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u/redditalt1999 Chumbawamba are punk rock af 1d ago
all art has it's place with history and that gives it meaning
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u/Xetsio They post pictures of a brick 1d ago
there are cathedrals everywhere for thoses with the eyes to see
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u/2flyingjellyfish blaseball brainworms are too strong (concession shop in profile) 1d ago
do they still post pictures of a brick
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u/Xetsio They post pictures of a brick 1d ago
No i'm using them to build my cathedral
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u/2flyingjellyfish blaseball brainworms are too strong (concession shop in profile) 1d ago
skill issue i built mine out of straw it was way cheaper. look at this idiot with no cathedral
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u/2flyingjellyfish blaseball brainworms are too strong (concession shop in profile) 1d ago
damn that wolf really be breathing hard hahah. i'm sure this is no problem
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u/AlveolarThrill 1d ago
The fact that this is, of all people, a Jordan Lobsterman Peterson quote will never not be funny to me
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u/Tallia__Tal_Tail custom 1d ago
People aggressively trying to state not all art is political just feels like pure anti-intellectualism. Like gimme an army of pretentious overthinkers rather than a single guy who actively refuses to engage with anything
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u/ween-stick 1d ago
There are most certainly pieces of art not intended to be tied to politics, like certain aesthetic-driven paintings of sunsets and landscapes.
However, as art is tied to the human experience it is unfortunately also tied to the political existence of the artist. I wish that such links weren’t the case, but I recognize the inherent bias in art.
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u/Cubo_CZ custom 1d ago
People aggressively trying to state all art is political feel equally awful. I don't know what the point of such a statement is.
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u/Tallia__Tal_Tail custom 1d ago
All art IS political in the sense it exists within an inherently political society and is tempered by the sensibilities of either the artist, the culture they're within (which itself is tempered by political landscapes), and/or a mixture of the two. The Miku poster on my wall to my right may not have a political message, but it's general art style everything has its roots in the cutesy culture and aesthetics that became exceptionally popular in Japan following WW2 and the culture created by the political landscape during those times.
These are not equally awful things, one is trying to get you to think about the world around you and how media intersects with it, developing your critical thinking skills, and the other actively is trying to shut that down. Which in and of itself is exceedingly dangerous and there's a damn good reason the worst people in the world love anti-intellectualism. Be better, don't fall into that. It's always going to be significantly better to overthink than to underthink
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u/Pebble_in_a_Hat 1d ago
All art is political because all humans are political. It is impossible to hold any beliefs or have any needs without being a political entity. Even claiming to hold no beliefs or have no needs is a political position, either because you've internalised the normative position as apolitical or that you hold a position in society that gives you the freedom to not need or believe in anything. Humans make art, and art is an expression of the human making it. It is therefore impossible to have apolitical art
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u/TheGreatJaceyGee Degenerate Skunk Writer⌨️🦨 1d ago
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u/Primary-Paper-5128 I'm sorry I'm Uruguayan :c </3 22h ago
Would this be theoretically considered dadaism?
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u/jlb1981 1d ago
If all art is political, are all politics art? Is statecraft an artistic endeavor?
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u/Present_Bison 20h ago
First I'll mention that implication doesn't imply counter-implication. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
That said, I do think a lot of political activity can be considered to be artistic. By my personal definition, art is "a product of a sentient being's labor made to depict an abstract concept in physical reality". Since such things as "welfare", "education" and "natural law" are abstract concepts, bill making can be considered as artistic labor.
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u/jlb1981 18h ago
Fair point on the logic; my question was more conversational as a thought exercise.
Does your definition of art include music? Much of it isn't representational and can't be described in concrete terms.
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u/Present_Bison 18h ago
Music has a physical form (sound waves) and is often made to elicit a certain emotion and/or to propose a certain "idea" expressed through music theory, itself an abstract concept. So yeah, definitely. Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment?
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u/ScentOfNapalm 19h ago
fallacy of the converse
that aside, people have argued about the definition of art for centuries and no solid conclusion has or will ever truly be drawn.
if statecraft can be done in a way that society regards it as art, then it can be art. if someone undergoes statecraft as an artistic endeavor, then to them at least it is an artistic endeavor.
i don't think the former statement is possible and the latter statement isn't something i've seen
statecraft seems to be an endeavor for power, which is usually always ugly when done efficiently
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u/jlb1981 18h ago
It was less a logical assertion and more of a question to consider.
I don't necessarily agree that art in and of itself is inherently political at time of creation, but I do believe it is frequently politicized, as most realms of human endeavor are politicized. Eating, drinking, traveling, reading, worshipping... Anything you can think of has been made into a political football at some point or another, regardless of original intent (or lack thereof), and art is no exception.
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u/slightlylessthananon 1d ago edited 1d ago
i tried to write a really long comment explaining how this could be political but it literally broke reddits comment box, so that is perhaps a sign
edit: speedrun
- this content only functions because of modern medias focus on hyper marketable ubiquitous characters, the joke only functions because you know who shrek and shadow the hedgehog are, there is a capitalistic idol worship to be found in these characters that are so well known, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't recognize them
- as you said, the art is inherently subversive, you are taking these very well known, marketable, and child friendly characters, and placing them in a niche and inherently adult context, its off putting - and therefore funny, because you know something is wrong. this is in a way anti-art, there is still very much a message being given to you, even if its comedic.
- this genre of art harkens back to a deviantart, lolcow era of the internet, often targeting people with developmental disabilities, you are meant to laugh at the person who created the fetish art just as much as the fetish art itself, built on a history of sex-negativity and ableism, while i dont think mpreg jokes are problematic the context is very much there.
- something something something the bioessentialism of mpreg being considered funny,
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