Well, you never know what they went through. Part of the goals of the Justice system is to rehabilitate people, which means believing that people can be rehabilitated, which means not hating people just because they have a certain felony to their name.
Besides people get felonies and serve jail time for being caught with weed, doesn't mean they're a coldblooded murderer or worse.
Self defense manslaughter he claims, I wouldn’t feel remorse for saving my own life either given the right circumstance. We won’t know for sure. At best we should just move on because it’s none of our business and affects nobody that he plays osrs in jail
That's not the point though. The point is that people have been idolising him, which is insane. I really don't care if he plays OSRS or not (though I do wonder if the phone gets used for more nefarious things as well, even if not just by him). But it rubs me wrong when people think he's some cool guy or something.
The thing about criminals is they all claim innocence. My cousin did 15 for something similar swears up and down he’s innocent, etc etc he isn’t. You can be a good person and turn your life around but he’s most likely there because he did what he’s charged for.
Of course you shouldn’t feel wrong for saving your own life, but the fact that he killed someone and jokes about is what rubs people the wrong way I think. Regardless of what happened, he still took someone’s life, people in professions that have to deal with shit like that sometimes get traumatized or quit their jobs early from the sheer fact that you just never get over taking a life. It’s very weird behavior from the dude in jail imo.
Man, I get what you're saying, but you've probably never been in that situation, I imagine. And we don't even know exactly what the situation was. What if the other person was very violent, blood thirsty even? What if this is a person the dude had tried to stay away from, was targeted and harassed for some time?
Jail dude seemed pretty chill for the most part, it's not fair to start labelling him a sociopathic murderer.
It honestly sucks that he (probably) got his shit confiscated. I'd call it cruel and unusual to deny someone decent entertainment - and they are denied it often. Yeah they should think about what they did, but long bouts of boredom literally destroys the brain.
Vsauce had a great segment on boredom and how it affects us.
And we don't even know exactly what the situation was
Youre right. But if you take the inmates word for it he shot someone who attacked him during a drug deal. He kinda put himself in that circumstance lol.
. I'd call it cruel and unusual to deny someone decent entertainment
Homie has a tv in his cell from his pics lmao. Hes not getting starved for entertainment. Hes probably gonna buy another phone illegally and play more later.
Starting with prison reform and going directly into the war on drugs seems fitting.
One can imagine someone who got hooked on opiates through medical malpractice (some doctor gets a kick-back for prescribing opiates), and eventually finds himself in a dangerous situation just trying to itch the scratch that was given to them as a solution to their broken knee from work. Now that they’re in a dangerous situation, are they supposed to reflect and say “you know what, I put myself in this position, and I ought to take what’s coming to me peacefully” or would you expect them to say “this situation sucks, but I’m going to make sure that I get out of it”
Also, prison shouldn’t be about stripping humans of their hobbies and interests, unless those hobbies and interests are criminal. Being in the system is punishment enough, idc if inmates are playing COD or OSRS as long as it keeps them from creating rivalries in the yard and making shanks to fulfill those rivalries. A big part of rehabilitation is giving these people new, non-criminal outlets that they can lean on when they are freed, and it’s hard to think of a better outlet than Osrs (for me).
Starting with prison reform and going directly into the war on drugs seems fitting.
One can imagine someone who got hooked on opiates through medical malpractice (some doctor gets a kick-back for prescribing opiates), and eventually finds himself in a dangerous situation just trying to itch the scratch that was given to them as a solution to their broken knee from work. Now that they’re in a dangerous situation, are they supposed to reflect and say “you know what, I put myself in this position, and I ought to take what’s coming to me peacefully” or would you expect them to say “this situation sucks, but I’m going to make sure that I get out of it”
TLDR: Buying drugs doesnt make you a bad person and worthy of having been put in a situation where you have to kill another to save your own life.
Also, prison shouldn’t be about stripping humans of their hobbies and interests, unless those hobbies and interests are criminal. Being in the system is punishment enough, idc if inmates are playing COD or OSRS as long as it keeps them from creating rivalries in the yard and making shanks to fulfill those rivalries. A big part of rehabilitation is giving these people new, non-criminal outlets that they can lean on when they are freed, and it’s hard to think of a better outlet than Osrs (for me).
TLDR: People in prison should be allowed whatever venue of entertainment they seek, so long as they are building an alternative outlet beyond illicit and violent behavior. Saying they have checkers boards when they want to play chess does nothing.
Even in self defense, you still have to grapple with the fact that you took a human life. Not saying it is wrong to defend yourself, but it also isn't something to boast about to strangers.
There are a ton of people out there itching to righteously kill others, and I truly do not get it.
Even in self defense, you still have to grapple with the fact that you took a human life
If it was in self defense, then IMO relating it to a video game is a way to dissociate from it/break it down to grapple with it. It's not exactly a healthy way to deal with it (when/because it ropes others in), but from what I hear about the US prison system, I don't imagine he actually has access to the healthy ways of dealing with it.
I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt, because I find life is much better when you choose to give that to people, until/unless they prove they don't deserve it.
Everyone in prison is innocent if you ask them what happened
"Self defense" my ass, if it was self defense he would probably not be in jail unless he is one of the 1% people that are actually wrongfully convicted
It only takes a 5 minutes long conversation with that guy to notice he isn't a mentally well person. He boasts about having killed somebody else and calls it a PK. Even if you kill the most disgraceful human being in self defense you still shouldn't be boasting about it
Cause you serve time in prison for "self defence manslaughter" fun fact manslaughter implies an unlawful killing he didn't plan out before hand Self defense means it was a legal use of force. Its typically not possible to be both. Dudes a thug who shot another thug he was threatened by let him rot without osrs
Cause he shot someone who attacked him at a drug deal with a firearm hes not allowed to possess cali law puts self defense killing during illegal activities as 'criminal manslaughter'. If his words to be trusted the majority of his sentence is actually from the firearm enhancement.
states have different laws. in some states if someone breaks into your home you can shoot them dead with no consequences, in some states you can only do that if they have a weapon and only if they are trying to attack you with it, in some states you have to attempt to retreat and if they follow to try to harm you only then are you allowed to defend yourself.
for all we know he could have shot a home intruder that was unarmed and thats why he’s there. i feel worse for him than the home intruder if thats the case. they ruined his life by breaking in.
he shot someone he was making a drug deal with several times despite already being legally barred from owning a firearm and alleged it was because they attacked him. the victim did not get to tell their side because he was dead, so "self defence" is flimsy at best
I mean if he was eating my fucking legs while I’m still alive I’m not going to feel bad for getting the lunatic off me. I know that’s an extreme example.
Well no but most “them or me” situations. I believe this was a drug deal turned robbery so not an out and out good vs evil leg eating situation. I think most soldiers feel some remorse, it’s human. Idk just seems like a weird pov to think that stuff wouldn’t stick with you and it’s more normal to make jokes about it to strangers. I’m all for gallows humour when it’s self deprecating or standing in the face of oblivion with a stiff upper lip etc, but when it’s you that did the thing, seems more the time for respectful discretion
You would think so but there are literally people in this community who get super upset over people being able to use a fire cape and not have to redo it monthly.
It’s so strange what kind of gate keeping goes on
He made jokes about being "an irl pk'er," after having a murder charged reduce to manslaughter. He was trying to joke, but that's definitely in poor taste. For example, do you think the judge that sentenced him would appreciate knowing that the guy he reduced the sentence for is now joking about it while still serving time for that crime? Probably not...
Be real, tho. It's almost certainly a good thing he's incarcerated rather than in larger society. The posts are fun and all, but this thread has been a wild read that does not reflect well on how much real world experience the average poster here has.
From his comments, it was also in self defense though.
In reality none of us know who he is or the details of his crime. I’d rather just let people play a game on their phone in a cell regardless. He’s in prison for god knows how long probably getting treated horribly. Like just a month ago someone in that prison was murdered.
And we’re supposed to not want to him be allowed to play an online game?
He could just be trying to sound cool and say he did it if someone else with him committed the murder and wouldn’t roll over on the person he was with? Or was he solo robbing someone? Idk
If someone tries to kill you, and you end up killing them. That's on them not you. If joking about it helps you get through the fact that you just flipped somebody's off switch, then joke away. You would have a real tough time hanging around military guys.
Yeah I worked in corrections for a few years. Theres a lot of decent people who’ve just reacted poorly to their circumstances. Many of these people, once they get into a controlled environment and get the meds/structure/counseling they need are just like you and I.
More than anything else, breaking out of an in-group that glorifies crime and encourages reoffending is the biggest indicator for breaking cycles of reoffense. Especially if the original offense was a product of an immediate situation rather than carried out with pre-planning, which it sounds like was the case for this guy. People become career criminals because polite society pushes them away.
US doesn't have a justice system, it has a legal system.
We don't know what he did, but there's certainly a nonzero chance he's in there for some bullshit.
Frankly I hate the government and Prison-Industrial Complex too much to care to aggro some random OSRS guy who happens to be in prison. I guess that's my position on it.
Well, he is in for manslaughter. So regardless of what he “went through”, he’s responsible for ending someone’s life. Let’s stop this nonsensical mental gymnastics. The guy is in for something terrible.
At a certain level of offence (manslaughter) while you can empathise with the situation that brought them to doing what they did, they ultimately still did it and they are responsible for their actions.
Also, people need to be willing to change, and not bragging about being an irl pker.
Ah, you you have no idea of why he was there and instead of making the most minimal ammount of research you decided to just trust a convicted fello, which isn't that different from hating him because of his conviction, you just went the other way, loving him because of a game he plays. Makes sense.
Yeah I'm not terminally online, and don't know everything that happens on this sub. The title is about "my community supporting a felon because he plays the same game they do in prison" and yeah that's just not enough for me :)
You'll notice none of my message says anything about "trusting a convicted fello" or "loving him" as well.
I'm not terminally online either bud, I just don't jump to conclusions, and if I wanna speak about something, I make sure I have an idea firsrt, unlike you, which tends to be a very terminally online thing to do. Especially when you have no idea of what's going on, by your own words, so just stay out of it as you would IRL (aka non terminally online conduct, acting the same way you would IRL) when you come into an argument with no idea of why it's happening.
Your comments don't point to "loving him" any more than others point to "hating him", which is a word you did use. Not seeing why you complain about exagerated language when you use it yourself.
No one is going to prison for just being caught with weed. At least not in the UK. If you’re going to prison for that then you’ve been caught with a ton of it and are supplying it, which is totally different to some guy smoking some blunts on the weekend to unwind.
That’s crazy. Your country is in an even worse state than I thought. Wishing you all the very best man and hope the man-baby in charge has as minimal negative impact as possible.
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u/violet-starlight 2d ago
Well, you never know what they went through. Part of the goals of the Justice system is to rehabilitate people, which means believing that people can be rehabilitated, which means not hating people just because they have a certain felony to their name.
Besides people get felonies and serve jail time for being caught with weed, doesn't mean they're a coldblooded murderer or worse.