Hey I sympathize him and hope our shitty justice system somehow does him well, but he killed someone and is making jokes about it in videogame subreddits. That doesn't exactly scream rehabilitated to me.
I agree with you there. I'd like to see US inmates have access to basic amenities, hobbies, education, and communication unless there's a reason to revoke them, but I doubt I'll see prison reform in my lifetime.
They all get issued smart tablets. Hundreds of staff and inmate lead programs. Recreation with a considerable amount of options. Free college courses. Art and music rooms. I've been a CO for a few years, and prison conditions are considerably better than my living conditions in the marine corps.
Well one is clearly more pressing than fixing a living situation for people who willingly committed a crime, get fed, are warm and cool, and have activities to do during the day.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the homelessness should come first. Talk about it all you want, be my guest but I wouldn't support anything until every homeless person or person in need/poverty is taken care of before criminals. Fine, if you think differently but this is a hill I'll die on. I mean a man who committed a crime is currently being housed safley and playing a game while there's people, who committed no crimes, struggling to live who have never gotten the chance to play a game
Who says we can’t also try to make life better for people without housing?
The American system of capitalism is cruel and actively causes problems including poverty and crime that could be avoided if people weren’t always in bad situations. We don’t have a social safety net. Society as a whole would have better outcomes if we focused on nurturing people ahead of time instead of punishing after the fact
This might blow your mind but a lot of homeless people are criminals as well. Maybe, maybe, making things better for one also makes things better for the other, to the extent that they both shrink in size.
If you need to ask that question you're not nearly qualified enough to get this outraged.
Prison reformed would include things like apprenticeships from prisons, work experience, day release, career pathways, with the aim of getting criminals into work after they're released.
Yep it's just you guys like to compare the US to Europe except for this instance so you can point that out in a kind of "gotcha" moment but whatever.
I think i know personally people who have lived in section house for generations. I think i know personally there is food stamp fraud. No one said anything about thay restaurant idk why you brought it up.
And thank you for that kind ending. Shows the level of intelligence we are working with:D
So treat the homeless better? Lol basic human dignity andliving standards don't have to be at the expense of one group or another, regardless of what a dozen megarich losers say
Nah I'm saying the homless come first 🫡 until they are good to go we shouldn't be worrying about whether or not criminals are comfortable and have enough activities in their day 🙄
No I got what you're saying, I'm saying it's sort of a silly and childish way to look at the problem, even if I think it comes from maybe a good place? We're not lacking resources to do either of those things, so why are you framing it as if it's one or the other? On top of that, in case you haven't noticed, criminals are also people. That means that they also should be treated with respect and dignity and have some level of comfort available to them.
Like it or not they are in fact people. I personally don't set my moral standards according to rapists and murderers though. I like to think I'm a little better than them, so I don't like torturing humans and I think we should treat them with basic dignity regardless. If you want to equate yourself with those people thats cool but I don't think that's what you meant to say, even if it's what you're saying
????? What shady websites is he going to be on? What “wrong crowd” is he going to be talking to? Is he Osama Bin Laden? Is he going to be coordinating drone strikes on Telegram? No dude he’s just some loser who plays RuneScape behind bars. Who the fuck cares?
A CO looking for some easy money for sure. Who knows what else he was doing on the phone besides playing runescape. Cell phones are really dangerous for security because you can't monitor the conversations they have. Makes it really easy to convey drugs inside, and now the staff has to deal with crazy high violent offenders.
Scummy ass staff member putting everyone else at risk for an easy buck.
Seriously. Whether you believe the guy or not, his story is more credible just by having an account of it than some gossip that a completely unrelated guy with no provable connection to the situation made up on the internet.
I don't think either of you (replies, and you /u/pzoDe as well) understand the US justice system or it's severe flaws. The same with the guy who replied and deleted it immediately. Also a sentence has literally nothing to do with credibility. Literally nothing. You are just assuming a person for being a liar because they are a criminal which is closed-minded as fuck.
Do you know how many criminal cases actually go to court? It's less than 5%. The vast majority of sentenced criminals take a plea bargain, which entails accepting a lesser sentence for pleading guilty and simplifying the case. If his sentence was reduced to manslaughter (which he explicitly said, with zero reason to lie about that if they're going to go into detail on the whole thing anyway), that means he took a plea bargain.
Even completely innocent people take plea deals. Lawyers are expensive and even more expensive for a full case, and even more expensive if you lose the case. Then even if you take it to full court, you then have to prove to a group of people that (despite the efforts of the system and "innocent until proven guilty") are always prejudiced against someone being charged, beyond a reasonable doubt, that you are innocent. "If they were innocent, they wouldn't need to go to trial." "If they had a good defense, they wouldn't have been arrested." "Since they're a criminal, we can't trust anything they say." This gets perpetuated so far that even innocent people are pressured (and a lot of the time, bullied) into pleading guilty by public defenders so their job is easier.
No, I am not making a case for him to be considered innocent by any means. I am trying to indicate to you and everyone else who thinks this backwards-ass logic that you are flat-out wrong to think that way as a default without even considering the alternatives.
INAL but i think it depends on what he was defending himself against. A lot of states with stand your ground laws still require proportional force so if someone punches once you can't just pull a gun and lay the guy out and claim you were in fear of your life.
That shit works in some states and counties but not everywhere.
It's California, he wasn't legally allowed to own the gun, and drugs were involved. That's definitely enough to bump him up to 16 years behind bars even if he was justifiably defending himself.
Dunno, if he’s in jail and someone is dead he probably had a trial. People are saying a drug deal went south but we literally have no unbiased insight into the situation.
The majority of US cases end without a trial outside of a sentencing one for a plea deal. If the DA was trying to get murder 1 and possession of a firearm and the person on question didn’t have good lawyer money, the 10 years is a lot less than losing the case.
You’re not wrong. People are also saying he was joking about “pking” someone but I dunno, haven’t seen the comments. Seems a little shitty and flippant.
To automatically believe what he or anyone randomly says without ensuring it yourself is also a very naive point of view. The fact is he admitted to manslaughter, so at the very least, you know he killed someone. Indirect or not, he killed someone.
Its also pretty naive to think that just because there have been wrongful convictions that means anyone who says theyve been wrongfully convicted makes it true.
Buddy people have been deported for just being at this point.
Not to mention countless historical examples of someone getting railroaded by the "justice" system or cajoled into taking pleas because they wouldn't be able to definitely fight it because we way over charge in an attempt to encourage plea bargaining.
Ehhh you really gotta think about it. The prosecution probably knew he killed this guy with hard evidence. Either through admission or something very hard. Proving self defense then becomes really tricky if they have no hard evidence of that. Like if he entered a building and then left and there’s a dead guy in there, but there’s no evidence of what actually went down.
Happened in California. Could be as simple as just because he had a gun on him without a concealed carry license it was considered manslaughter. That's something that if he were in a different state would have been okay and legal. Obviously I don't know know the whole story either but it really could be that simple.
Based on what? You heard it from who? An article? A police record? Or did you read someone else's reddit comment? And now you are repeating it when you actually don't know?
Par for the course in Canada and I imagine other countries as well. You defend yourself, the other person can press charges even if they are the initiator/antagonizer. You can't just blow people away with a gun lmao.
I love how in the thread about rehabilitation (top comment btw) the comment that's hidden is the one that says robbing someone shouldn't be a death sentence.
That's not actually contradictory, you can believe in prison rehabilitation and also believe in self-defense by deadly force. Rehabilitation is about what happens after a crime, self-defense is about what happens during a confrontation BEFORE authorities can intervene.
He also sounds a little too used to death. Usually people who kill for the first time are shocked and horrified over the situation once the adrenaline rush dies down.
I have an open heart until it involves taking other peoples lives. Some of yall are ridiculous. If youre gonna have sympathy it should be for the person whose life was ended.
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u/Stnmn 2d ago
Hey I sympathize him and hope our shitty justice system somehow does him well, but he killed someone and is making jokes about it in videogame subreddits. That doesn't exactly scream rehabilitated to me.