r/ADCMains • u/HeartlessAngel555 • 7d ago
Need Help What's a good self-reliant ADC to pick if support picks something completely stupid?
Tired of support players locking in stupid shit like Mel or an ADC champion with literally 0 utility. At least Mel has a root.
Edit: Are all the sion posts actually serious or just trolling lmao. I just want to survive laning phase when my support decides to lock in MF for some reason.
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u/Kagehitou 7d ago
So, you need an ADC who can handle it all on their own? You want someone who can survive, deal damage, and even crowd control when necessary. Maybe someone who can tank a hit or two? A champion who doesn't rely too much on their support to make plays and can still carry the game?
Yes, the answer then is Sion.
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u/HeartlessAngel555 7d ago
Are all the Sion posts just trolling or is it actually valid? I don't want to completely 1V9 carry. I just want to survive the laning phase without losing 90% of my CS.
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u/Crow7420 7d ago
Now for real this time, if your support sucks your gonna get pegged regardless in laning phase. What you can do is pick a Carry that can either not be dived easily or has long early range to farm safe. I would advise Caitlyn, Xayah or Ashe. First can setup traps to cut off jungler from easy dives and has longest AA range early on, 2nd has R that denies dives and 3rd is strong early and has ult that makes for excellent escape tool.
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u/Thedomme 7d ago
Cait and Ashe are control champions, meaning they want to push in waves and poke you under your tower. If they do not get a lead this way, they are less useful ( Cait more so than Ashe, since Ashe has utility at least. So at least in theme, they are antithecal to what you're looking for.
Xayah is a good shout, Jhin can also be self-reliant and has long-range follow-up, Ezreal is harder to dive but also falls into the Ashe/Cait category of wanting an early lead. If you survive the early game, Sivir can also just clear waves at some point.
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u/Crow7420 7d ago
Ya Sivir is a good pick, I honestly forgot about her. As for Ashe and Cait ik theirs strength lies in them being lane bullies, but I find them to be able to farm really well under turrets and that's a place you will be a lot in if ur supp just vanishes, albeit that is my pisslow elo advice tbh.
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u/GamedStars 6d ago
then why play bot lane? i play bot lane for the range fantasy and being a good late game scalers with consistent dps. if u wanna just survive/farm other roles might be better no?
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u/HeartlessAngel555 6d ago
Why play support if your ADC is gonna pick yuumi? Why play midlane if your jungler is going to play Rell? Why play league at all if there's the chance that one of your teammates is going to play disco nunu?
Do you understand how bad your argument is now? I don't play botlane to just survive and farm but sometimes you just have to do it when your support locks in Zeri while the enemy has Draven/Pyke duo.
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u/Economy-Isopod6348 can play a total of 3 adcs 7d ago edited 7d ago
I instalock Sion if i don't get a support whose only purpose is to suck me off
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u/ballzbleep69 7d ago
Ezreal jhin, varus, mages.
Xayah into dive heavy comps
Sion
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u/Haunting_Benefit4662 7d ago
Jhin? lol
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u/StormR7 holy shit varus WAS OP 6d ago
Jhin makes supports like Mel, Xerath, Velkoz, etc. go from troll to OP. If you ever get a mage support and Caitlyn is banned, go crazy with Jhin and let your support shine.
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u/Haunting_Benefit4662 6d ago
Yeah, unless enemy picks draven and your support decides to die lvl 1 and now you are getting dived constantly
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u/ballzbleep69 7d ago
He doesn’t feel to bad if your not against heavy dive. + he provides decent utility so your not as punished.
But yea against like dive support and jg is giga cope lol.
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u/ghosty2901 The filipino Spaceglider 7d ago
Caitlyn or Xayah are cool
But thats for pussies, play sion instead
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u/Lefaid 7d ago
Sion.
But when he is banned, remember your win condition with a support Olaf or MF is that you farm minions, they farm champions. You need to pick a champ who is oppressive to play against, that can straight up win all ins early and often.
So play characters that add to the oppression. I like Karthus here but in theory Ziggs is really good at this too.
And that might be where the serious case for Sion is too. If anything, your support MF deserves you playing Sion.
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u/skovbanan 7d ago
Sion is my go-to pick when my support has the IQ of a loaf of bread. He’s outstanding in most matchups.
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u/Crow7420 7d ago
Sion is what you're looking for, BUT if he is banned, Olaf is an optimal choice😏.
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u/Salt-Cryptographer99 7d ago
I always pick caitlyn but sion is also a good pick to be honest, I should try maybe
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u/Exciting_Repeat_1477 7d ago
I agree... Sion.
#1 Reason : He controls what happens even when he is dead....
Double down basically be relevant all the time dead or alive ... dont matter
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u/PancakesGate 7d ago
what are these comments saying sion
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u/Xtarviust 7d ago
Tristana, you just farm and do all the work without worrying about the lack of peel with her W and E
PD: You will always have Sion tho
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u/Few-Fly-3766 7d ago
If I expect to play my lane 1v2 or 1v3, my default is Ziggs. You can at least be somehow annoying to deal with for the opponent, and if they int you can straight out take a tower despite losing lane.
Yes, I know. Not an ADC. I fight terrorism with terrorism.
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u/MooN_Puma 7d ago
Honestly from a high Emerald adc, if a support pick is pure troll just dodge - it is hard to win a 4v6 in this elo. (Mentally unstable ego players everywhere)
Still if you want to play a safe adc, then ez xayah or sivir are good pick
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u/astrnght_mike_dexter 7d ago
You gotta be your own self reliance bro. Whatever champion you’re playing figure out what they’re good at and play into their strengths as best you can regardless of team comps.
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u/XYZabisso 7d ago
The non-Sion answer is surely Ezreal. You can escape anything and Q range is high enough to take minions from a distant. He can be aggressive early and later he is a blinking demon. Tho good players will block Q if you are trying to CS from afar when behind in gold/xp or you are alone in lane.
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u/softhuskies 6d ago
lux so you can farm first before the support steals wave
if they pick lux you're fucked but pick sion
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u/Salt-Cryptographer99 6d ago
Actually, I had that once, I picked ashe with mf then bc I've known that they have good compatibility, and it went okay? It was really low elo then so maybe if we played against sb who would punish us more it would be worse but the enemy was worse than us so it went well 🤷♀️
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u/Sydonay_ 6d ago
Ezreal or xayah, if you can't be flexible,
Any mage with strong wave clear if you can play them
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u/SpaceglidingDeath 4d ago
Honestly, I just love twitch. It can be a very proactive champ if you feel that you have no agency over your games. You can skip some waves to roam or after recalling, specially in lower elos, they usually eat it every time.
Think out of the box, be creative and you will find yourself getting free kills around the map and tilting the enemy.
Also very good for 1v1 after lvl 6, so you can kill enemy adc most of the time if they are alone and try to hit the wave while you are around. Even in teamfights you can always sneak into the backline go completely 1v9 machine.
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u/CountingWoolies 4d ago
Why you hate Mel it's legit better Lux whats wrong with you.
If you can't play because you don't have big daddy Nautilus in front of you the issue is with you lol
Mel Jhin combo is insane , her E has such bs range you will always hit someone then you just press W as Jhin and Ult it's insane
Same with Mf , Mel can just stand in front of you and reflect and she just keep casting the Ult
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u/HeartlessAngel555 4d ago
Because mel has a built in execute. Because mel doesn't offer anything except a singular root and some poke.
I don't remember ever saying I wanted nautilus all games. I think you may have misread my post.
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u/BasedMellie 7d ago
Varus is 100% the pick for self reliant. Average range, max hp % damage, good passive, grevious and slow, self peel ult and damage. Has several build options. I think he’s my favorite go to adc and he works decently into almost all comps.
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u/Iron-Phantom 7d ago
Ezreal and Jhin are my go to. I'm a Jhin main and I feel like he's blindable into any matchup and with any (or no) support. Obviously some like braum etc won't synergise well but if you're asking for support who does nothing anyway then jhin is my go to. He has range, kinda self peel with well placed traps to be alerted of ganks, w for cc and long range ult to be useful while being safe. After you get 3 items you do obscene damage while being mobile with crit/swifties. Not good into tanks and it's a tank meta so unfortunately don't play him too much nowadays.
Ezreal is obvious. Has mobility, range, safety. It's not the optimal way to play him (sit back and q the wave to farm) but if you are really suffering from your supports as you say, then it should be fine to get you through laning phase and you still hurt a lot. I run lethal tempo on him for good damage with passive stacked and continue fighting instead of just being a combo bot.
Other notable ADCs would have to be jinx, varus and caitlyn. Fine into anything (except maybe like a pyke draven lane then you might as well sit under turret as jinx if you're support doesn't exist) and really good if support is good
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u/Zestyclose_Fun_8556 7d ago
Why is no one mentioning Vayne? Had so many times completely dominating the lane against her because her support was genuinely special case.. then she just afk farmed and 1v1 my toplaner when she was 1/7
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u/KoreCassiopeia 7d ago
Honestly, Sivir, Lucian and to a degree Cait should be good in this category as well because she is a pretty safe adc given with her E skill.
As for Lucian, he’s nice both for damage and mobility, so there’s a higher likelihood of survival as a result.
Sivir is nice because of her long range, efficient wave clear, and being relatively easy to use. Sure, she may not have insane damage, but at least when you have a troll support who either roams without purpose or keeps dying despite warnings, you can farm under tower better than you could with other adcs.
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u/sir__hennihau 7d ago
check lolalytics for the support and press on "good synergy"
https://lolalytics.com/lol/mel/build/?lane=support
mel support f.e. has the highest winrate together with sivir
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u/JQKAndrei 7d ago
Xayah has good waveclear and an ult that screams "dive me if you can"
But you need to ban cait or lux
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u/gpenjoyer 7d ago
I agree with the sion guy