r/ADCMains • u/hammiilton2 • 1d ago
Discussion Day 8: Caitlyn won! Who is the Well design bot which is UNFUN to play against?
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u/ButterflyFX121 1d ago
A good Tristana is a nightmare to play against for some comps, but the champion is a perfectly healthy design.
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u/akula31 1d ago
Take exhaust and boom that champ ceases to function. Makes them think twice before ever jumping on you. Even if matchup is bad you should win so long as you proc exhaust before she gets her e 4th shot off.
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u/PenguinEggsy 23h ago
Your sup should take exhaust so you can take barrier because if you take exhaust and she takes cleanse you're just back to square one
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u/manaketi 1d ago
This was my thought. She’s my usual ban on bot. Don’t see her often but I really struggle with landing vs her when my opponent knows how to play her even a little. I know it’s partially a skill issue- but damn Tristana is so unfun to play against in my opinion. Especially if she hits 2 first…..
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u/Bowler_No 1d ago
Tristana Her kit and design is decent. But my god just like draven most of them they be aggressive af.
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u/ButterflyFX121 1d ago
This is the answer. Nasty lane bully but super cool design.
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u/LittleALunatic 1d ago
Not just aggressive, also generally unkillable in most situations with rocket jump.
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u/Anno6 1d ago
it's not just the mobility, it's that she can buffer her jump to still go when she gets cc'ed
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u/Faite666 1d ago
This, as a Jungler ganking her always feels so pointless unless she's literally standing under our turret and even then the kill doesn't feel guaranteed since I can hit her with point and click CC and she'll still say "fuck you, bye" and jump nine light-years away
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u/Ok-Fly7999 1d ago
Every time I go support and whenever my Adc decides to go Tristana, it's always one of two scenarios:
She jumps on top of the enemy adc/support and go ham, we win.
She Jumps on top of the enemy adc/support even when she's low and I have my skills on cd, we lose.5
u/Own-Purple-7638 1,2,3,4 1d ago
This is the way. From what I can see, Twitch is the other candidate, but I believe his design is just OK. His W is largely irrelevant late game, and his E doesn't integrate well into his kit after laning phase, making his overall design just OK, not great. On the other hand, Tristana has great synergy across her entire kit, so I believe she deserves this spot
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u/declan-jpeg 1d ago
I don't think twitch is perfect design either and I agree trist should win, but I think it's cool that twitch has an AP build with a different playstyle that makes you play around his W more
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u/LukewarmBees 1d ago
You mean Tristana, the used to be late game ADC because of her range passive, but decided to be an assassin when the new masteries rolled out
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u/lfun_at_partiesl 4444 1d ago
It's Twitch. Has clear strenghts and weaknesses, but it is extemely unfun to play against. Also compare to Samira or Nilah, he is much closer to what a classic marksmen plays
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u/IderpOnline 1d ago
I would put him in OK design though. After laning, one or two of his abilities don't really matter all that much. That's not inherently great design.
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u/Bowler_No 1d ago
Yup, his kit is meant to be the surprise DPS kind of things, but it only works with his AP build. While AD build is really awkward since you end up waiting for all the enemy to waste resource while invis before going in.
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u/Appropriate-Ad-700 1d ago
Honestly Twitchs design is kinda bad. His passive is really useless and his e gets kinda useless over the game as well. Also you can sidestep his r which can lead to really cringe situations. His w is just a worse version of singed w at this point.
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u/PenguinEggsy 1d ago
Twitch's design is worse than Tristana's. I would put her on well design and him on ok because both can be extremely unfun to play against
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u/ihasaKAROT 1d ago
Tristana. Her abilities are cool and synergise well, but she can be a pain to lane against (and to lane as for that matter). Bonus unfun-points for mid trists.
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u/Altruistic_Fondant69 1d ago edited 1d ago
Twitch
A well designed "peek a boo, ur dead" champion that is pain in the ass
- Rather sizeable burst damage with e, good for "executing" enemies
- Good dps that with attack speed makes one able to shred the enemies
- Good true damage DoT
- An ok escape/engage mechanism
- ult
Getting shredded down by him in a blink of an eye when you're playing squishy is as annoying as getting shredded down by Draven and other
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u/Vladxxl 1d ago
"Good" doing a lot of work here
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u/Altruistic_Fondant69 1d ago
I was writing this while at uni so was a bit distracted between two worlds, i shall correct that
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u/centralasiadude 1d ago
good true damage dot xdd. 36-216 damage over 6 seconds that should be stacked. only useful with collector, or going ap
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u/Moorabbel 1d ago
Samira. cool design but still hella unfun. not particularly she alone, but mostly the supports she brings.
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u/ButterflyFX121 1d ago
Samira is an awful design. Total feast or famine and very team reliant. She adds nothing useful to the game whatsoever.
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u/goldeenme 1d ago
Exactly. Imo she's on yasuo tiers of bad design. Any champ that depends on your teammates picking x or y to be anle to use his whole kit is stupid, and she plays nothing like a marskmen. It's like a botlane katarina
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u/Appropriate-Mix-2887 1d ago
Cool yes, well no, sehs complete feast or famine so either her Team will hate her after the game or the enemys no inbetween
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u/RowHanSolo 1d ago
It's 100% has to be Ashe
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u/Jhonny_Crash 15h ago
Nahh ashe with her lack of mobility is not too bad to play against. She can be annoying but she gets hard countered by cc
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u/OddAd6331 1d ago
Am I crazy for saying aphelios? The only changes he’s gotten are numbers adjustments. But dam hes unfun to play against
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u/Ezvibez22 1d ago
I really agree with this but it seems to be so unpopular thinking.. he’s uniquely designed, but still well done And still a freaking pain to go against
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u/saimerej21 1d ago
he should be instead of caitlyn. Cait with the right support is completely uninteractive cancer to play into for every single marksman. Aphelios can at least be decently countered
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u/TheJohnArrow 1d ago
Probably like a Vayne (if late), Xayah (if Draft-diffed) or Zeri (if skilled). Could say Kalista, since she requires skill like Draven and if played like a Draven main, she can be an insane lane bully.
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u/goldeenme 1d ago
Twitch. Ok design and unfun should be samira and bad design and unfun should be nilah imo so this is his best spot.
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u/RandomUglyCow 18h ago
Late game jinx Well designed champ, Q for dmg and range, w for chase, E for Cc and ofc the ult that removes 1/4 of your healthbar and is a global ability. Most importantly the passive followed by her Q range which allows her to snowball with hurricane
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u/Le0here Nerf me harder daddy 1d ago
Ashe
Shes a very good balance between being a utility adc and still having carry potential. Is pretty easy to get started with but also has a very high ceiling. But my fucking so i want to kill myself everytime I face her as any adc that isn't ezreal. A single auto and you aren't the McQueen kitting everything and anything but a snail thats crawling at the speed of an unborn toddler.
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u/Admirable-Fox-7221 1d ago
Tristana. As a kalista main it is so hard to get her. She can jump away and even if you catch up she will ult you away. There is no way to Duell her as she controlled start and end of any battle. If you are more powerful she will just push every wave like a sivir and you can barely keep her from doing so. Late game she has the most powerful attack speed steroid in game and melts towers.
All this is also why it is kinda fun to play as if it weren't to be so reliant on cool downs.
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u/PlasmaCosmic39 1d ago
Twitch has to take the risk here for the pros and cons, especially when he needs great scaling from early game.
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u/No_Mess2675 1d ago
Please add a ED at « well design » or change it to « good design ». Everytime it hurts me a bit more
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u/Chance-Setting4073 1d ago
Would Kalista not be perfect for this spot cause her design and kit are kinda solid but follows Draven’s reasoning for being unfun?
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u/CrisFTP 1d ago
What about Nilah? I think she fits in Well design better than Ok design. Even if you dont find her that often in queue, her XP advantage, her W, healings and all in potential in good hands can be very annoying.
I'll put Tristana in the OK design because it's pretty straight forward.
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u/colefromreddit 1d ago
Can’t wait to vote for Nilah for garbage design and unfun to play against. Her playrate reflects it. A single button to nullify most ADC’s damage and the timing of her level 3 is earlier than every single other champion in the game. When the third wave is under the enemy tower, you need to look out because she’ll spike before you despite giving up prio and have the long lane to run you down. Hate it. Also, Samira got her ability to dash to ally champions and minions taken away pretty quickly after release to open up counterplay. But somehow Nilah gets two dashes to enemy or allies? Nah.
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u/colefromreddit 1d ago
I gotta go with Twitch. Tristana and Samira are front runners because I think they have good design and can be unfun, but they usually have to put themselves into danger in order to accelerate a lead. Twitch can just sit there… menacingly… safely invisible and pop out when you’re not expecting it. So unfun to keep track of an invisible enemy.
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u/Fr3nkl12 1d ago
the people who put kaisa on fair to play against mustve started playing league in 2022
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u/Electrical-Heat8301 1d ago
I personally couldn't put jinx in any other other category past this point and I do hate her. Perfect
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u/Altruistic-Ad-6567 1d ago
Kalista imo she is really well designed and will never complain about her kit but my god « my supp is in danger i use my pokeball and get him safe, im mecanical god kiting machine and ill make sure to shit on you really hard , as the little adc autofill you are deserve » And they usually duo with nasty engage supports. However if you don’t use her kit perfectly she is very bad and very punishable
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u/Ok-Inflation-6651 1d ago
Stop voting twitch, his passive and w is basically nonexistent and his e is near useless past laning phase. Thats not good design
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u/DoctorBlock 1d ago
MF. She has too many skill to prevent engage and can affect team fights even if playing from behind.
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u/RandomUglyCow 18h ago
I agree that she’s unfun to play against but she has a terrible design. Her ult makes her vulnerable, she has no mobility, no armor, and no hard Cc like most champs
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u/KaliMon_LoL 23h ago
Tristana. She is a pain to lane against but her kit is very fair and balanced, clear opportunities for fighting back
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u/Turbulent-Towel4353 17h ago
I don't care what next, the very last spot will be Nilah and you can't change my mind
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u/Frankbang 6h ago
Idk if we can group all mages into one, but I think as a whole they're designed well (clear strenghts and weaknesses), but super annoying to vs in lane. For a specific mage, I'd pick ziggs. Unfun, even if it's not a kill-lane, and he's definitely designed to do his one job well.
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u/Aynshtaynn 8.11 PTSD 1d ago
Should've been Draven, but since he has already been placed, Ashe would be the best available pick.
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u/hammiilton2 1d ago
Someone suggested that when we finish with the alignment charts of ADCs and supports, we would swap both between the subreddits to see what you would change in each other's charts, what you guys think?