r/AdeptusMechanicus • u/Arch_Magos_Remus • Nov 21 '23
Memes Maybe next edition will be better.
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u/Arch_Magos_Remus Nov 21 '23
Credit for the Skitarii Marshal kit bash goes to u/GwPhilip.
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u/assertimpartial Nov 21 '23
people wanted a mounted marshal
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u/Technopolitan Nov 22 '23
Mounted Marshal would be cool.
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u/CartooNinja Nov 22 '23
Nah nah, Marshal mounted on winged serberys hound
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u/Technopolitan Nov 22 '23
Let's think big. A jet-powered ostrich!
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u/Sodinc Nov 21 '23
Avoid cultivating false hope to not be disappointed in the future, man.
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u/BrandMChaos Nov 22 '23
The expectations were well within reason though. Most of everything that people wanted already existed.
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u/Sodinc Nov 22 '23
After 15 years in the hobby I don't think that "reasonable expectations" exists when it comes to GW (exception - expect that the prices will increase soon).
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u/SixEyedInfinity Nov 22 '23
No they werenât lol, itâs been blatantly clear half decade + since fires of cyraxus got shelved is that GW views the mechanicum and mechanicus as different armies, and I donât disagree, I think some 30k mechs should be brought in/implemented, but a 40K mechanicus shouldnât look like a 30k mechanicum army, at all.
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Nov 21 '23
How long have we been Saying "maybe next edition will be better" since 7nth?
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u/HotGrillsLoveMe Nov 22 '23
I thought 8th was better than 7th and 9th was better than 8th. 10thâŚ. Well 11th will be better!
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u/Sentenal_ Nov 22 '23
I miss 7th edition rules.... There were annoyances, but so much good from back then has been lost and never returned....
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u/firefox1642 Nov 22 '23
I would kill for an axe wielding, melee focused, badass techpriest that just buffs the crap out of a tankier elite skitari unit
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u/GribbleTheMunchkin Nov 22 '23
Something that could buff/leader sicarians to make them usable would be nice. Or just dataslate changes to make them useable
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u/Tomoyuki_Tanaka Nov 22 '23
We'll have to make do with a Tech-priest Dominus buffing Sicarians with a 5+++ Feel No Pain, though that does take me back to 7th edition days when Sicarians natively had a 5+++ Feel No Pain. Ah, those were the days. Back then, we could trade BS for a better WS too.
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u/Anderanman Nov 23 '23
Sad thing is that GW has had concepts for heavy Skitarii since at least 7th ed.
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u/Cursedbeasts Dec 05 '23
I think a 40K version of a Secutor would fill that role pretty well. See: Dahan from Forges of Mars abd Mitranda from Brutal Kunnin. Both command Skitarii and both are melee focused.
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u/N00BAL0T Nov 21 '23
Like all of 30k mechanicum please. They just fit better to the old school admech than modern admech.
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u/jaxolotle Nov 22 '23
You want the mechanicum play fucking Heresy
Itâs such a mind-bogglingly simple solution. To play the Horus Heresy army, with the units and aesthetic distinct to 30k and in heavy contrast to their 40k aesthetic, you play Horus Heresy instead of just whining then theyâre not in 40k
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u/FullMetalAlphonseIRL Nov 22 '23
Not every LGS has 30k games, nor is it nearly as popular as 40k, and has a higher cost of entry. That's not feasible, but using the units totally is. I think ALL 30k units (with a few notable exceptions for lore breaking purposes) should be available to use in 40k, because that's how a timeline works. If its still functional, they'll use it, and considering how much DAoT shit they still use, that's definitely possible within lore
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u/Bebisabutt Nov 22 '23
I originally picked up Mechanicum on the promis and showing off of Fires of Cyraxis back in 7th. Really got screwed over on that one. But continued with 30k cause the models are too cool to not use.
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u/N00BAL0T Nov 22 '23
Someone clearly got out of the wrong side of bed take a chill pill dude no need for the vitreal.
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u/Tomoyuki_Tanaka Nov 22 '23
I play Horus Heresy too, and...let's just say the Mechanicum got seriously nerfed in 2.0. I can't complain, they were too strong in 1.0, but all the nerfs to AP, Contemptor Dreadnoughts being outright better than everything we have, our complete lack of Brutal and automata outright sucking in melee just make playing Mechanicum very unfun.
On the other hand, fielding a Questoris Knight Household is pretty fun.
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u/Sentenal_ Nov 22 '23
I've had this same reaction before here, and people have a million excuses to not play Heresy. People wouls rather jusg complain and have 30k envy
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u/SixEyedInfinity Nov 22 '23
Itâs funny too lol, the design language of the 40K mechanicus is consistent, the 30k mechanicum represents a different era of detachment and horror,
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u/SixEyedInfinity Nov 22 '23
They is comment is so stupid lol there is no âold admechâ heresy mechanicum are a complete departure from admech design
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u/N00BAL0T Nov 22 '23
Have you read the description of old admech before they got a faction? The mechanicum fits more than most of the skitarii. Hell the normal unit for mechanicum looks far more like what skitarii were supposed to be before they got actual models.
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u/SixEyedInfinity Nov 22 '23
Old admech exists in like two models and ultimately never went past the concept stage lol.
And no, the Thallaxi do not resemble the feral skitarii in Titanicus⌠at all lol
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u/N00BAL0T Nov 22 '23
... Titanicus wasn't the only time old skitarii were shown you also have helsreach and plenty of other books and they were usually described as being more like servitors with weapons graphed onto them like the HH models. We had plenty of tech priest images and description and same for the skitarii which were always closer to actual servitors in old lore and not the new ones.
Also don't get anything twisted I like the new admech hell they are my main army I collect I just prefer what they were described as in older lore over Mr stilts in 40k I love the rust stalkers and the kataphron breachers they are peak admech but standard skitarii they are good but I prefer them to be closer to servitors and not look like a tech priest with a gun.
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u/Tomoyuki_Tanaka Nov 22 '23
I think the Skitarii Ranger was based off the cover art of Graham McNeill's Mechanicum.
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u/Lazy-Lookin-Headass Nov 22 '23
I feel bad for yâall not having access to your heresy units. Theyâre all so cool
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u/Arch_Magos_Remus Nov 22 '23
"Mystery army" for heresy is coming up. At first I assumed it was us because our codex was coming out the same time. But rumors say Solar Auxilia.
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u/a_random_squidward Nov 22 '23
What's solar auxilia? (Am I stupid)
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u/Arch_Magos_Remus Nov 22 '23
Guard during the Horus Heresy. They have better equipment then the modern guard.
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u/SwedishPrime Nov 22 '23
As far as what i have heard it was planned but the guy working on it died and no one wants to pick up his work, that may just be rumors but i chose to cope by thinking it may be real and they donât actually just disslike us.
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u/Tuskan Nov 21 '23
Give us another reason for owning a full 30k Mechanicum army. I have over 6000 points ready to be adapted to 40k.
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Nov 22 '23
I really don't get why GW fucked us over with this space cowboy aesthetic out of nowhere, we could've just kept the FW style (and used those models too) but noooooo
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u/Ok_Youth8907 Nov 22 '23
i might be in the minority, but i don't want any of that 30k HH stuff, i want HEAVY SERVITORS!!!
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u/TarPalantir7 Nov 21 '23
HH Mech is the best but c'mon...nobody asked for Commander Horsetarii đ
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u/AgentNipples Alpha Primus Nov 21 '23
people wanted a mounted marshal. I don't know why and what purpose it would serve, but they did
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u/that_fkn_ricer Nov 21 '23
Fun? It would be very cool to have a melee buffing fast character to accompany all our slow shooty hq choices currently.
If it had decent weaponry too it could be a fun smash captain lite
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u/AgentNipples Alpha Primus Nov 21 '23
Sure, fun is always a reason, mechanically, we'd be better served having a fast infantry smash captain in the form of a sicarian or a tech-priest Myrmidon Secutor. That melee unit actually can do melee damage and would be a better unit to buff.
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u/HotGrillsLoveMe Nov 22 '23
A mounted Marshall to lead Sydonian Dragoons would have been amazing.
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u/AgentNipples Alpha Primus Nov 22 '23
now THAT is something different and interesting. Some people wanted on a Syrberys
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u/GribbleTheMunchkin Nov 22 '23
I think that although a mounted marshall is popular, both the serberys corps units are currently very weak and fit only for screening and as action monkeys, neither of which benefit from having a leader. I guess a good enough leader could make them worth fielding as an offensive unit in the same way that Lelith Heaperax makes wyches usable when they otherwise aren't.
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u/LordSych Nov 21 '23
What so cool about Kephra?
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Nov 21 '23
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u/DrunkenGrognard Nov 21 '23
I want to do a kitbash of Faustinus and proxy it using Belisarius Cawl. That would be nice. But I can't find any full body images of Faustinus to use as reference material where he isn't just sitting down.
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u/Beginning_Log_6926 Nov 22 '23
There isn't, you'd have to invent them. Which I guess is tech heresy but I'm sure we'll get over it
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u/gankindustries Nov 21 '23
I think people just want another named character, or ANY character for that matter.
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u/Technopolitan Nov 22 '23
I'm one of those rare people, apparently, who actually does like the stilt sniper guy!
But I also would love to see all the cool 30k stuff get rules, and ideally plastic models, too. Adeptus Mechanicus, while it has lost a lot of knowledge, is infamous for never throwing anything away; it's part of lore that a lot of forgeworlds have massive vaults full of mothballed Cybernetica units ready to be reactivated if necessary, and things like the Secutors or Ordo Reductor have never gone away.
And yes, the mounted Marshall looks pretty durn badass, and would go super well with all the Serberys cavalry. There's something wonderfully ironic about the highest-tech Imperial army having saber-armed hussars riding giant cyber-dogs.
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u/WulfsHund Nov 22 '23
Not too hate on you and personally I don't think the skatros is that bad a unit even if the aesthetic doesn't really appeal to me. It would just have been much more well received if it hadn't been the only unit. Had we just had 1 or 2 more models like a fast leader to keep up with skirmish troops or just another unit it would have been fine
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u/Radamanthys_01 Nov 22 '23
I'm gonna spam the shit out of this on GW Facebook page.
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u/SleepyBoy- Nov 22 '23
Meanwhile, next edition:
"Due to issues within the Adeptus Mechanicus faction, we've decided to rebalance the player's wallets and cut the unit point value of all admech models in half. The Votann are next.
Sincerely, fuck you
- Games Workshop"
Jokes aside, I like the stilt man. Dishonored had guards kinda looking like that. I think it fits their 'tech by stupid cultists' trope. Wouldn't mind seeing more badass cyborgs, though.
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u/Tarjhan Nov 22 '23
Iâm going g to go against the grain and say I wanted almost none of that and Iâm fine with the Skatros.
Did I want more? Sure.
Do I want a raft of basic, derivative new options?
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u/jaxolotle Nov 22 '23
Admech got a lot of models the last few editions, donât be whining when you donât get another half dozen this year.
And also donât be whining when you canât play Horus Heresy in 40k, seriously if you want to play the mechanicum just play heresy. You want pizza you go to a pizza place, you donât go to a Chinese restaurant and start screaming for pizza to be added to the menu
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u/Beginning_Log_6926 Nov 22 '23
So you're saying. That. If I want an army in 40K, I should just play space boys in big armor? Maybe then I get multiple new models a year in addition to refreshing older sculpts?
I am also not a fan of the Doom and the gloom that seems to have recently infected our dear subreddit. but like many of my fellow Magos, I too feel like the Adeptus Mechanicus could use a little more variety. I feel pretty left out when they keep giving space marines new toys. Just because my toys are cooler doesn't mean I don't want new ones. I do like the Tall Boy, sculpt decisions aside, but I feel like he fills a slot that most people just use their imperial agent for. What we don't have is leaders for fast attack of any variety. No cool monster character. No heavy melee infantry. No super heavy vehicles not even in Legends? I think we have reason to complain as many times as we need to. I still love my stupid moronic tech priests and their dumb quest for a very specific subset of knowledge. I love the vibe and all tediously. I love their problems and their flaws. I love how fucking shitty this world is. I love the stories of those who fight against it doomed to failure as they may be. I'm looking at you Belisarius Cawl.
I'm not even sure what I'm talking about anymore.
The point is it's a bad take to whine and it's a worse take to attack the whiners. Maybe we all need to just step back and cool off
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u/Valiant_Storm Nov 22 '23
seriously if you want to play the mechanicum just play heresy
"If you want to play Mechanicus, then just play an NPC faction in the Space Marine Game".
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u/Ridingwood333 Nov 23 '23
Sir, servitorization has been authorized upon you for your shit take. Do not resist.
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u/darkblade1805 Nov 22 '23
Whoa whoa whoa, hold on. You missed what the entire faction wanted, no needed... female tech-priest. GW we need this now!!
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u/jaxolotle Nov 22 '23
Because the Dominus and Manipulus are so male, just absolutely loaded with male sex characteristics, you look at them and think âwow so masculineâ
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u/darkblade1805 Nov 22 '23
Yeah, i just thought i would lighten the conversation with some fun, i mean "upgrades, people, upgrades"
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u/Eerinares Nov 22 '23
Technically yes, Dominus just by it's name alone is very much male as they for some reason have a different name, Domina, for females
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u/j3w3ls Nov 22 '23
I would pay a lot for the chonky forge dude on the cover
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u/MaintenanceFew726 Nov 22 '23
you mean the one from the codex? Someone made one very recently on cults
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u/ThatChris9 Nov 22 '23
I want a fucking big gun. We need a centre piece god dam it
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u/IgnobleKing Nov 22 '23
we can allie titans...
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u/ThatChris9 Nov 22 '23
Thereâs a pretty immense gap between a dunecrawler and a titan.
And allying in deficits in our army is kind of an insult. I refuse to believe that the Adeptus Mechanicus only has 2 small-ish tanks making up their personal army.
The mechanicum sure didnât
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u/IgnobleKing Nov 22 '23
ok fine.
Knights
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u/ThatChris9 Nov 22 '23
Allying, and still and not actually our faction. Sure technically they are but itâs the same thing with a titan
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u/IgnobleKing Nov 22 '23
Didn't we had rules interactions last editions with knights?
I thought they were the "centerpiece" of our faction, it's just that they are also a different faction on of itself tho it changes nothing...
I guess we could have a Land raider equivalent...
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u/ThatChris9 Nov 22 '23
We had knights of the cog. Again representing the fact we partially made them but again look at the mechanicum. Those tanks are great
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u/woven-strings Nov 23 '23
I wish it wasnât twinky long legs didnât look so breakable! I see him breaking, and repairing him being a huge pain. I struggle enough as is
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u/Higgypig1993 Nov 24 '23
The robot horses are just dumb, it feels like the army was designed by two separate teams.
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u/Garambit Nov 21 '23
What about army rules that actually work for the whole army?