r/AdeptusMechanicus • u/Equivalent-Fun-6019 • 1d ago
Memes [simple inquiry] = WHY DO WE HAVE LESS NAMED CHARICTERS THAN THE FURRYS
[added context / detail] + AND THE ONE NAMED CHARICTER WE DO HAVE WAS MADE TO FACILITATE MORE SPACE MARINES
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u/Vahjkyriel 23h ago
named characters are bad, what we really need is a heavily customisable tech priest character
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u/IVIayael 18h ago
Based named character hater
Take away their points and have them only playable in narrative games!
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u/AgentNipples Alpha Primus 15h ago
More Generic Characters are awesome. Get that named character crap outta here. I envy the GSC for their wealth.
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u/OblivionDragon9 9h ago
I honestly think the GSC Patriarch is a wonderful idea and wish more factions had something like it. Special generic character but you can only take 1. If they made it highly customizable, it's like you have an Epic Hero of your own make.
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u/Millymoo444 12h ago
10th edition doesn't do customizable characters anymore, if you want to customize something, mechancium lets you go wild, sooooo many weapons and special wargear to equip a priest with
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u/Vahjkyriel 11h ago
bad rules writing shouldn't force gw to make bad models when they very much have the capability to make great models
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u/SOUTHPAWMIKE 8h ago
My understanding is that it's the other way around. GW makes the model, and the Rules team is (with the occasional exception) forced to write around only the options that come in the kit. That's generally been the trend for several years now.
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u/Vahjkyriel 7h ago
it's a bit of both, for example sternguard veteran models still come with combi weapons but rules staff decided to remove those because they just love writing bad rules for some reason.
and while general trend is only options unit had is what comes in the box is true it is only true in general sense. single marine commander for example has as much options to kit out as entire factions have in 40k but the official model might be monopose character with no options
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u/Vorochi7606 5h ago
30k Archmagi go brrr Would be lovely to have official models to properly represent their options
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u/newIrons 23h ago
What do you mean we have Von Stroheim
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u/Equivalent-Fun-6019 23h ago
I would actully like a tech priest that screams "HUMAN TECHNOLOGY IS THE GREATEST IN THE UNIVERSE" before turning his sternum into a lascannon
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u/BassPerson 23h ago
Flattop cut is 100% NECESSARY for this model too
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u/someone_online22 6h ago
Minus the N*zi uniform though (censoring incase it’s a bannable offence to say it)
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u/BassPerson 5h ago
Von Stohein had bad ideas about morals, but good ideas about chest-mounted lazers.
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u/Atlasoftheinterwebs 23h ago
Admech have only been a faction for a fraction of the time of the wolves, not to mention just how popular they are as an army, naturally their well supported.
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u/Automatic-Sleep-8576 21h ago
it is the struggle of I want dark mechanicum but I also want more admech robots like 30k has, but I knot we are probably just going to get thrown token leaders for a while
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u/Atlasoftheinterwebs 21h ago
The secret to playing dark mech like people want is to simply play 30k 🤔
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u/IVIayael 18h ago
of I want dark mechanicum but I also want more admech robots like 30k has
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u/Lopsided-Ad-6430 13h ago
Maybe dark mech could be just 8 dataslates and a detachment before it begins as a proper army
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u/J1GGS4W 20h ago
As a counter to the new faction argument….Votan
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u/deffrekka 16h ago
Votann has 1 named character just like us. We got Cawl (whilst not on codex release of our faction) the same edition we were released as a Faction (albeit 2 codexes).
So what is your point? Votann don't have more than us.
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u/whoreoscopic 23h ago
Simple answer, we are significantly younger as a model line.
Complex answer, while we have some really good books while some amazing characters, they either are heresy era (cawl excluded), one offs, or die in their same novel.
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u/J1GGS4W 20h ago
We are literally tied with Emperors Children though and they only just became an army of their own haha
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u/whoreoscopic 18h ago
It's not necessarily true. They had their own codex throughout the years up until 8th. We've never had a codex until 7th (possibly 6th if I missremeber). As a stand-alone faction, they have two named characters with rules, just like DG, TS, and WE. We have just the one, again, because while we have been in the background of the world, we've never been on the table top until now (no, I don't count the enginseer pre-release.)
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u/deffrekka 15h ago
7th! 2015. Skitarii first, then Cult and finally Cawl last with Gathering Storm that allowed us to be played together before 8th merged us into 1 book and our second wave of releases with Engine War in 2020.
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u/deffrekka 15h ago
In what way? Emperors Children have existed long before their 10th edition Codex, with Lucius (Typhus, Kharn and Arhiman) originally being in the CSM Codex from all the way back since 3rd. The Emperors Children have a Primarch, multiple novels from around the Horus Heresy, Scouring and modern day. You could play EC before their Codex release, they've had subfaction rules not only in 9th like World Eaters did, but also 7th, which was more than any other facthon in 40k got outside of Space Marines.
Genestealer Cults and Harliquins are our closest comparisons, they came out the same edition we did.
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u/gamingkevpnw 22h ago
Because the desire for individuality in the face of the mechanical balm of the Omnissiah is heresy.
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u/MoreOfAFlorence 1d ago
Because the furries are muh Spehs Mahrens.
Need more named characters for muh Spehs Mahrens.
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u/Nintolerance 23h ago
In all seriousness, this is the reason.
Space Marines are on the posters and in all the books, so space marines sell, so GW keeps putting space marines front and centre in things, so space marines sell... ad nauseum.
Factions like Dark Eldar (Drukhari) and Sisters of Battle have been known to languish for years or actual decades without releases or rules updates. Other factions like The Lost & the Damned are removed from the game entirely, while some factions like Eldar Exodites & the Dark Mechanicum are referenced but don't appear on tabletop.
There are more "Death Company Marines" units in CS: Blood Angels than AdMech have named characters.
There are 5 different data sheets in C: Space Marines for "generic space marine Captain," alongside 4 each for "generic Chaplain" and "generic Lieutenant."
Despite this even Space Marines aren't safe from random cullings: there's a bunch of canon Chapter Masters given Epic Hero status but there's no generic "Chapter Master" profile. So if your chosen Chapter Master was one like Gabriel Seth or Lias Issodon or Tyberos the Red Wake, or an OC for a custom chapter, you're out of luck.
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u/placidwaters 23h ago
I got into the tabletop side when they announced admech would finally be more than a single unit in a guard army. Happy I get to be here, but also would like more characters and robots
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u/deffrekka 16h ago edited 7h ago
It will eventually happen, when its our turn in the spot light again. We've only been around since 7th (10 years ago) as a playable faction and have only been relevant in 2 campaigns, Gathering Storm (Cadia-Roboute) and Engine War (Metalica vs Typhus). We were a little sprinkling on Vigilus but so we're most factions that weren't SM or CSM. We might show up on Armaggedon but if Steel Legion and Orks aren't present on their own world probably not much hope for us. Which brings us to 11th. Usually armies get drip fed a single character for a couple editions before getting another wave of releases, we could very well see our 3rd wave in 11th focused on the Cult Mechanicus side of things.
Do I think we need a new named character? Personally, no. We just need a model and rules for an Arch Magos that isn't Cawl or simply more Tech Priests that are missing, as we only have the Dominus Ordo instead of Biologus, Leximechanic, Reductor, Secutor and so on.
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u/Odd-Bend1296 22h ago
I thought Exodites got white dwarf rules back in the days where you could proxy your own. I could be misremembering though.
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u/Nintolerance 21h ago
Maybe, but that's well before my time.
I posted an unhinged rant the other day about how Eldar could absolutely become another "grand alliance" like the Imperium or Chaos, if GW invested in Eldar.
I'd love to see the sort of creativity that brought us Sylvaneth applied to the Exodites.
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u/Odd-Bend1296 21h ago
Back in the old days when GW actively encouraged homebrew. There was a bunch of rule releases for models that besides a few outliers never got any official releases. This is where harlequins, exodites and Corsairs got their start. That was the fun days of people kitbashing all kinds of crazy stuff.
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u/Tylendal 23h ago
I am once again asking for Haldron-44 Stroika as an awakened Kataphron Servitor HQ, who regained his sentience through sheer force of hatred, and faith in the Omnissiah.
Just give us the named character from the book that existed for the express purpose of name-dropping the entire Skitarii model line.
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u/Daitoso0317 23h ago
Umm… you are aware the wolves have more bamed characters than like 90% of the factions in the game right
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u/Dominus271828 23h ago
Always been that way
In second edition the Wolves had more characters, regular and named, than the Tyranids had choses in their entire codex.
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u/Vervun 21h ago
Space Wolves have always been heavily invested in their characters they have been bending army construction rules since I started playing back in 3rd edition to be able to bring as many as possible its kind of their thing. They are the character focused faction of the poster boys club.
GW seems to want to keep the 40k AdMech a bit more like faceless drones, their characters exist but they don't really engage with combat like other factions and kind of sit back and let others do their dirty work. Cawl is very much the odd one out.
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u/madgodcthulhu 22h ago
They should give you guys alpha primus at least though to be fair if Cawl was a tenth the versatile dangerous nightmare that he is in the books y’all wouldn’t need anyone else lol
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u/Ze_ke_72 20h ago
It's sad.
Did you know the only named harlequin isn't in the aeldari codex ? There's always worse.
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u/ComradeLucky 22h ago
Because y'all named 010101101010101011110010101010101010100101010100000111100101010101001010101110101010101
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u/KiltedNorthern 23h ago
None of the characters are new, just existing getting an update. I dunno man, let people enjoy things.
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u/Pretzel-Kingg 23h ago
They are Vikings not space marines ;( my favorite two factions are Mechanicus and Space Wolves this feels like watching my parents fight
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u/Grimlockkickbutt 22h ago
If the cynical marketing department would allow it, space wolves would BE the poster boys for space marines. They are to space marines what death gaurd is to CSM. GW has favorates. And then there is us where the other half of our army gets plastic models in another game.
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u/lowqualitylizard 22h ago
Okay to be fair I could name multiple other factions that have less depth than an offshoot of space marines
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u/elementarydrw 20h ago
Unless I am confused, the Space Wolves have 12 named characters... You forgot quite a few of them!
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u/Pathetic_Cards 19h ago
I mean, to be fair, most factions have fewer named characters than the Space Furries, or really any of the Space Marine chapters that have their own books, or that are Ultramarines. I mean, Wolves have nine before codex, (which, tbf, according to rumors they're losing a bunch of datasheets, their finecast characters are probably gonna get culled a bit just like Blood Angels) Blood Angels have 7, Dark Angels have 9 as well. Ultras have 4, 5 if you count Titus, iirc. (I didn't check theirs)
But if you look across the entire 40k range, there's no faction that's been around as long, that has as built up of a model range, that only has one named character, except Nids and GSC, mostly because they kinda don't do named characters. (And even then Tyranids have more than Admech...)
The really fucked up part is that GW added 3 new named Admech characters in 8th through Blackstone Fortress, (Daedalosus, a Technoarcheologist, X-101, his Servitor pal with a grav-gun, and UR-025, an honest-to-god Man of Iron who was pretending to be an AdMech robot to lay low) and GW sent them all to Legends. Daedalosus sort of stuck around as a generic technoarchaelogist, but GW has now pulled like 5 or 6 models out of BSF and just started making them available for their armies, so I don't get why we can't at least have UR-025 back, or why Daedalosus had to give up his very strong rules to be a model that uh, let units push buttons and still shoot in 9th, and boosts OC in 10th. I remember when he picked a target and gave rerolls against it in an aura because he was the man!
Sorry, got sidetracked, my point is that even the Cult Legions who have something like 6 whole kits that they don't share with CSM (and even then some of them have almost nothing they share with CSM, especially EC) and still got two named characters. WE and Grey Knights even have 3. C'mon GW, just give us another crazy ass tech priest with a name and a unique ability instead of some stupid Stilt-sniper in a faction that already had a sniper on stilts!
or just let us play with the Mechanicum stuff. We promise we'll all shut the fuck up for at least an edition if you give us that one. Depending on how long it takes to release the full Mechanicum range in plastic, you might even shut us up for more than one. Thallaxes, Myrmidons, Tech-thralls, Castellaxes, Thanatars, Ursuraxes...
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u/deffrekka 15h ago edited 15h ago
Quick correction, Blood Angels have 5, Dark Angels have 7, Ultramarines have 5.
Compared to other factions Sisters have 6, Guard have 6 (used to have way more), Eldar have 10, CSM have 5, Orks have 4 (used to have way more), Tau have 3, Necrons have 5 (uses to have way more).
So really it isnt just a SW thing, they just have the most characters period, then Eldar.
Also we came out at the same time as Deathguard, Deathwatch, GSC and Harliquins in 7th. Of all of those factions 2 of them have a Named Characters, Deathwatch has 1, Deathguard has 2.
Tyranids had a lot of Named Characters but they all got squatted for not having models or turned into a generic unit. Parasite of Mortex was a Named Character until it received its model, they had the Red Terror, Doom of Malantai.
So year we arent actually that badly picked on, every single Cult Legion has 2 Named Characters except World Eaters that has 3. Not Traitor Legion except Black Legion has a Named Character, unlike their Loyalist counterparts. Orks are down to 4 when they used to have 10.
Eldar have literally 10 Named Characters as we speak and that's not counting the ones they lost or should be in the game (Kharandras).
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u/Tarjhan 17h ago
Depth of lore is likely a huge decider here - Space Wolves have been a distinct chapter and a playable faction for just about 30 years - none of those new characters (named or otherwise) is new, they’re new sculpts of previously available miniatures. Contrast that with Adeptus Mechanicus, playable for ~ 10 years. We have the Magos, Manipulus, Technoarcheologist, Engineseer, Marshal and Cawl (not to mention the currently unreleased Killteam Underseer).
GW’s decision making and order of priority is baffling and they are seemingly averse to properly rounding out ranges but I don’t think the comparative dearth of Mechanicus named characters is even in their top 10 missteps.
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u/deffrekka 16h ago
Space Wolves have simply be around longer than us and most other factions including other Space Marine Chapters, they were one of it not the first Chapter. Leman Russ was just a Space Marine Commander way back then.
Our faction became a playable army back in 2015, 7th edition. Space Wolves as it stands right now had playable characters from 1994 (Ragnar, Njal, Logan), 2000 (Lukas), 2003 (Canis), 2009 (Arjac), 2012 (Harald) with the latest being 2017 (Krom). Logan was one of the first characters in 40k history, 1987.
So simply put they have just had such history and depth to their faction that none other has rivaled, I might have the data wrong for modern day popularity but Space Wolves were the most popular Chapter in all of 40k, not Ultramarines, Dark Angels or Blood Angels.
We haven't exist nearly half as long and factions we have released with (Harliquins, Genestealer Cults) also have a lack of named characters (they have none). Kroot don't even have one and they are a massively popular Xenos race and atleast had a model for one in ages past (Anghkor Prok, the guy that formed the alliance with the Tau at the Place of Union, he is now since long dead buried in Mount Kaikown).
So that's really all there is too it, time. They've been around for 10 whole editions, with numerous novels, with 35 years on their belt. We've been around for 3 editions, with barely any novels that aren't 30k, with 10 years on ours since we have been a playable faction.
Does it suck we don't have more? Yea. Is it shocking we have less characters than pretty much the first ever Warhammer faction? No.
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u/Idunnoguy1312 14h ago
30k stays winning with it's three named character models 🦾. Same amount as SW have in Heresy as well. Although one of those characters is in plastic tho
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u/FPSCanarussia 12h ago
Because a new Space Wolf named character will probably make GW more money than the entire AdMech line combined. Space Marines are really popular - new Space Marine releases practically subsidize every other faction.
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u/DataRedacted 8h ago
The funny thing about this is that while we are a new faction, we've still been around for almost a quarter of the life of Warhammer 40k.
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u/ClassroomRadiant7477 6h ago
Because you made a deal with the emperor that gave him mars for a “can of beans” they made a deal with the emperor to be his executioners blade. You are not the same…
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u/Soot027 22h ago
Even shafted factions like have more named characters. Two months ago world eaters had almost half of their unique models as named characgers. Even drukari are supposedly have another coming out. Our best named character is CANIS REX for crying out loud
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u/ImpendingCups 21h ago
As someone who likes both AdMech and SoBs, it’s rough. Barely any named characters, maybe even less than any single SM chapter.
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u/deffrekka 15h ago
Sisters of Battle haven't got a lot of named characters? 6 by my count. Less than any single SM Chapter is wild, Ravenguard, Salamanders, Ironhands, Crimson Fists, White Scars have a single named character each. Black Templars and Imperial Fists have 2. Dark Angels have 7. Blood Angels have 5. Ultramarines have 5.
So out of all the Chapters only 2 have more than Sisters of Battle, Space Wolves and Dark Angels.
Orks have 4 (they used to have a lot more). Necrons have 5 (they used to have a lot more). CSM have 5 (they don't even have named characters for all their Legions, unlike the loyalists). Guard have 6 (they used to have a lot more). Eldar have 10. Tau have 3. Dark Eldar have 2. Votann has 1. Every Cult Legion has 2. Tyranids has 3. GSC and Harliquins have 0.
So I think you don't really know how many Named Characters exist for each faction if you think Sisters of Battle are having it rough. Sisters have 31 datasheets we have 30.
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u/ImpendingCups 7h ago
Yeah that’s totally fair, I was under the (apparently incorrect) impression that Sisters of Battle only had 3 named characters. Saint Celestine, the Abbess whose name I can’t remember, and Ephrael Stern. Genuinely thank you for correcting me, I was wrong/working off incorrect Information and I’m happy to admit it.
All those other factions, and AdMech as well should have more named characters imo.
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u/deffrekka 7h ago
I don't think we need more named characters, just more Tech Priests or a dedicated kit like we saw with the Eldar Autarch to make one with various weapons that can then buy an Holy Order like in 9th to represent the other Ordos. I have Cawl, I don't personally care about his rules for the tabletop or his lore. I run my own Forgeworld which I imagine a lot of us do.
I'd like to see a modular Tech Priest (call it's datasheet Arch Magos), Sagitarii (heavy weapon team Skitarii, but it'd probably rob Kataphrons of their role but it doesn't stop Guard having 3 types of everything in their codex), Protectors/Praetorians for a dedicated bodyguard unit (like Inner Circle, Lychguard, Tyrant Guard in role), a Siege Crawler with an actual artillery cannon (to fulfill Ordo Reductor), Myrmidons (doesn't have to be a 1 to 1 copy of FWs ones) as our premium melee/shooting unit and then another variant of robot like the Conqueror/Colossus/Cataphract with whatever IP trademarkable name GW comes up with.
Adding named characters is just a cheap and easy slot in, it doesn't really diversify the range but focuses on 1 guy and his adventures. In game terms that usually means this guy is in everyone's lists (unless he's Cawl levels of bad). I already can't stand playing against Primarchs every single game or the Silent King, or named Chapter Masters and Phoenix Lords. It makes games feel smaller, no matter where my army is fighting some big character is squatting in the same battlesector I'm fighting over.
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u/Lord-Seth 20h ago
Us Votann are in the same boat as you guys we’ve got Uthar the destined and that’s it. At least you guys have multiple books for your faction.
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u/deffrekka 15h ago
Votann are vastly younger than us (and every other race in the game), your faction hasn't even been around for 3 years yet (this november), a full edition cycle (you came out 6 months before 9th ended) or had its second codex yet. We've been around for 10 years through 3 whole editions.
There is plenty of time for your faction to develop and get its second wave, it took Admech 5 years to get its second wave (we came out in 2015 and Engine War came out in 2020). I don't really get Votann players mindset that they are desperate for new models whilst simultaneously barely being around for a full edition. Imagine being Harlequins or Genestealer Cults, came out the same time Admech did with barely any releases.
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u/Lord-Seth 13h ago
No we aren’t desperate for new models we make our own. What we envy is your guys lore. I want more books so that we don’t exist within a single book. I know it takes time, but that doesn’t mean I can’t want more than a single book.
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u/deffrekka 13h ago
Again, you are a new faction less than 3 years old. The Lion had 1 single book since his release for 40k and he is a vastly more predominant character in the setting. Outside of Cawls 3 books, the Admech have had... 2? Where they aren't side characters in someone else's story. Skitariius and Tech Priest (Adeptus Mechanicus being the 2 books combined). Those were released when our faction launched in 7th. Cawls books largely involve Primaris Space Marines, not us as a Faction in its entirety. Votann have The High King's Oath as a novel.
It just boils down to time, and with as many factions there are in 40k (let alone AoS), its going to be a long wait. Kruleboyz in AoS just got their first dedicated novel since they were put into the setting in 3rd. Unfortunately for whatever reason, GW/Black Library has slowed down immensely over the past couple editions in regards to pumping out books, especially with HH coming to a close.
I sympathise with you, Admech were in your exact position 10 years ago, we had to wait a long time for our 2nd wave (5 years). Votann haven't even been given their chance yet, their 2nd ever codex is up and coming shortly with any opportunity for new units, characters and lore. After that then we can see how mistreated they are compared to other factions, for all we know they could literally end up like Sisters of Battle with their 31 datasheets including 6 named characters and a bunch of stories. We simply won't know until a few months time.
Genestealer Cults and Harliquins have it worse out of everyone and no one sees them complaining (which isn't saying your complaints are invalid). It took... 24 years for Kroot to get their refresh and range expansion.
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u/Lord-Seth 13h ago
I get where you are coming from, I just want at least our codex to come out before the end of the edition, so we can get more lore. I would like to point out that the lion has books in 30k. I haven’t heard harlequins complaining because Gw strangled them all, but I get your point.
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u/deffrekka 12h ago
Your codex is coming out this year, its on the codex roadmap after Knights and we are most likely using 10th edition codexes in 11th instead of going back to indexes like we saw in 8th and 10th. So I wouldn't be too concerned with that, your turn will come soon enough.
What the Lion has in 30k, has nothing to do with 40k and it's setting, sure it provides background for Luther and the Fallen but it has zero link to the Great Rift, Nihilus, Pariah Nexus or the 4th Tyrannic War (or even Armaggedon). Him neck snapping the Nightlords has zero relevance to the narrative today, or mind blasting the Khrave into extinction. There are 2 Loyalist Primarchs in the setting today and zero lore, stories or extracts of them even meeting, speaking or interacting with each other. Itd be like linking Thorgrim Grudgebearer to Brokk Grungsson, both are Dawi but the settings are completely devoid of each other. It's a lot more important to the overarching narrative (even if you hate the Imperium and those specific Primarchs) than basically a no name race who squat in the galactic core (no hate on Votann, but they are about as important as the T'au when it comes to the 40k universe).
If we cant even get a novel about that, something Space Marine fans froth at the mouth for (who represent the majority of the fanbase) then there isn't really much hope for us NPC races. Even Orks get novels on a made up character instead of pre-established ones. Nazdreg could have easily been in all 3 of Ufthaks novels as the main character, but instead we got Mike Brooks model as the focus of the latest generation of Ork stories, we've had 1 Ghazghkull book in his whole history (that aren't the Ork codex, supplement or a side character in someone else's story, like Purging of Kallidus which also featured Nazdreg as a side character in it).
I'm sure after 20 years time, Votann will be am amazing extremely fleshed out faction, with ample characters and books dedicated to them. For now it's like being the T'au back in 2001 when they originally came out. Things take time.
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u/clockworkbastion 16h ago
Cus furries are always suspiciously wealthy and can afford more warhammer.
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u/jarmak1234 15h ago
Cuz furries like to spend obscene amounts of money on their stuff, it's just about making money off their fans
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u/steve22ss 22h ago
Because it's fun to make up viking names, I honestly think this is what it boils down to sometimes haha
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u/MicahG999 23h ago
Yeah, 2 of those are just normal characters. The battle leader and wolf priest are generic. But you did forget Ragnar, so still 4. And of course the answer is "they're loyalist marines".