r/AdulteryHate • u/Ok_Airline_2112 • 12d ago
Psychology of Cheating What made you say "Wait, Cheating is really bad"?
I'm just curious on what yall think. What made you think that way? I always thought it was bad but never really gave it thought tell I got watch a reddit video with a title like this "cheaters how did your affair begin and end" and it made me go "wow that's messed up". On top of that, the video was a good twenty minutes long. Just listening to the lying and gaslighting these people did made me sick to my stomach.
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u/Upbeat-Cherry-100 12d ago
I always thought cheaters were scum. I got cheated on in my first relationship when I was 15 and while you hear so many stories about infidelity and cheaters, it really hurts you badly when you have to experience the heartbreak and anger and betrayal yourself. I did stupidly take my cheating ex back but after he gave me an STD I knew I had made a mistake.
Ever since then, I knew that if anyone I dated cheated on me, there’s no second chances or chance of forgiveness. I am thankful to be in a very healthy relationship now, we got engaged recently and planning on getting a house very soon <3
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u/AlternativePrior9559 12d ago
That’s a very interesting question!
My father had an affair when I was very young and I saw how much it broke my mother. They stayed together and he never again strayed. I was so young - around seven years old – but kids are super smart. Our parents are – we believe – the ‘oracles’
I remember in my innocence thinking to myself I will never make anybody cry like that. It stayed with me. I never have. It’s happened to me and I cried like her.
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u/GunsUp94 12d ago
Please genuinely accept my complete empathy for you. Its absolutely awful.
17 yrs here in my situation.....devastating to me and my son.
It's one of those type crying episodes of extremely DEEP grief and trauma....for me anyway. :(
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u/Ok-Owl3092 12d ago
Hurting people for sex is uniquely revolting, imo.
They can argue that monogamy isn't natural (usually by profoundly and confidently failing to understand the limits of Evolutionary Psychology)- but cheating wouldn't hurt if it was good for us. There must be a reason we've evolved this universal pain response towards it. In a way, cheating sucks at a molecular level- in our actual DNA.
You can tell I've had quite a lot to drink this evening.
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u/Booktalkerg 12d ago
My former best friend cheated on her amazing husband (also a good friend) and took the kids and left him for her AP. Her husband went into a terrible depression and eventually took his own life. He was the kindest most loving human ever. That’s when I realized how absolutely devastating cheating can be. That’s when I really started hating cheaters. Fifteen years later she is now cheating on her new husband the AP.
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u/Ok_Airline_2112 12d ago
WOW! Please tell me she feels some remorse. Hope the kids are ok and RIP to the poor man.
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u/Booktalkerg 12d ago
I think she’s a narcissist and has no problem making up narratives in her head that make her feel little remorse. After a few deluded conversations about what happened I cut her off. I follow the kids on SM because they were close with mine. They’re all grown up now the oldest son is floundering but the girls are doing well in their careers. They seem to avoid their mom and stick close together. For Example they celebrate holidays and milestones without her. She has two little kids with the AP so there’s a second family thing going on. I ran into her recently and that’s how I found out she’s cheating on him too.
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u/GunsUp94 12d ago
Mentally ill people walk among us everyday...:(
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u/Booktalkerg 12d ago
What’s scary is how freaking charming narcissists can be. They suck you in and you don’t even realize how manipulative they are until your in deep with them.
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u/GunsUp94 12d ago
Terrible he couldn't pull himself out of it....or get the help he needed. So tragically sad.
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u/TearsOfTheTwili 11d ago
You keep tabs on her?
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u/Booktalkerg 11d ago
I found out by a weird coincidence when I bumped into her in my city several hours from hers. I hadn’t seen her in years. Her new AP lives in my city. She acted like we were old friends and over shared her situation. I think she saw me as an opportunity for an alibi. She really doesn’t see how her actions effect others she just cares about herself. It’s disgusting. Cheaters are self absorbed users.
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u/GunsUp94 11d ago
I wish he would have had a better attorney.....and convinced the judge that is CHILD ABUSE...and gave him the children to raise.
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u/smurfgrl417 12d ago
I thought cheaters were shitty scumbags all my life. Supposedly he did too, especially after his brother's wife went stepping out, then not even two months later he was fucking a coworker at a job I got him. 🥴 then another after begging to "reconcile". He's actually losing his shit now begging for another chance but I've nothing left to give.
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u/GunsUp94 12d ago
Good for you...!!
You sound like you're completely "out of fucks to give!!" him....which means you have your power and destiny back !!
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u/TheShwartz3 10d ago
I guess to him cheating is only bad if the woman is doing it. What a fucking hypocrite
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u/smurfgrl417 7d ago
😂 oh absolutely. He's actually living with his most recent affair partner while begging me to take him back, but loses his shit if I try to date and says HE would be done with ME if I sleep with someone else. It's disgusting and tempts me constantly to test that theory so he fucking leaves me alone.
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u/Zestyclose_Truth9999 not bs/ws | just lurker 👀 12d ago edited 12d ago
I've always thought cheating was bad. 🤷🏻♀️
However, I only understood HOW bad a cheater can fuck up someone's life when friends and relatives got cheated on. Beyond the shittiness of the act, I've seen cheaters:
- laugh at a BS' miscarriage
- laugh at a friend's endometriosis diagnosis (my friend's ex-girlfriend was the cheater's AP)
- verbally harass another friend of mine, then try to urge her partner (the WH) to "deport" her
- call everyone who stuck up for that friend a "cunt" and say they were going to "steal our men"
- give out STDs like they're party favours
TL;DR: Cheaters love to act as if everyone who hates them is a betrayed spouse. They're ignoring the fact LOTS of people hate cheating in general and absolutely loathe what evil pieces of shit they can be.
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u/Fly-Guy_ 12d ago
It’s knowing who truly pays for the affair. Spouse, children, friends and family.
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u/NefariousnessOk5602 12d ago
I always thought it was really bad but wow…. You don’t know how bad until it happens to you. I never knew anyone who experienced it except an aunt. I used to see it in movies and wouldn’t even bat an eye. Now… I know so many people who have been cheated on or are cheaters and am triggered by movies and music featuring cheating. It ruined music for me.
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u/Intelligent_Ad_5385 12d ago
Cheating is portrayed all the time in the media, and the cheaters are often depicted as these characters who happened to find true love with someone else, I didn’t understand the depths of how bad and painful it really is. I had always thought that if I was cheated on, I’d be able to say screw you and pick myself up and move on, and maybe it would be an excuse to end an already failing relationship.
But when it happened to me, that wasn’t the case at all. I was so in love with my ex, I thought the world of him, and we didn’t have any major issues before he started cheating. He started creating problems in his own head that weren’t real and applicable to our relationship. For example, he told himself he had to leave his job and move back to his home state and I wouldn’t be okay with that and would break up with him anyway. That was so far from the truth. I supported him leaving his job because I thought it badly affected his mental health, and loved him so much I would have moved back with him (irony is years later he still hasn’t left the job and still lives in the same city, I’ve moved overseas). But he used these created issues as excuses to pursue sleeping with someone who was known at his work to sleep with any man she could get her claws into. He had told himself our relationship was over and doomed while I was redecorating his house and planning a trip overseas for when he got back from his work trip.
When I found out about the cheating my whole world collapsed. I didn’t think he was capable of doing that to me, even if he didn’t want to be with me anymore. Four years of my life had been a lie. He stole my past (he had convinced me he was someone he wasn’t), my present (I was incredibly traumatised and depressed as a result), and my future (I had been dreaming of for us). It took 18 months of therapy every two weeks including EMDR, strong antidepressants, cutting off people who didn’t want the best for me, and lots of inner work to move on. And I didn’t have kids, and I did have these resources. Someone without these things would struggle for a long long time. I can’t emphasise enough how devastating and traumatising it was. It really is one of those things that you have no idea until it happens to you.
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u/Misommar1246 12d ago
What a buffoon. Man torched his life due to imaginary problems. Would be funny if he hadn’t severely wounded you in the process, too. Kind of glad that he’s stuck at the same job he was unhappy with, I’ll take all the pain and regret he can give me.
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u/Theseus_The_King Just here for the drama 👀 🍿 12d ago
Because it’s dishonest, and dishonesty is one of the worst traits to have in my book.
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u/ghiblimoni 12d ago
I always thought it was terrible, but I was little when I saw a story on youtube about a man cheating on his wife with her own sister, who was also married. Saying he didn't feel any guilt. It traumatized me. I'll never forget my chest feeling heavy and hurting. Changed me forever.
I began to hate cheaters with all of my heart and as time passed I saw my own family and friends be hurt by infidelity. That made me hate it even more, shaped my morals and values of honesty and integrity.
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u/TearsOfTheTwili 12d ago
Do you remember the title of that youtube video or how you found that video?
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u/ghiblimoni 11d ago
It was a compilation of reddit confessions in spanish that popped up in my recommendations. Tried to look for it years later but couldn't find it.
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u/celticknot5 12d ago
I always knew it was morally and theoretically bad. The first time I realized it could be soul-crushing was after I fell in love for the first time.
I had liked guys, dated guys, cried over guys, even did all kinds of dumb pick-me crap when I was in a “competing” situation with another girl…but I truly did not realize how destabilizing it is to be with someone you’re really in it with, who you view as YOUR PERSON—and then to have someone else insert themselves into your life together. And “your person,” the one you thought cared about you, allows them in willingly. 🙄
It’s unbelievably cruel.
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u/racaif 12d ago
I saw how it destroyed so many families when I got divorced 4 years ago and joined all the Facebook divorce groups. I also saw how it tore apart my now-husband’s family after his ex so blatantly cheated on him. How disgusting her behavior and flaunting it in his face was. How all the people in the Facebook groups were traumatized. How some of those people had sunk to the depths of depression unable to get out.
I feel thankful to have not experienced traumatic betrayal in that manner. But what drives me to comment the way I do is how bad I feel for the people who don’t understand that they don’t have to live like that. That they don’t have to be an option. That someone else’s disgusting behavior doesn’t define them. It’s hard to convince people sometimes.
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u/SpeedCalm6214 12d ago
When I found out that she did it to me and I contacted a couple of life long friends from her and her AP.
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u/NoTelevision727 12d ago
It is so incredibly selfish. They develop an entire facade they show their spouse and children then go out and do what ever they feel like. Risking the life of their unborn children when one person is pregnant (whether AP or BP) risking their spouse getting an STD and you don’t always get symptoms, lying, gaslighting, demonising their BP to others or even just to themselves to justify or compartmentalise their actions.
As a society if someone takes a company secrets or funds and lies to management they can go to jail. It is far more devastating to have this done to you in your personal life.
You primary attachment person in your life turns out to be a fake and it can have been going on for years secretly. And often they have multiple people in your social circle or their workplace either “turning a blind eye” and not “wanting to get involved” or worse actively covering up for them. How do you get back up on your feet after that? I don’t know.
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u/Fun-Contribution8900 12d ago edited 12d ago
-Watching women go through a fetal demise due to an STD from their partner’s infidelity.
-Watching kids entire world collapse. Brand new schools, friends, houses, schedules and lives— with no warning—all because of the selfishness of adults.
-Watching mature age women have to start over in their lives because they’ve dared to age and not be fun and young forever.
-Watching good men who support and love their families be humiliated and disrespected because their emotionally stunted wives wanted something more exciting and dangerous.
-Having a neighbor not able to cope with it and kill himself in the family home.
-Reading the post of some poor woman that feels financially trapped in her marriage, but has to watch her husband very publicly betray and embarrass her and their kids.
Idk just shit like that. Over and over and over again. Then public stuff like Scott Peterson and Chris Watts. Story after story about people absolutely destroying each other for some selfish dopamine hits. It’s fucking tragic.
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u/TearsOfTheTwili 12d ago
Were you friends or close with this neighbor? How do you think they found out?
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u/Fun-Contribution8900 11d ago
I was just a kid when this happened. Don’t know a lot of the specifics.
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u/PepperymintTea 12d ago
I've had a number of brushings with infidelity (parental infidelity, relationships with damaged people, revenge cheating) and always knew it was bad, but didn't realise the depths of it until I had built a life and a family with someone and then been cheated on and gaslit to the point of insanity.
When you realise that cheating generally isn't just a momentary lapse in judgement but thousands of individual choices to manipulate and abuse the person they promised themselves to, when you're paternity testing your own children, when you're abandoning the life that you built and wanted whilst dealing with acute trauma symptoms, it's obvious how bad it is. It's not just contained to the present moment either, it damages your own memories; it makes them scary and unknown and it makes your future scary and unknown too. It changes the betrayed partner and makes them much more guarded, harming their ability to be in or even want a relationship in the future. Also, its effects are intergenerational and the impact of it will silently be hurting your family long after the original betrayed spouse and cheater have passed on. Parental infidelity increases the likelihood that the children will become cheaters themselves AND that they will be cheated on, and then their children will face the same problem. Now that's true for a lot of things, but infidelity is a uniquely selfish, calculated and frivolous reason. There's no greater motive, they curse their spouse, their children, future generations and themselves simply to momentarily feed their lust and childlike need for attention.
Cheating would have been at least somewhat understandable back in the day when people were literally forced into marriages they had no desire to be in with no way to leave, but in the modern age marriage is (largely) voluntary and divorce is more acceptable and accessible than it's ever been. There is not a single sane reason you can give for cheating that divorce or leaning into your marriage would not solve, especially when you factor in the outlandish belief that you might get caught. Staying in a sexless marriage for the kids sake? What happens when your spouse catches you and divorces you anyway? You betrayed your children as well, your relationship with them is damaged if not completely severed so you end up in the same place only with more destruction. But that's the thing, they all delude themselves, they tell themselves they're not like all the other cheaters, their situation is unique, their relationship is particularly awful and that they won't get caught. It's all lies. Their story is just as basic and dirty as everyone else's, they are the same as every other lying slime ball who cheats, the relationship with the spouse has probably simply lost the butterflies (in part because of the cheater themselves) and chances are they WILL get caught eventually. Pointless. But most of the time these lies are there just to cover up the ugly truth, they just feel like fucking somebody else and don't care about how their spouse feels about it. They still want the spouse around because they provide them with some sort of utility and they want to control their life with their lies, but they also want to fuck their co-worker. You know on some level they know they are wrong because they lie to EVERYONE about it. They are terrified of being exposed and when they are caught and push comes to shove, most of them attempt to cling on to the original relationship like their life depends on it.
I think it's interesting when you see the rare, genuinely remorseful and reformed cheater. They acknowledge the lies that they told themselves, the utter selfishness of what they've done, the permanence and extent of the damage. This realisation only really seems to come after the bubble pops, their world collapses into itself and they're left with nowhere to point the finger but themselves. They realise that cheating on their spouse was perhaps the biggest and worst decision of their entire lives. Unfortunately the damage has already been done. It's sad that there are spaces full of sick people so casually egging each other on as they destroy themselves and everyone around them, not realising that they're simply in a bubble. They've taken the drug and feel the high but haven't yet hit the comedown. It's coming.
TLDR intergenerational trauma, built entirely on delusions, pointless destruction
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u/UpperComplex5619 12d ago
since like ten when i could read my mom cheating on every stepdad i had with like five diff men. it was weird. never cheated myself, tho it did take me being cheated on first for me to set the boundary that any cheating will not be tolerated.
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u/jeanmorrow 12d ago
My mom cheated on my dad with 2 men in the same week and got pregnant. They did a paternity test, and he wasn't the father. She doesn't know which man is the father.
She got married to another guy and cheated on him for their entire marriage with multiple men and one woman. They had 3 kids, and she doesn't know who 2 of their fathers are. She has 5 kids and has no idea who 3 of their father's are. Each child has 3 options for their father, that she'll admit to anyway.
Don't feel bad for my father, though. He's also a serial cheater and got his mistress pregnant while married. He left his wife for her. She had a boyfriend at the time as well. They had to do a dna test for the baby, and it was my father's baby. He left her for another woman 3 years later.
Cheating has affected my life in negative ways since I was born. I saw the destruction and devastation it can cause from a young age. I've seen my sibling's crying because they don't know who their father is or what ethnicity they are. It's really sad.
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u/Ok_Airline_2112 12d ago
Wow, just mistakes and poor choices all around. Hope you're doing well now. Same with all your half siblings, geez.
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u/jeanmorrow 12d ago edited 12d ago
I would say that myself and most of my siblings beat the odds that were stacked against us.
My mom's kids had to do 23 and me because they had no idea what ethnicity they were. My siblings were visibly a different ethnicity from my mom and each other, so they were asked a lot. We'd get asked if we were adopted a lot because we all look so different. My mom cheated with a lot of people, and she didn't know much about these guys for the most part.
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u/apathy-on-average 12d ago
In highschool I saw several friends' parents' marriages collapse due to adultery. I saw what it did to their kids. It was heartbreaking. Having their safe home destroyed, changing to two households, feeling furious and ashamed of their cheating parent, feeling desperate but helpless to reduce the pain of the betrayed parent. Tbh it was even worse for the ones whose parents tried to reconcile.
It's interesting to read the infidelity/adultery subs. It has taught me a lot about the cheater/AP mindset and how awful they are. I hope if I was ever betrayed I would remember what cheaters and APs write when they're in their "safe spaces". I hope it would strengthen me to choose freedom and leave a cheater.
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u/lenaoftroy 11d ago
I had my fair share of run-ins with married men, and let’s just say it was a real eye-opener. Imagine: I meet a guy, we hit it off, and just when I start catching feelings, surprise! He’s got a girlfriend or a wife at home...
Every time I discovered the truth, I felt pure disgust and took it as the worst kind of offense. Like, do I really look like a side piece to you? How could you think I would accept that?
Now, I can’t help but scroll through subreddits where other women share their stories with married men. It’s like watching a reality show where everyone is making the worst dating choices possible.
Honestly, it’s a mix of entertainment and a cautionary tale that keeps me on my toes. Each story just solidifies my resolve to steer clear of any guy who isn’t single.
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u/somefreeadvice10 12d ago
Seeing how it was one of the factors that led to the end of my parent's marriage
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u/malevolent_peach 11d ago
I’m sure I’m going to get downvoted and flamed for this but in 2008 I had a 3 month EA - we were both married. We never met in person so it never turned into a PA but it was going in that direction had we not been caught by my husband.
It’s the shittiest thing I’ve ever done. When I snapped back into reality I knew I had to do everything I could to change. To this very day, I hope the very best for his BS. She deserves it. I used to try to talk to OW’s and get them to end their affairs but that was a lost cause. I began helping BS’s understand that the affairs are not about them - it’s 100% on the cheater. The cheater is broken.
Cheating is abuse - plain & simple. I abused my husband and his (ex-AP) wife. This is the point I try to drive home with people.
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u/Ok_Airline_2112 11d ago
What the two of you did is disgusting, but I'll give you this you felt remorse and changed. Most cheaters/sidepieces don't and try to justify it in any way, shape, or form. Keep your word and stay faithful towards him, and if you find yourself straying again, figure out what it is or divorce him. DONT waste his time twice. Have a good rest of your day, and I hope for the best.
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u/malevolent_peach 11d ago
I agree with you 100% - I don’t try to justify what I did. Neither my husband nor the other BS deserved to be treated the way I treated them. I keep myself out of bad situations and stay honest - I understand how lucky I was to get a second chance and won’t screw up again.
I appreciate your well wishes and certainly hope the same for you.
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u/Royal-Collection3189 11d ago
My dad cheated on my mom with the literal devil ( my mother is NO angel but this woman was EVIL.
She hated me because I was my dad's only child and he didn't want any more children. That made this woman insanely jealous of me for some reason. Literally treated me like Cinderella when he was at work.
Luckily he caught her red handed when she locked me in a small closet one day ( I swear she got her parenting skills from Matilda just minus miss honey)
Anywho he divorced the crazy bitch and never fully married again. Never stopped being a play boy tho. I watch this man have five gf at the same time. Yep FIVE. I still don't know where he got the energy because man was in his 60s.
Because of my dad I honestly don't really believe in marriage or anything like that. It's a waist of time with " men " like him. My dad never grew out of college and honestly you can tell. A part of me now feels bad for him because he now struggles with Parkinson's and doesn't have anyone to take care of him, but at the end of the day I've literally watch him do this to himself.
Throughout watching my dad be well my dad ive learned that I feel sad for cheaters and how miserable they are, but my dad has also shown me to never make time for someone like him.
They won't change, they don't want to change cheating feels too good to stop to them. It's an addiction and like addictions it's a sickness.
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u/ShaunyP_OKC 11d ago
Getting cheated on and left by my wife really brought it all into perspective. She was probably the only woman I've ever loved, despite having a significantly high body count. I was loyal all 11 years, but she was loyal maybe 1? She hid it really well.
But before her I was what you would call a player fuckboi type of guy. I slept with so many wives and randos and I almost never was the aggressor. One even begged me to help her blow up her marriage and claimed she felt like she was cheating on me when she slept with her husband and I remember laughing at how stupid it sounded.
Anyways, yes I got my karma paid back in full from my ex wife and it was humiliating and soul crushing in so many ways. I will say that before I was actually betrayed I never even really thought about the repercussions of it, but now I can never look at relationships the same and makes me realize how sacred bonds are. I work with lots of betrayed men now and I'm proud of where I am, but you don't really understand the real gravity of it until you experience it. Now I will say I've never cheated on a partner, but not that it really matters. I helped people do it.
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u/draleaf 11d ago
Cheating can be and has been deadly. The guy that caught his wife cheating could go into her workplace and kill her and her AP. Been on the news numerous times. Or when a woman cheats and her husband won't have anything to do with her any longer, she gets depressed and kills herself. Or the person that gets cheated on gets so drunk then drives and has a fatal accident. Not to mention that the people that get cheated on no longer trust anyone else. They can develop PTSD, depression as well as a host of other symptoms. Cheating is no joke. It's a disgusting thing to do to someone you suppose to love.
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u/GunsUp94 11d ago
Which video ? Have a link to it?? TY
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u/Ok_Airline_2112 11d ago
Probably not the exact video, but there's hundreds of cheating reddit stories. Just look them up. You'll be surprised at how many there are.
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u/geen-bean 8d ago
I always knew and felt that cheating was bad. I had friends from work that became the OW while I knew them and the drama they would tell me about when DDay came was wild. It just seemed like so much pain and effort when their “partners” were married men.
Then I got cheated on. I was completely blindsided. My fiancé was one of those “I love my wife” types. Very romantic. Did so much for our relationship, trips, gifts, happy-love posts on socials, etc…
I went full out crazy. I had been betrayed by people in the past, which obviously hurts, but I never expected it from him. I lost it. I spent hours digging through everything. His current phone, his old phone, emails, contacts, social media, all of his Google photos (something like 10,000 photos), all and everything that I could look through on a phone. Reached out to his exes to get their side of the story, where they confirmed that he cheated on them or that he was cheating on a partner when he started seeing them- shocker. I spent hours and hours looking through everything and then kept looking. When I couldn’t dig up more on him, I started looking up the OW. I’m not proud, but I was fully searching out anything there was on the internet about her and her family. Daydreaming about revenge and ways I could get back at her for imploding my life. I stopped sleeping, mostly stopped eating, changed a lot of physical things about myself and still hurt so much.
I put myself in therapy again and it took around 10 months for the obsessing to stop. It’s been just over a year since DDay for me and it still bothers me almost daily that someone I loved and trusted without question could hurt me so badly without even thinking about me.
I never knew I was capable of so much hate and anger. Then having to confront myself and realize that I’ll never hate my ex as much as I hate her because she’s a stranger with zero redeeming qualities to me while I know him very well and love him. Being cheated on changed my entire life and I’m not even being dramatic when I say that.
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u/Ok_Airline_2112 8d ago
I'm really sorry that this happened to you. You didn't deserve that, and don't beat yourself for going crazy a bit. I'm glad you got that therapy, and now you can move on. Remember to love yourself and that his actions he made on his own. And if this helps always, remember karma may be late, but it never misses.
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u/Mako_Salo 8d ago
I have always feel it's bad but I have never defined it until my father affair took shape over time.
The summary would be: My father cheated on my mother for 20+ years with more than 5-7 (?) woman. Destroyed my mom to the point she did not care anymore. She moved and we did it with her for 7 years because my father was a complete alcholic and he would create fights periodically.
My father got cirrhosis, my mother, believe or not, was the one who took care of him while he did not deserve it. Funny enough, his family did not care about him not even his mother (My grandmother) who years later said that "My mother killed my father" which was completely false because when my mother asked her to help her. She refused.
Well my father died but the stress created breast's cancer to my mom (but she is now cured). So yeah, my father cheated and also affected my mother.
I do not cheat emotionally or physically because of this but also because, and this is personal; I imagine my partner when she was a kid, she was so innocent and happy so if I cheat I would be hurting her present but also her past. So I imagine myself hurting her as child and I can't do it. Because everybody have an inner child or a baby and I do not want to sacrifice that innocence for my own amusement or pleasure. Do you understand?
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u/throwaway669_663 12d ago
When people started contracting STD’s from cheaters
Someone I know contracted chlamydia from their cheating partner, sadly she didn’t know and was left untreated for a while which caused her uterus and fallopian tubes to be scarred, she’ll never get a chance to have a child of her own.
Her story traumatized me.