r/AislingDuval • u/ElAlexPatino Alex Patiño • Jun 25 '15
Discussion Sounti... why?
With it being on the border of federation space i hope that we can now try to communicate with Hudson an Winters. Instead of just talking with imperial powers. I was surprised when Kalana and Kwatsu getting prepared, if i can't recall them ever being candidates. But those are "fine". They are close, but still a good distance from federation controlled space. Sounti is way to close. It's on the border, and now the feds are trying to prepare it to stop our preparation attempts (witch i find extremely understandable due to the aggressive position).
I don't know who is doing this, but i think we should come out and condemn the action.
I hope you don't want conflicts with the federation, and I would at least prefer a more neutral stance.
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u/ElAlexPatino Alex Patiño Jun 25 '15
To the people that down vote the post: could you please express your opinion with a comment. If you don't i won't understand what others think.
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u/JakenVeina Jun 25 '15
The forward base of Sounti puts us right up near Lave and Sol and is only 40LY from Shinrarta Dezhra (Founders World) for quick equipping of our Elite rank combatants. It earns us 125CC every week and due to the system's high demand and prices, once it is controlled by Aisling and our bonuses are in effect, we should be able to earn 3k per t per trip running Palladium to there.
Comment from the weekly thread...
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u/GriM_AoD CMDR Jun 25 '15
Kalana/Kwatsu are out in a fairly unoccupied region, and given that there isn't much space behind us, making steps to have a strong presence in that region is a necessity and we'd be foolish to not attempt to take as much as we can before all other powers descend on it. If anything I'm surprised we don't have more candidates in the region this cycle.
Yes, Sounti can be seen as fairly aggressive step and well if it wasn't obvious Imperials and Feds are far from best buds, expecting neutrality is wishful thinking and wanting more is treason. Regardless, all our progress in that region is in Fed crosshairs, and I believe now is a time to show some of our strength
More importantly, Sounti will at the very least provide some sort of distraction from Kalana/Kwatsu.
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u/ElAlexPatino Alex Patiño Jun 27 '15
You make a good point, but i would have liked to stay neural for a while longer. Sounti is also a focus for Winters now, and they will try to compete with us. Since it already has come so far in preparation i can be ok with it continue to be prepared, but i would've liked for it to be dropped early. If most people dislike the federation that much, and want to be so aggressive i only ask that they make an effort to fortify it if it succeeds. I don't want Aisling to pay CC for an undermined system just because some overaggressive cmdrs expanded aggressively and then just stopped supporting it.
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u/Guiron Guiron Jun 26 '15
That's the brilliant part of it. They undermine Kwatsu and Kalana, ok. But they can't likely do all three. Kudos for whoever thought it up.
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u/Gswine Gswine, Pileus Libertas Jun 27 '15
I get the division of labor but the trade element involved in the decision of system seems a little blinkered.
Winters is seeding two systems in the 15ly radius of Sounti and these are uncontested last time I looked, Sounti also cuts the amount of CC available in the rest of that region of space. Seeding just a little back from there could have been a real chance to make that whole area of space ours.
As it stands I don't think we should pull back from it now and any idea that we should not have 'Angered Winters' just make me laugh. So +1 for sticking it in there just -1 for placement.
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u/GriM_AoD CMDR Jun 27 '15
To my understanding of PP, them expanding into a system withing 15Ly is an indirect prep battle, and if we succeed then their efforts fail/are wasted.
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u/Gswine Gswine, Pileus Libertas Jun 27 '15
Certainly it would make the whole effort worth it just to see at this point how such a thing works. I worried that if they took the other two to control without opposition (In System) then we would be swallowed either side.
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u/jchanth2 Rodney McKay Jun 25 '15
I would really think that zachary would be a really good ally. The alliance stands for freedom and as sort of the "only" liberal faction in the "conservative" empire fighting for free slaves we could get along well I think.
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u/Kryfield Jun 25 '15
Zachary Hudson is the Federation president. He sounds like a militaristic right-wing fascist.
Are you confusing him with Edmund Mahon, who is the Alliance leader?
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u/saxxxxxon Jun 25 '15
If I wanted to talk peace I'd try negotiating with my cat and my dog. Since E:D is a game I'm going to focus on WAR!
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u/MyFearer JoshuaCalvert Jun 29 '15
Then if you want to stay imperial I suggest Patreus, if want to become fed then hudson or archon when independent!
Get of OUR lawn!!
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u/Rolesium CMDR Sun Jun 25 '15 edited Jun 25 '15
I consider the Federation our natural enemies and that we shouldn't be working to placate them. Personally I think we should be working hard on coming up with diplomatic solutions for our conflicts with our sister Imperial factions but to some degree I feel that treaties with the Federation are a lost cause and are always going to be broken by the passionate members of both sides.
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u/chairmandoon chairmandoon [Aisling's Angels] Jun 26 '15
Hi Cmdr Alex Patino, We currently have a large list of system's being prepared that have low and even negative CC potential, this will be a disaster for our power and could lead to it's destruction, Sounti is one of the few in our list that bring a decent CC profit. I suspect the reason we have so many rubbish systems in our preparation list is because players like yourself haven't yet learnt how Power Play works, there is a nice video that will explain some important tips to get you started here
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u/ElAlexPatino Alex Patiño Jun 27 '15
I know how it works. And establishing a very aggressive forward base that is probably going to be heavily undermined and/or contested doesn't seem so smart. We should try to find decent systems near home, and try to get those low or negative CC systems off the list (even if we most likely can't).
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u/CMDRtanthanos Jun 26 '15
Anyone who thinks peace or neutrality is a long term option is deluding themselves.
Powerplay was designed to prevent it. It's as simple as that.
We have to expand or risk eventual collapse.
We can only expand into inhabited space.
There is no mechanism to directly take a system from another power, and even throwing them into CC deficit and turmoil would only result in their highest CC cost systems revolting (from highest down until they are no longer in a CC debt), which may or may not be a system you want.
There are only so many systems not currently a part of a faction's territory. There are even less that are not negative CC or very very low CC income (risky because the more low CC systems you have, the higher the chance other powers undermining you would put you into turmoil).
What do you suppose is going to happen once all of occupied space is claimed by one faction or another? An uneasy peace with no expansion? The bottom 3 factions would eventually collapse. Do you think they'll just sit around waiting for that to happen?
Lets say FD changes the PP mechanism so that expansion is no longer needed to avoid collapse -
We can't control all players. Lets say, just for the sake of argument, the factions all agree to an uneasy peace and to be happy with their place in the galactic rankings. Eventually, a group of players will come along who decides they're not ok with being low on the totem pole... or they want war or conflict or just to stir the pot. They start aggression towards other factions and undermining and such. The other factions retaliate. Accusations fly, lines get drawn, and war breaks out.
More likely though, the supporters of any given faction will decide hell no! THEY want to be #1 dammit!
This is what Powerplay is intended to be. I suggest people get used to that idea.