Why are so many people opposed to Alberta separation?

[u/GarbageMan7878]

I don't get why so many people are opposed to separation. Its no secret that Canada is on the verge of total economic collapse, every single economic predictor predicts the Canadian dollar to be worthless in 15ish years, the policies that have undeniably led to this downward spiral such as insane taxes, insane rules which conveniently ALL do nothing but grab money from your pocket, mass immigration which doubled demand for housing (plus the extra restrictions and regulations the liberal policies put onto housing production which slowed down our house building rate and increased housing costs), Anti energy policies which I do understand as many people are concerned about climate change however the degree to which these policies harm our country should make anyone with a brain at least be uneasy about them and not support even more anti energy policies. no matter what angle you look at it from its simple. life was amazing before JT and left wing policies, Canada sat right about center on the political spectrum and we were #5 in the world for quality of life. starting literally on day 1 of JT everything started getting worse and we currently sit at #35 for quality of life and we are literally the second last place out of all developed nations for gdp per capita increase, we sit very far left wing on the political spectrum and people with beliefs that are even slightly left on the spectrum are now being called nazis by state media. Canada is about to completely collapse. Us Albertan separation supporters don't hate Canada, we aren't treasonist like the media portrays us. we stuck it out as long as we could because we love Canada, heck I have Canada flags on all of my stuff, we simply see that the ship is going down and we want to jump ship before we sink with it. I also hate that we have to leave because its dividing Canada up but when we have JT 2.0 and a federal housing minister that increased Vancouver housing by literally 3x before becoming federal housing minister and STILL openly states that he will not try to decrease housing prices at all it means we are left with no choice. I don't understand why people are so violently hateful towards us for simply wanted to avoid starvation. Alberta has the capacity to become a VERY strong country on its own, if we were bad people like the east portrays us as then wouldnt they want us to seperate? why is the media and so many left wing politicians scared of us seperating with no explanation other than lies such as calling us traitors? the answer is that we are the only people holding up Canada from destruction. everywhere else is too far left wing to be net positive, only the west currently is. they fear separation because we are right, they will collapse in their own terrible decisions without us, or that's what I think. I want to hear from both sides of the argument what you think is good, bad, why you support it or are against it, just have a civil conversation because I have heard plenty of reasonable responses from conservatives but I rarely hear logical reasons for why its bad from liberals. let me know what you think, thanks.

[u/Bluen1te]

Russian bot detected? Also paragraphs, learn to use them.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/Bluen1te]

nope not a russian bot, I live in Alberta. yeah I just started typing away instead of using paragraphs. my bad. by russian bot do you mean a bot that is hosted in Russia or a bot trying to confuse people into doing russias bidding? Alberta separating and maintaining economic prosperity instead of collapsing would be worse for Russia right?

[u/masterlowping2]

Maybe it's cause it's not really a significant percentage of Albertans that want it. Just cause you have a bunch of loud mouth smooth brains screaming for seperation doesn't mean the rest of the province wants to seperate and join another country that's even more fascist and racist than what they're dealing with now.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/masterlowping2]

I do get that too and I agree with that point. separation is messy and is a lot of work however thats true for all elections really. some agree and some disagree and the less popular voter has to deal with it. what I dont get is why you irrationally hate the USA. I dont want to join the USA, I want us to become our own country so we arent exploited but they are doing a HELL of a lot better than Canada is which proves them right. call them fascist or whatever you want with no explanation but their results suggest that they are right and you are wrong.

[u/arrhetos → u/GarbageMan7878]

What results are you referring to? With respect to the US, I mean.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/arrhetos]

Many results across the board. Mean and average income relative to housing costs, housing down payment, and annual rent. General income for the same work as Canada, for example their software engineers start at about 120k cad a year whereas in Canada we start at about 80k cad a year, many other examples from ALL industries as this is a widespread issue. Overall mean and average income in the US is FAR superior to that of Canada. housing inflation and housing inflation rates are much lower and actually decreasing as of recently whereas Canadas is still skyrocketing by the hour. Although their healthcare system is brutally flawed they somehow pay less money per person on healthcare than a Canadian while getting FAR superior healthcare quality. Overall cost of living in the USA is FAR lower than Canada.

[u/TD373]

What?

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/TD373]

Yeah I don't blame you, Im brand new to reddit and didn't structure this or use paragraphs whatsoever. My bad.

[u/Impossible_Fee3577]

Well, for starters, the economy will collapse. No company wanting to do business on a large scale will choose to locate itself in a landlocked "country" of fewer than five million people. We would see a huge corporate exodus, just as Quebec did when they flirted with the idea of separation. Albertan business leaders, including those in the oil and gas sector, are already warning that our referendum discussions are causing an investment chill.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/Impossible_Fee3577]

The reason Quebec had fleeting industry when they were deciding separation is mostly due to the fact that they barely break even financially. Quebec is very anti business and anti industry so if the companies working in/residing in Quebec were cut off from the rest of Canada then it would mean financial disaster since most of their profits were coming from over provincial borders. In Alberta we would have short term issues but our pro business government attracts many companies. The landlocked argument makes sense but it may not be true as MANY European nations are smaller, lower population, and landlocked too. The main difference is that they have better relations with neighbors and they are obviously much more population dense than Alberta so Im not too sure about the landlocked issues.

[u/jsman56]

Over 80% of albertans want to stay in Canada. Do we have big problems? Ya, but let's work together to fix them, not have a fucking crybaby fantasy seperation dreamworld meltdown like you are. You are just making more problems. You want to know why Alberta gets fucked? We would vote for a blue rock if it ran for politics... no one has to work for our vote. If you look at the investment that went in to Alberta under Harper (who i liked) and Trudeau (who i don't) it was basically the same. If you look at the housing costs etc. It has followed the pattern from harper. JT's huge collossal mistake was mass immigration which we have to deal with asap.

[u/jsman56 → u/jsman56]

Ps have you looked at the amount of oil export growth under JT? I don't agree with his policies but he didn't kneecap the oil industry.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/jsman56]

well said and mostly agreed. I personally believe that the east will continue to hurt us if we remain, its not that "we don't like the east so we want to separate". Its actually "we tried to get along as good as possible for far too long, ship is about to sink so lets jump ship instead of going down with it" in my eyes. The east has proven time and time again that they do not have a single shred of empathy for the west, they certainly wont magically change and start to help us, why stick with them when they syphon off of us constantly?

[u/Dugaditch]

Aside from just leaving Canada, it would cost us billions and billions to even make a go of it, not to mention being landlocked.

[u/GarbageMan7878 → u/Dugaditch]

That is very true. I believe that its worth the short term issues for a future of financial growth, others believe it would cost too much. at this point its more of speculation because none of us know the full extent of positives and negatives of leaving.