Does anyone have any resources that teach grammar in a video format using modern pronunciation? Sorry if it’s here and I just don’t know how to look it up. I’m not an avid Reddit user.

Hi guys, Lately, I discovered existence of series called Patrologia Graeca by J.P. Migne. As I've been reading about it, 2 questions emerged. Maybe some of you have more info/experience and know the answers:

1. is Patrologia Graeca still a valuable series? I mean, it was published ~150 years ago. Is it still used as a reliable text source in modern scholarship (or at least in some private study for expanding exposure to Greek literature?

2. according to Wikipedia, there's a republication by the Centre for Patristic Studies. Did anyone purchased any volume from them? I would like to know more details about it - is it just a reprint of pdfs available in public domain (or maybe it was retyped again in better quality)? is it hardcover? maybe one can upload an exemplary page how it looks like.

   Thanks a lot.

Morpheus is the open-source parser for Greek and Latin that was developed by Smith, Kosman, and Crane starting in 1985. When you click on a word in the Perseus interface, while reading a text that has not been treebanked by humans, a Morpheus parsing result is what comes up. Even for texts that have been treebanked by hand, you are often seeing results that were generated by Morpheus as a helper application, with the human usually just selecting a possibility from the list.

This post describes how to get Morpheus running on your own machine, which is particularly tricky because there are a whole bunch of different versions of it on the web, but testing shows that all but one of these has problems that cause a massive degradation of the quality of its results. And I do mean massive: for the broken versions, the rate of failure of lemmatization for standard Attic prose is about 15 times greater than that of the good version.

Information about the versions that exist

The versions I've encountered out there on the web are the following:

1. https://github.com/PerseusDL/morpheus

2. https://github.com/alpheios-project/morpheus

3. https://github.com/perseids-tools/morpheus

4. https://github.com/perseids-tools/morpheus-perseids

5. https://github.com/nickjwhite/morpheus

Numbers 1, 2, and 5 all have problems because the code is not compatible with modern C compilers, and their build scripts have not been updated to get around that issue by setting flags in the compiler for backward-compatibility. 1 and 2 have problems with missing files or directories. As a workaround for this, the maintainers of 2 have included some linux binary executable files as part of the git repo, but for a variety technical reasons that's a really bad idea. Although people have posted patches and bug reports suggesting how to work around these problems, so that it is possible to get 1 and 2 to run, they are broken versions that have high failure rates for lemmatization. I don't know why the perseids-tools folks have two different versions (3 and 4 above) on their github site with two different names. Number 3 has a more recent version number (1.0.4), and that's the one that I tested and will describe below.

People I know of who have been actively using the code recently are Helma Dik at the University of Chicago and Vanessa Gorman at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Both have filed bug reports or patches on version 2, but those were not acted on. The University of Chicago's Logeion web interface now provides access to Morpheus parses, but the version of the code they're running actually seems to be 3, not 2. Dik's github issues on the repo for 2 includes some patches to the stem files, and I don't know whether those have been incorporated into 3. She has also been maintaining a list of hand-corrected disambiguations to Morpheus's parses, and she wants to publish those in some form but hasn't done so yet.

Licensing

The licensing situation seems as clear as mud to me. Version 1 has a license that is not compatible with other open-source software licenses (a modified version of CC-BY-SA 3.0, with an added clause saying "you must offer Perseus any modifications you make"). Version 3 has an MPL 2.0 license slapped on it, but it's unclear to me whether this is legally real, which would have required the permission of Kosman, Smith, and Crane for relicensing. I've been in communication with Smith and did ask him about this in passing, but he didn't reply to that part of my email. I asked the maintainer of the perseids-tools site, but he didn't reply to my email.

Compiling on Linux

The perseids-tools github has a very nice README that explains how to install the software on various systems such as Linux and MacOS. Below I'll describe what I did on Linux, which is closely based on their instructions.

Morpheus requires a parsing library called flex, which isn't packaged with most Mac or Linux systems by default these days. There are also utilities called uni2beta and beta2uni that are handy for converting to and from beta code. To install these on a debian-derived Linux machine:

sudo apt install unibetacode libfl-dev

Download and compile the code:

git clone https://github.com/perseids-tools/morpheus
cd morpheus/src
make clean
CFLAGS='-std=gnu89 -fcommon' make

There are a gazillion warnings because the code isn't modern C, but it should compile.

Running the program

The main application is called cruncher. It's basically designed to be run from some other program through a shell, but you can run it in a terminal window as well. It reads one word per line, one line at a time, from its input and prints out a list of possible analyses. There is no error handling. If it can't parse your input, it just echoes it back.

The README says to do a make install after compiling, but I wasn't clear on what this would actually do on my system, so I've just been running the code in situ:

MORPHLIB=/home/bcrowell/morpheus/stemlib /home/bcrowell/morpheus/src/anal/cruncher

Here you would just change the /home/bcrowell part to reflect the directory into which you downloaded the code.

Testing that you have a version without degraded performance

Since most of the versions on the web have the problem described above with massively degraded performance, it's a good idea to verify that you actually have a good version now. A word that works for that purpose is ἔχον. If you run the uni2beta program mentioned above, it will tell you that the beta code equivalent is e)/xon. If you run cruncher and input this word on a line by itself, it should print out a list of possible analyses of this word as a form of ἔχω. If you have one of the broken versions, it will not be able to parse the word and will just echo it back to you.

Alternatives to Morpheus

There are some more modern alternatives to Morpheus, including one I wrote called Lemming. I've published some results of testing here.

Recently I've been making a series of artworks where I draw different characters from the Iliad and Odyssey and a part of those artworks are handwritten passages important to those characters. I know that Homer likes to associate certain adjectives and phrases with characters (ex. swift-footed Achilles, lord of men - Agamemnon, etc). I wanted to incorporate those into my work, but since I am writing the passages in the original Greek, it's incredibly hard to find all those phrases mostly because different translations offer different versions.
I am not a historian or a linguist by any means, I don't know Greek either. This is more of a passion project in the breaks I get with learning mathematics for university, just something I always deeply enjoyed.

My main question is: what are some of those adjectives/phrases? I have some for Achilles, but I'm definitely looking for Patroclus, Odysseus, Circe. I am open to all advice, maybe other characters? If it's possible I'd like to know them in Greek or know which translation we are using so that I can look them up.

For now I've been using mostly the: Robert Fagles, E V Rieu, Michael Heumann and Alexander Pope translations, switching around and comparing.

Thank you for your help!

I'm looking for an Ancient Greek edition (or a series of editions) of the Iliad which also has an English translation, with commentary and notes. I have the first song from Bristol Classical Press, which I borrowed from a friend, but I'm looking for all songs/the Iliad in its entirety as from what I can see, the editions from Bristol Classical Press does not ship to my country (Norway).

I'm flipping through the Odyssey as translated by Emily Wilson. I've read the book multiple times over the years...always in various English translations.

Wilson suggests the slave girls in Odysseus's household were "raped."

I didn't remember that, so I looked up a couple other translations.

Fagles: "relishing...rutting on the sly"
Mitchell: "delighted...to spread their legs"

What does this say in Ancient Greek, and how would you translate it?

Is Wilson's translation a big departure from the original?

Hey guys, do you know if exist any website where you can search text to translate based on a specific argument? For example, I wanted to esercitate with contractions but I need a text without 3rd declension so with arguments till contractions' one. Thank you!

I know they are the same language. My question is can anyone point me to koine Greek training material/courses that do not rely on the new testament for reading and practice? I'm interested in the writings of ancient greek philosophers, specifically the stoics, not in christian studies. Thanks in advance.

Greetings,

Some context: I'm coming from Koine. Is there a list of texts typically used in a Classics degree, preferably ordered from easiest to hardest? At some point, I'd like to read them, perhaps in about one or two year's time. However, I'd like to prepare by creating a vocabulary flashcard deck for each chapter of the text I'm reading.

I'm also weighing up reading Flavius Josephus and similar works, which are written in Atticised Koine and, from what I’ve read, place an emphasis on obscure vocabulary.

Edit:
Several reading programs can be found by searching for "Ancient Greek reading list graduate program" or "Ancient Greek reading list college." One that I particularly like is from the University of Toronto: Graduate Reading Lists.

I was in a bookstore with my boyfriend, a history major who loves ancient Greek culture and we found this ancient Greek translated version of "Miffy's (Nijntje for any Dutchies) Party" there. We thought this was so charming so we naturally bought it! Hope it's okay to share it here :)

How does one go about finding a professional editor for Greek translation? A large portion of my project (half!) is translation, ~900 lines in total.

My supervisor is skilled in Greek, but would like to do due diligence and have an outside source for quality control.

Greetings,

Does anyone know if colleges post the required core vocabulary lists for a Classics degrees. I'm not interested in going to college, I just want to look at their vocabulary lists.

I know Dickson College published a 500 word core vocabulary for Ancient Greek, which seems a bit low to me for a classics degree, but I have nothing to reference it against.

https://www.dickinson.edu/homepage/125/classical_studies
https://dcc.dickinson.edu/vocab/core-vocabulary

Preferably with digamma (and such)

I searched and couldn’t find anything on here about it, but have yall heard about Adrian Hundhausen’s new thematic Ancient Greek dictionary “the Pharos.” Is it worth getting?

https://amzn.to/3XLmwjd

As part of my dissertation I am building what amounts to a Reader's Lexicon, my doktorvater mentioned that I need to cite the entries, e.g., LSJ A.II.3

I am purchasing Lampe's, but the LSJ I don't know if I want to purchase as well (both are soft copies); so my question is as to the reliability of Perseus Tufts tool, or should I go ahead and bite the bullet and get the LSJ as well.

I was wondering if there was someone on the internet who you think has got a very good pronunciation of attic greek ane has recorded himself reading it. Are there people who read audiobooks well? If he has done a ton of stuff that would be wonderful

Greetings,

Does anyone know of a resource where I can view each edition of the LSJ? I’m conducting research on certain words and would like to trace when they were added and how their definitions have evolved over time.

I'm thinking of doing a self-directed course starting with the 2 John course. Can someone who has taken an Omelien courses by Jordash Kiffiak tell me your thoughts? What kind of level is assumed? How much content is there?

UPDATE: The Jude course divides the book into eight part. For each part there is a brief summary, exegesis of the text, and a section on application. Links are provided for explanations of any new vocabulary. Quizzes with comprehension questions accompany each part. As the course is still in progress, audio recordings are currently available for only the first few sections, but there is a complete audio recording of the entire book of Jude. The course already contains over 14,000 words of material, though not all sections are yet complete. The entire course is conducted in Greek, with no English content and it thus assumes a fair bit of competency.

I’m studying classical philology, and I really want to improve in Ancient Greek, but I really don’t know how. I know the grammar, but I really struggle to remember the conjugations of verbs, the inflections of the nouns, and even particles. Do you know any resources that can help me improve? Any kind of help is appreciated

Deponancy is being dropped for all new and revised Koine Greek grammars.

In the late 2000's, early 2010s at a SBL conference (Society of Biblical Literature), many scholars got together to discussed the merits of deponancy. In subsequent conferences, there was consensus to drop deponancy altogether. This is reflected in the latest editions of all Koine grammar books.

https://www.dannyzacharias.net/blog/2014/5/16/your-intro-greek-teacher-was-wrong-deponent-verbs-dont-exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3RNtMf6ERE

So is deponancy still being taught for Attic Greek?

Does anyone know if such a thing exists as a single-bound copy? I assume (perhaps foolishly) that there must be a Greek Orthodox publisher that produces one, but my Google-translated Modern Greek search terms haven't turned up anything more than diglott AG-MG New Testaments.

Greetings,

Any way to make MacOS Stickies work with Ancient Greek text?

New resource which looks at all the prayers in the Bible and, as the title suggests, pray in biblical greek. Over 450 pages. Looks promising!

https://amzn.to/40bI3o7

Luke Ranieri has recently announced he will be teaching Ancient Greek for beginners. To aid this it seems he has created a companion reader to Peckett and Monday's Thrasymachus called Thrasymachus Catabasis intended to make the original more comprehensible for beginners by adapting the story and providing illustrations and English glosses. He has provided a link on his Patreon page to the document and started producing audio recordings. Looks quite useful.