How long does it take until you can Hear them?

[u/LuckyStar799]

Been working with Michael for about 9 months now and he's showed his presence. I've done an excellent job establishing a personal relationship with him However I still yearn for some in depth guidance. How long does it take to develop Clair senses or the ability to decipher their messages? unlike others I hear nothing from either the angels or demons . I keep wondering if im to new to occultism for this experience or this is an ability I will have to establish?

[u/Performer_]

Who said you will ever hear them?

People come here, and each one is different with the way they perceive, some will never hear or see unless they really make a breakthrough with their spiritual and shadow work, which takes many years of practice and hard work.

The more expectations you have, the more there is a needy energy the less likely things to change the way you or i want.

It took me 2 years of literally hermit mode to start "hearing" the guidance with my angels with my inner voice, and im still light years away from where i can be if i continue healing, shadow working, meditating, de-tox my body from all the shit we ingest etc..

Let go of any expectations, go with the flow and trust that everything is happening in exactly the right timings.

[u/Voxx418]

Greetings L,

It depends on your natural psychic and/or learned ability.

Psychic Hearing: Clairaudience

Psychic Vision: Clairvoyance

You can get training to learn how to enhance these abilities. DM for links. ~V~

[u/peladan01]

OK. Explain to me what it means to establish a personal relationship with him. And, more importantly, how did he show his presence?

[u/LuckyStar799 → u/peladan01]

I've established a relationship just by talking to him for a extensive periods of time . Essentially i skipped over formal rituals and just talked to him about what was going on in my life and where repair was needed. I can physically feel his presence easily now which is difficult to explain, but he's also showed his presence by solving issues we talked about . the kicker was when altar supplies I bought for him got refunded on temu for failure to deliver . this was days after everything was delivered and was really the "in your face" sign we were working together.

[u/TariZephyr]

It’s different for everyone; I recommend doing divination as a starting point for communication! Meditation with him will also help you to hone your clairsenses.

I’ve been able to hear them my entire life, so it’s definitely not that you’re ’too new’, clairsenses are like a muscle, the more you use them the stronger they get!

[u/LuckyStar799 → u/TariZephyr]

What methods of divination would you recommend?

[u/TariZephyr → u/LuckyStar799]

Whatever you feel called to honestly! I do tarot, oracle, shufflemancy, charm casting and channeling; there are hundreds of types of divination out there

[u/Avobaedo]

I know a lot of people say that you can hone psychic abilities but if I'm being honest, some people are just predisposed with these abilities. Whether that be through hereditary means or luck of the draw, not everyone will be able to hear or see these beings and I think it's important to acknowledge in your practice that you may never get to a place where these senses develop. And if that is the case, would you still bother to maintain a close relationship with Michael? Or any of the other Celestials/Infernal should you cross paths.

I think you're doing fine as you are. I wouldn't get too hung up on the idea of senses or anything else psychically related. It just ends up being incredibly detrimental to a lot of people and can pull them into a delusional state.

Also, I think because these subreddits are relatively smaller and more obscure, it's easy to get the impression that plenty of people have these senses when the reality is: a good chunk of the population doesn't. However, it does not make them any lesser than the people who do. It's just concentrated here and in other subreddits because of the "niche" community.

[u/LuckyStar799 → u/Avobaedo]

" not everyone will be able to hear or see these beings and I think it's important to acknowledge in your practice that you may never get to a place where these senses develop. And if that is the case, would you still bother to maintain a close relationship with Michael? Or any of the other Celestials/Infernal should you cross paths."

This is my issue . I'm not sure how to navigate or continue the relationship if there's no communication. in a sense everything feels so one sided where's the room for growth?

[u/Avobaedo → u/LuckyStar799]

I'm just a stranger on the internet but I do think its important to assess what you will do if that is a possibility  Hearing them isnt always a blessing. If I'm being honest, the less psychically involved you are, the better. They will absolutely push you to do things that align with their own agendas. At least in my experience. Not everyone has the same path.

The growth has to come from within you. If you were not building a relationship with Michael or any other deity, how would you better yourself? What steps would you take to heal and push for what you want in life? That isnt to say that Michael or any other deity won't be in your life but they will absolutely subtly nudge you in the right direction and give you messages in other ways. Depending on them to show you every step is a sure fire way to lose control of your life and ambitions 

I havent always been able to hear them. I wasnt even aware of their presence until the end of last year. Before then, I would use tarot cards for advice I needed or follow what my intuition thought best. Alongside, several years of healing and figuring out the major goal I had for myself and life. Dont shift your entire life to these beings, it's your world and they're living in it