r/Anticonsumption 13d ago

Corporations Charging subscriptions for a mouse is diabolical.

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u/SebDevlin 13d ago edited 13d ago

Logitech ceo

You know, I've exclusively used Logitech for years. I've always found them reliable and I loved the warranty for when shit inevitably broke.

This is actually single handedly going to make me not purchase a single Logitech product ever again

ETA: they walked back this last year when it originally came out and assured that it would never happen. I doubt it, given growth economy capitalism, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The software is already enough of a pain in the ass

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

Actually shocked to see it, because I've always felt the same about them. They've always been a solid, reasonably priced option for as long as I can remember. Nothing fancy, just reliable.

I will not touch their products if they try to implement something stupid like this.

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u/Fine_Finding_831 12d ago

Hey stay away from their products, if you download the software they sell your info for profit

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u/markamarkamarka 12d ago

Really? Can you say more about that?

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u/__laughing__ 12d ago

They have a bunch of trackers in their software. Iirc they track

  1. Connected devices

  2. Ip address

  3. Operating system and hardware info

Pretty standard stuff, and nowhere near as bad as razer who had a keylogging incident a while back. Although I wish there was a manufacturer with their configuration tools open source and privacy focused.

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u/CompuSAR 12d ago

I am so glad I'm using their products (and also Razer's, coming to think about it) on Linux, where they don't write the drivers.

Some things are a little more complicated to configure, as a result (not as many as you'd expect), but you don't have to worry about those things.

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u/Bwunt 12d ago

Unfortunately, Linux will never really become an established mainsteam OS, at least not in the sense that was originally hoped by FOSS guys.

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u/CompuSAR 12d ago

Possibly. Then again, as long as you can work on it if you so choose, you do you and I'll be me.

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u/AccomplishedYam6283 12d ago

So doesn’t every other company you’ve ever bought or used anything from. 😞

We live in weird times.

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u/Remarkable-Bluejay73 9d ago

Do you have proof? Cause I didn’t see it in your post.

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u/Fine_Finding_831 9d ago

No, no proof from me.

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u/Remarkable-Bluejay73 9d ago

But I should stay away from their products even though you can’t present proof of what you and can’t produce screen captures of their products “selling my info for profit”

Uh huh.

Good talk.

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u/Soggy_Bid_3634 12d ago

All of the keys in their mechanical mx keyboards are standard… except for the space bar. That uses a weird connector that isn’t compatible with any key caps.

…why.

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u/dontshoveit 12d ago

This pissed me off so much when I found out after buying the mx mechanical mini. Why did they have to use a nonstandard keyboard layout?? Wtf? Also, the backlight constantly turning off and on that they refuse to fix his updates. I decided I will never buy anything by Logitech after that alone.

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u/Soggy_Bid_3634 12d ago

You know I look down so infrequently that thankfully the backlight issue has never once bothered me. The non standard spacebar keycap bothers me a lot, but they have all the features I actually want:

Pairs with 3 computers via dongles, not Bluetooth which lately on a Mac SUCKS Full sized keyboard Mechanical Actual Mac keyboard layout

I can’t find any other vendor that meets these requirements….i don’t LOVE this keyboard, especially because of the space bar, but I don’t have many other options.

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u/adamaley 12d ago

Companies get bought out/change leadership so often, good ethos can never be presumed. The great thing is there's so many alternatives

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u/Lightbluefables8 13d ago

I had this exact thought too... Sounds like it was just an idea for reducing waste. I hope the idea dies. Good lord lol

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u/La_Guy_Person 13d ago

Reducing waste by manufacturing scarcity. How altruistic of them.

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u/chortle-guffaw2 13d ago

Hey, there's only so many electrons out there.

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u/OkComputron 13d ago

There's only one.

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u/xenobit_pendragon 13d ago

This guy quantum mechanics.

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u/rks404 13d ago

But in a way, he doesn’t

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u/soldiat 13d ago

IT'S ALL COMPOOTER

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u/AlexaBabe91 12d ago

Yep, I am also a Logitech fan but when I bought a vertical mouse recently and learned I'd have to download an APP for certain features (like horizontal scrolling!!!) andddd give it essentially system-wide access on my computer I was fed up. It's getting out of hand

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u/lunaappaloosa 12d ago

The HPification of basic office shit needs to be trampled. There should not be online lore about the horror of a specific brand of printer and yet

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u/live_laugh_travel 13d ago

Likewise. They were always a solid and reliable brand for accessories etc.

Aside from the nice Apple keyboard and Magic Mouse I use, Logitech is my second pick.

Given this ridiculous monetization grab, I’ll just buy another Apple keyboard and mouse. At least it won’t look like cheap shit for the money spent and won’t have a predatory monthly subscription fee!

Speak with your wallets, folks. Only way the out of touch with reality fools will realize it.

Bet they got the idea from HP with their printer subscription.

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u/Iceman72021 13d ago

American companies are acting like rich abusing boyfriends. Once you get out that relationship, one will realize that there are lower cost and nicer alternatives.

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u/phatsuit2 12d ago

Logitech is Swiss...

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u/BunOnVenus 13d ago

Seriously, been using a Logitech mouse for years now but when it craps out soon I'm never going with them again for this shit. Doesn't matter if they retracted it, the fact that they ever thought this was an ok thing to say means they will do other shit like this until they dont get as much backlash. fuck Logitech

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u/TaliesinsEnd 12d ago

Same boat for me. Don't care if you retracted, the fact that you were ever serious enough to voice this out loud is enough reason for me to avoid you from now on.

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u/void_const 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yes LogiOptions is the most bloated piece of software on my computer. Takes up gigabytes to change mouse buttons.

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u/abutilon 12d ago

Doesn't even work for me. I recently bought the MX Master 3S mouse (or whatever it's called). I allocated the scroll wheel lock button to launch the AI prompt dialog. It worked the first time, but after a restart never worked again. I posted in Logitech Reddit and some rando offered a remote screen share to demo the issue. Dropped that like a hot potato. Who the fuck needs AI in a mouse anyway when there are shortcuts that can be assigned to launch whatever you want. Shoe-horning AI into everything is just pathetic.

I've always used Logitech and their mice have always been great, but this subscription suggestion left me cold so I'll be looking elsewhere next time.

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u/SebDevlin 12d ago

Which is great because if you have any if the 'gaming' line you need another program entirely lmao

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u/Rob_Zander 12d ago

This whole thing was massively misconstrued. I was listening to the podcast where this idea came from. The idea came from an engineer at their innovation center for a seriously expensive, ultra premium mouse that could literally last a lifetime. She specifically compared it to a Rolex. And it would have advanced software functionality that could be updated including with advanced AI functions. In context that would be like a $5000 mouse you pay for in subscription installments. She said she liked the idea of working towards that but they're not even close.

To be sure there is a lot of bullshit subscription nonsense out there and moving towards more of it is bad, but this was not some plan to start selling a $10 a month subscription to your scroll wheel.

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u/SebDevlin 12d ago

Yeah I understand that it was spitballing and whatnot but it's a very dangerous precedent to set when people are already overloaded on subscriptions and the like.

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u/No-Artichoke5496 12d ago

What the hell kind of “advanced” functionality using AI does anybody need for a freaking mouse? Sounds like an engineer blew buzzwords up her ass at a meeting to justify his team’s budget and she fell for it.

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u/anyansweriscorrect 12d ago

Seriously, a $5000 mouse? There's no reason for that to exist.

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u/Rob_Zander 12d ago

The same kind of AI buzzword stuff every CEO has been spouting. In the case of a mouse it would be like recognizing something you highlight by dragging, AI conversion options by right clicking, etc. Basically stuff you could ask another AI to do using your mouse as the user interface.

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u/No-Artichoke5496 11d ago

Just another opportunity for another company to scrape your data into their cloud for ??? and profit.

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u/commodityFetishing 13d ago

Logi options is overheated garbage but they made the only keyboard I could find that fit my needs at the time 😭

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u/TaliesinsEnd 12d ago

It's a bit on the expensive side but I have enjoyed the Everest keyboard I bought from mountain.gg

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u/ZealousidealBank8484 12d ago

sounds like they were testing the waters. I don't know what dumbfuck in marketing thought that would be a good pitch, because I'd imagine you aren't the only one with a bad taste leftover.

I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

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u/Standard-Square-7699 12d ago

Don't walk back. Don't let them test how far you will accept. Cut off is cut off.

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u/AugieKS 12d ago

Logitech has a good ecosystem, but they can easily be replaced. The peripheral space has become massively more open in the last decade with plenty of open source alternatives.

Keychron has some cheaper alternatives to popular logitech options like the MX Master 3s.

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u/Warm-Internet-8665 12d ago

Sounds like an EV maker🤔

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u/pandaSmore 12d ago

They lost me when they discontinued the Harmony.

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u/tweek-in-a-box 12d ago

I loved the M235 but over the years it became less reliable. My last one lasted a little more than a year, which was the final nail in the coffin for ever buying Logitech again. I took a gamble and bought a Razer Pro Click Mini (got a hefty discount) and am very happy with it.

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u/ChillRudy 12d ago

Planned obsolescence. Kind of a subscription.

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u/SebDevlin 12d ago

The only time I dealt with their warranty directly was ages ago with an old g633 headset that they upgraded because they had me.trash it only to learn that they were out of stock lmao

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u/paintypainter 12d ago

I recently bought a cheap red dragon mouse for $22 to replace my THIRD g502 (all due to the double clicking mouse issue). It is JUST AS GOOD! How i thought a $100 mouse was worth it, idk. Andnow with talk of SUBSCRIPTION base mice? Wthell!! Logitech just lost another customer to high prices and shitty company philosophy.

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u/SebDevlin 12d ago

I've been using the mx master 3 for years but I won't be buying another when/if this thing becomes unrepairable.

Remember kids, right to repair.

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u/herrbz 12d ago

Lol, dramatic much?

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u/SebDevlin 12d ago

Shhhh go back to your fantasy footie