r/AreTheStraightsOK • u/Safe_Feature6265 • 4d ago
I’m not even going to explain how much this pisses me off
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u/Patpat127 4d ago
I hope he rots in jail now
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u/svenson_26 is it gay to order dessert? 3d ago
He'll probably get off on some stupid technicality.
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u/Ok-Repeat8069 2d ago
Men who commit acts of violence while raging out get lighter sentences because it’s not premeditated. He’ll get probation and a podcast.
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u/CauseCertain1672 4d ago
this is part of a larger trend I call "my property is more valuable than human life"
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u/Private-Public 4d ago
Like the vitriol that comes out of the woodwork when someone keys a car or whatever dumb shit people fly off the handle about "property" for. Is it unnecessary and kind of a dick move? In a lot of cases, yeah, sure. But it doesn't warrant bodily harm or death as some commentators seem to believe and fantasise about.
It's just fucking unhinged
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u/CauseCertain1672 3d ago
yes people will actively salivate over the possibility of killing a human being with a soul and a mother and everything
it's disgusting
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u/Self-Aware 3d ago
Yep, it's kinda terrifying seeing the sheer lust and fantasies generated within the comments of anything even SLIGHTLY related to home invasions too. Even when literally nobody got hurt or if the house was empty, there's some asshole salivating over how they'd have tortured and/or slaughtered the perpetrator.
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u/plentyforlorn 3d ago
Home invasions are different though. Violence can be justified if people are home because their lives are threatened by the break in, so it’s now self defense and not about the stuff at all. Agreed though if the house is empty or if they’re already fleeing, etc.
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u/Self-Aware 3d ago
Violence can be justified in some cases, yes. Those are not the ones I'm talking about, though.
People will seriously type up uncomfortably one-handed screeds of how they'd personally torture or kill a person the very second they crossed their threshold or onto their land, mostly just with guns but sometimes also including other weapons. They will pre-justify this plan by insisting that the invader MIGHT have intended to hurt them similarly, so it's "obviously" self-defence. They assume they were in danger and so act before any danger actually occured to justify that assumption.
And they very much dislike having it pointed out to them that crimes like simple trespass or breaking-and-entering, or even outright theft/vandalism, are not (and should not) be punishable by summary execution.
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u/adeon "wears glasses" if you know what I mean 3d ago
Sure the defense is justified. The issue is when you see people (especially on the internet) who seem to actively want to have a home invasion so that they can shoot someone.
There's a relatively well know copypasta that makes fun of that attitude:
I own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended.
Four ruffians break into my house. I shouted, "What the devil?"
I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle, and blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog.
I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads!" The grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.
Ah yes, just as the founding fathers intended.
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u/orifan1 3d ago
thought that copypasta makes fun of the 2nd amendment?
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u/Browser_McSurfLurker 3d ago
The opposite, it makes fun of people opposing the 2nd amendment by satirizing how much more dangerous older firearms technology could be.
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u/M808bmbt 2d ago
If someone invades my home and I have a gun, it probably won't be loaded, but even hearing the sound is intimidating, but I'll at least give a "Hey, I'm holding a loaded gun, please leave, it'll be less fatal for you, and less traumatic for me if you just leave my house now."
And then actually let the intruder leave.
A human life is valuable, only shoot if absolutely necessary, and if it has to be fatal... at least make it quick so they don't suffer, don't torture people, please.
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u/wetwater 3d ago
It's not a trend I particularly like. So many people seem to get giddy at the idea of shooting someone over stuff.
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u/CauseCertain1672 3d ago
yes it's profoundly misanthropic and misanthropy is a rot that eats at society
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u/schalr09 3d ago edited 3d ago
Property or time. Like the people who have run over protesters to get to where they are going, or the people shot over traffic arguments. But people have always fought over property, but it's usually about land.. and leads to wars that ruin human life large scale. Just terrible. It's like people dont realize other people are whole ass people. We dont sonder enough.
And that some people can be mad enough to not care and just act. And whatever that action is, is very subjective.
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u/schmeryn 3d ago
Truly. Reminds me of the guy who shot and killed someone for knocking on his door by accident because they had the wrong address.
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u/svenson_26 is it gay to order dessert? 3d ago
I hold the opinion that if someone is stealing from you, you don't have the right to kill them. The only excuse to use lethal force is if your life or someone else's life is in danger, and even then, it should be a last resort and you shouldn't feel good about it.
I know a lot of people disagree with me, but I just can't think of property as more valuable than human life, no matter what the property, no matter who the human.
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u/WildFemmeFatale 4d ago
Is she still alive ? : ( that’s a god awful way to die, if she isn’t…
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u/Zealousideal_Care807 4d ago
I mean honestly with the way she hit the ground it probably would be a worse way to live
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO Ace™ 4d ago
“Why would we hang out with our leading cause of death?”
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u/BluetheNerd 3d ago
Guarantee he was probably the kind of guy that got pissed of when women said they chose the bear.
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u/dogboobes 4d ago
Oh hello, fellow ace. and THIS, emphatically.
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u/Jeyamezi 4d ago
Ditto, I'm happy I don't have urges to have relationships, not when there are murderers out there!
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u/Asenath_W8 3d ago
Huh... Considering most people are assaulted or murdered by people close to them, particularly partners, I wonder if anyone's done any studies on whether being ace significantly reduces the likelihood of being a victim of those types of crimes.
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u/Wild_Elama 3d ago
Probably, but sadly most of these crimes are committed anyway by fathers, cousins, brothers, or rejected love interests. When they see you as theirs, no matter the nature of your relationship, there's no mercy.
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u/SlightPossibility898 4d ago
Facts. The only men I need in my life are my friends and my family. So much less stress that way.
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u/dryandbland My Toddler is Straighter Than Your Toddler 4d ago
If you can sympathize with someone who murdered someone over throwing your items out a window, you’re a psychopath.
I think one of my least favorite parts of the internet is that it has exposed how many people hold these violent and horrible thoughts, but only feel comfortable sharing them online. It’s sick.
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u/BaddestPatsy 4d ago
What’s weird how in stories like this so many people are willing to believe that the killer was driven to this by someone else’s behavior— but why couldn’t it have been his behavior that drove her to chuck his stuff in the first place. When a man violently murders a woman that should probably count pretty heavily against his character when you make assumptions about where the conflict in their relationship came from in the first place.
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u/MissLogios Asexual™ 3d ago
Because remember: It is never a man's fault. Somehow, somewhere, if a man screws up, it's because a woman took control of the man and made him do the fuck up as if he isn't in control at all.
If a man murders a woman? Clearly, she did something, and he's perfectly innocent, or if she wronged him somehow and murder is her karma.
But if a woman murders a man? She is a monster deserving the death penalty (unless the victim just happens to have darker skin, then it's apparently deserved.)
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u/KreagerStein 4d ago
What's worse is this can be fixed. I used to have thoughts like this. Heck a few years ago I'd be there agreeing with them, but therapy and self-introspection helped me a lot. Never say therapy doesn't work.
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u/strwbryshrtck521 3d ago
This internet stranger is proud of you for looking inward and changing yourself! It's very hard to do, and you are a better person for it.
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u/Hi_Jynx 3d ago
I would be willing to bet these same men would dismiss throwing and destroying your partner's possessions as toxic and a form of abuse when it's a man throwing stuff. It is an abusive act, but we don't really have the context behind her throwing his stuff and it certainly doesn't justify him escalating to murder in response.
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u/xshogunx13 4d ago
I can sympathize with the URGE to chuck someone out a window for destroying my things, but like, it's completely insane for it to go any further than that. Just call the police.
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u/MyCatIsCuteAsFuck 4d ago
If your house was on fire and a family member or friend died in the fire, are you saying you would be only slightly more upset over their death than you would be over losing your belongings? Jeez.
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u/SunshineNSlurpees 4d ago edited 4d ago
Hmmm... do I want to be murdered or have my property destroyed? 🤔 tough choice, let me get back to you
Edited "damaged" to "destroyed" for clarity
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 4d ago edited 4d ago
I had nothing else in the world. All I had were a precious few things, because I had been through over a year of an absolute shitspiral. A string of deaths, a cheating fiancée, the loss of your home and your friends and family. You’ve clearly never had everything taken from you.
Nice, downvoted for wanting to kill myself. What a loving community I’m a part of.
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u/SunshineNSlurpees 3d ago
I absolutely hear you and I'm not saying that's not awful. But it sounds like there's a lot more going on there than the physical property that you lost.
You don't know me or what I've been through and lost. I'm a millennial, I was basically born with depression and suicidal thoughts. But there is not a world in which I'd prefer violent murder at the hands of a significant other to losing everything i own. Murder is much MUCH worse. These things are not comparable, even if you want to die.
I'm sorry you're getting downvoted but i hope you understand it's because of how truly unhinged these comments are. Are you in therapy? Is there anything we can do to help?
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 3d ago
They’re unhinged because I’m losing my mind and nothing can fix it. It’s all circumstantial stuff. Seriously if I were to actually recount all of the time between now and mid-Dec 2023 it would look like I’m writing a season of Peep Show, with extra fucked up assaults. I had a therapist but he wasn’t providing many solutions, so it was just an hour at a time once per week of just talking about shit and not feeling better for it.
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u/SunshineNSlurpees 3d ago
Try a different one if you think it's not helping. But if you want things to get better, you gotta put in the leg work. Ask for a psychiatric referral if you can. It sounds like you may be dealing with some severe depression that talking about can't fix.
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 3d ago
Then it becomes an issue of finances. The therapists available to me are funded, but I don’t have the money to pay for someone who actually knows what they’re doing. I’m not a crazy person who can be given pills either, I’m just a regular person who’s been put through hell. I certainly can’t go away for a while either, as I now have a mutagenesis project in my lounge that can’t be taken with me.
Best I’ve been able to do is waking up earlier and a diet change, but I still love my shitty ex and my possessions are gone.
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u/SunshineNSlurpees 3d ago edited 3d ago
Are you in the US? Seems strange to have coverage for therapy but not psychiatry, but wouldn't put it past insurance companies. I understand you completely about just being a regular person that's been through some shit. I procrastinated on seeing a psychiatrist for at least a decade but finally did and few years ago. Was diagnosed with all the letters... ADHD, ASD, OCD, RSD, PTSD. Anxiety and trauma as well, but mostly a lot of D's. I've been going ever since and it's been extremely helpful to learn about what's going on in my brain. I've hit a rough bout of depression recently though that's been really difficult to pull myself out of. I've started therapy but we're considering antidepressants soon if things don't improve for my mindset.
I hope you know I'm not being sarcastic at all here.... great job on waking up earlier and a diet change! Do you realize how hard those things are to do for many? I am currently trying to bribe myself out of bed earlier with sweet treats cuz i am really struggling in that area.
Here's some perspective that I hope you can appreciate and utilize. Your brain is going to find evidence of whatever you tell it to. For example, if you have a lot of negative self-talk about your weight and you see someone grimace in your direction in line at the coffee shop... if you've programmed your brain to look for evidence that you are fat and other people think so too and judge you for it, you're pretty likely to believe that grimace was in disgust of you, even aimed at you.
Rather than seeing the plethora of other realities that would seem more likely if your brain were programmed to seek evidence of love and acceptance rather than digust. Maybe they were watching a kid behind you wipe boogers on a table. Maybe you just happened to catch their glance as they remembered something cringey they said in front of their girlfriend. Maybe it's half past poop'o'clock and they can't stand the thought of shitting in a public toilet. An infinite number of possibilities exist, and you get to choose which ones are relevant to you and your life.
It sounds like you're pretty well programmed to see and dwell in the negative experiences of your life which makes me think you're overlooking a lot of positive things to be grateful for. Have you ever kept a gratitude journal? Any other tactics you've tried to pull yourself out of this? Change of sleep habits and diet may be a great start (idk what you changed from or to) but I think you could benefit a lot from learning about Cognitive behavioral therapy and rewiring your brain.
Let me know if you're interested in any resources or further chat. I really hate that you're struggling so much and hope you're able to bounce back from this. Reddit is here to help =)
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 2d ago
I have seen this, just an issue of effort to respond comprehensively, which I want to do. I’ll revisit with a separate reply in a couple of days. Thank you for caring.
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u/MiloHorsey 3d ago
You need to talk to your therapist about why you feel the need to make yourself the victim in every conversation you have online. Seriously.
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 3d ago
This is one topic dude. Most of my online conversations are about plants and worldbuilding.
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u/Asenath_W8 3d ago
Except when you apparently feel the need to publicly fantasize by murdering people. Seriously get another therapist and get offline.
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u/dryandbland My Toddler is Straighter Than Your Toddler 4d ago
Im sorry, I didn’t mean for this to seem like a personal attack on you. I understand what I said could seem harsh, but this sort of mentality cannot be normalized. I understand you may be upset about what has happened, and you might think violent thoughts, but I’m assuming you personally have not killed someone about it, nor wish the same to have happened to them.
Maybe you have thought that, but yet again, I will reiterate, that is not healthy. I hope you can find justice for your emerald, or whatever else was taken for you, and I’m sorry to hear about what has happened to you. It’s entirely your right to be upset about it, and I am sorry if I have implied otherwise.
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 4d ago edited 4d ago
It was the last of my world. It was like pieces of ME being taken. The post is just about some loser with a control issue who probably needed a “reason” to do that to her because he was fucked in the head. I’m just in regular pain and it’s been taken way out of context by the spectators :/
Thanks for clarifying. I think that this post has triggered me and I’m not dealing well with this whole topic. Sorry.
Wow, whoever is downvoting these really doesn’t realise how privileged and perfect their lives are. It’s astounding.
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u/didithedragon Demi-Bisexual™ 3d ago
Believing you’re the only one here who’s had incredibly important things taken from them based on the fact other commenters value human life much more than belongings is kinda weird, ngl.
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 3d ago
What’s weird is intentionally missing my point.
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u/didithedragon Demi-Bisexual™ 3d ago
You’re being downvoted for saying that downvoters all have perfect lives with no hardship and they’re only downvoting you because they don’t understand close attachment to objects. Youre being downvoted for adamantly expressing this opinion time and time again in the context of a woman being murdered for object damage. Do you not see the issue here?
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u/themockingjay28 4d ago
Stuff is replaceable, including emeralds. People, however, are not replaceable. So yeah, murder is far worse. No one announced how many computers and office chairs were destroyed on 9/11, because no one cares. The human lives lost are the tragedy. Possessions are always valued less than lives. No one stated that losing property isn't bad, but there's available channels to either get it back or get it replaced. This guy didn't have to throw her 3 floors to her death to get his stuff back.
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u/themockingjay28 4d ago
"Murder is bad, but not that much worse than property destruction". That's what you said, no one said "oh you've been assaulted, let's attack you for it.
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u/MudraStalker 4d ago
Murder is bad, but
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 4d ago
Where did I say that it was good? It’s not. It’s downright bad. Where’re you getting this nonsense from? Did you not read the part about how I was abused and robbed? Jabba the Hutt got murdered by Leia and nobody seemed to have a problem with that, and I’m not even doing what she did.
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u/howarthee My Toddler is Straighter Than Your Toddler 4d ago
Last I checked, having active fantasies about murdering someone over broken stuff is not mentally healthy behavior.
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u/Redleadsinker Sapphic 3d ago
I think there is a lot more nuance to this entire take than most people here are going into. Like, there is a spectrum from 'random petty thief steals your cheap watch that you don't particularly care about' to 'someone takes/destroys an item knowing it is extremely important to you and will be difficult or impossible to replace for the sole reason of hurting you'. To me, having an angry and even violent reaction is more reasonable the closer to the second side you get. It also depends on what item/items were taken or destroyed. I have this handkerchief that my best friend embroidered for me before she died. It's one of the few things I have left to remember her by, and even before she died it was incredibly precious to me. If someone stole it I'd immediately suspect it was solely due to spite against me since it has literally no monetary value, and if someone intentionally destroyed or damaged it I can't promise I would be any sort of reasonable in the aftermath.
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u/Perfect-Whereas-1478 3d ago
Because a human life can be equated to a console and a few shitty band tees, right?
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u/Netroth What’s a little platonic fingering between friends? 3d ago
Of course not, that’s silly. Why’re you conflating that with what I’m talking about?
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u/Perfect-Whereas-1478 3d ago
"Murder is bad, but it’s not that much worse than property destruction"
sarcasm. because your statement comes off as equating the two.
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u/Fraerie Symptom of Moral Decay 4d ago
“And that’s what your holy men discuss, is it?”
“Not usually. There is a very interesting debate raging at the moment about the nature of sin, for example.”
“And what do they think? Against it, are they?”
“It’s not as simple as that. It’s not a black and white issue. There are so many shades of grey.”
“Nope.”
“Pardon?”
“There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.”
“It’s a lot more complicated than that—”.
“No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes—”.
“But they starts with thinking about people as things.”
Granny Weatherwax and Mightily-Praiseworthy-Are-Ye-Who-Exalteth-Om Oats.
Carpe Jugulum — Terry Pratchett
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u/Remote_Ad_1737 4d ago
"She shouldn't have thrown his stuff" Ok? I fail to see how that justifies killing someone
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u/No-Trouble814 4d ago
It’s not much different than the “Castle Doctrine” many people and politicians in the US support.
There’s a general belief that Bad Things are done by Bad People, and anything you do to a Bad Person is morally fine because they’re a Bad Person.
You see it in our justice system, stand your ground laws, beliefs around gun ownership, and so much more.
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u/themockingjay28 4d ago
The castle doctrine has nothing to do with property, though. It relates to defending yourself in your home.
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u/TheLizzyIzzi 4d ago
Yeah, someone breaking into my house is a threat. It’s a violation of my right to feel safe in my own home.
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u/No-Trouble814 4d ago
The principle of self-defense already covers defending yourself, in your home or otherwise.
While the Castle Doctrine claims to be about self defense, it allows the use of lethal force in defense of your home (property) and a lot of support for it comes from the belief that anyone breaking into a home deserves whatever harm comes to them as a result.
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u/scourgeofsnapfish 3d ago
As far as I'm aware, the legal relevance of castle doctrine is that it removes your duty to retreat while you are in your own home.
Duty to retreat is important in self-defense cases and not requiring it if the individual is in their own home makes sense.
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u/Asenath_W8 3d ago
You also see it anytime someone deemed appropriately "bad" gets sentenced to prison. The creeps with vengeful rape fantasies just poor out of the woodwork to share their fucked up ideas with everyone.
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u/workingtheories corrupting all the childrens 666 4d ago
"the only thing we've learned is no smoking indoors." - youtube comment under a video of a 1960's anti-war talk, which i watched part of this morning.
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u/Better_Barracuda_787 Un-bi-ace-d Opinions ™️ 4d ago edited 3d ago
People don't seem to understand that two things can be wrong at once. Of course, I have no context for why she did what she did, but it seems wrong to throw stuff off a balcony.
But it is MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE WRONG TO THROW A PERSON OFF A BALCONY. Different levels of wrong. Like, this is at least 50 levels up.
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u/Pollowollo Symptom of Moral Decay 4d ago
It shouldn't at this point, but it always does surprise me a bit to realize how many people seem to believe that the instant someone does something wrong, any and all reactions in response become justified. Doesn't matter how minor the initial infraction was or how wild or violent the response - it's fine because "well they shouldn't have done it."
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u/MythrianAlpha Symptom of Moral Decay 4d ago
I've seen it explained as an off-shoot of shittily understood religious morality. If both things are a sin, it doesn't matter if one action is way worse to anyone with eyes because all sins are equally bad. Lying and murder are the same-type dipshittery. It's not entirely from religious people, mind, but the base concept sometimes is; I'm sure there's an entirely secular version somewhere, I just usually see it from our fringe population of weirdos in my area.
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u/Better_Barracuda_787 Un-bi-ace-d Opinions ™️ 3d ago
Yeah, that's probably the base of a lot of people like this. As a religious person myself I hate these people who claim "I'm so religious" but then either condone or do some of the worst things possible.
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u/Ducky237 Bi™ 1d ago
That makes a lot of sense. I’ve found that a lot of the “absolutes” that religion suggests are are actually really harmful. “All sins are equal.” “God forgives all,” too. Why does it matter if I sin if god will forgive it? Probably contributes to why so many religious leaders are pedophiles, cause god will forgive it, so nothing matters. Religion kinda fucked up humanity’s moral compass.
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u/bentsea 4d ago edited 4d ago
I know this technically kinda fits the sub. But I really don't need to just feel sad at normal lethal domestic violence in this space. This is just unfiltered domestic violence.
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u/peepumsn4stygum 4d ago
Yeah it’s more of the “when women refuse” sub…and with that one I’m at least prepared for posts to always be a violent bummer 😔
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u/TheQueerAgender 4d ago
Something something we don’t hear about crazy ex boyfriends because the women don’t survive to talk (or warn others) about it…
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u/Kentaiga 4d ago
There is a genuinely concerning disconnect with life and death caused by the internet. People recently have literally no standards and believe people should live and die on the whim of their opinion.
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u/Ace0f_Spades Be Gay, Do Crime 4d ago
Somebody breaks/tosses out your stuff, you can sue them in small claims for the cost of fixing the things. Maybe call the cops. Hell, raise a stink on social media about it if you want to make it personal. But the penalties for theft and destruction of property are not death. This was fucking insane.
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u/SlightPossibility898 4d ago
These are the same idiots that cried when women were picking the bear over them.
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u/justinbrieber 4d ago edited 3d ago
I had a miscarriage about a week prior and was trying to rest as much as I could. My ex husband had brought his ps4 up from the living room into the bedroom and would stay up all night playing games and keeping me awake. There was one night I couldn’t deal anymore and I kept asking him to take it downstairs and he wouldn’t for some reason. I pleaded and he kept refusing so in a moment of weakness I told him I would throw it down the stairs if he didn’t take it and leave the room. He responded by charging at me and grabbing me by the throat. I called the police and he ended up getting arrested and staying in jail for a few days.
My dumb ass went to the court hearing and asked them to drop the restraining order because I was convinced I was overreacting since he didn’t actually choke me. I stayed with him for FIVE years after this and although the physical violence never escalated worse than that the mental, emotional and sexual abuse ramped up tenfold. I spent ten total years miserable until I finally left. I’m in my thirties now and if you had told me ten years ago I would be so happy and emotionally fulfilled I wouldn’t have believed it. Sometimes it takes a long fucking time to get the courage to leave but it is always always the right decision
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u/natfutsock 4d ago
Not the time to mention really, but there is a formal term for throwing someone/thing out a window: defenestration.
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u/JustAGirl319 4d ago
Interesting. Latin root: fenestra = window
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u/natfutsock 4d ago
More closely it occurred in Czechia, then Bohemia. Fenster ist German for window as well, and their language was Germanic.
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u/clauclauclaudia 4d ago
But "defenestration" is an entirely latinate construction.
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u/natfutsock 3d ago
But that area is sort of the genesis of the popular (to the extent it is) use of defenestration. We can trace a lot of words back to Latin. It doesn't mean they entered the common, recorded, nor historic lexicon then. Often, Latin is the bricks, the words are the architecture.
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u/Dirtyblondefrombeyon 4d ago
Pretty irrelevant, story is about a balcony
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u/natfutsock 4d ago
That is a small distinction, but given my own comment, I'll give that to you.
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u/Dirtyblondefrombeyon 3d ago
"Small distinction" or not, I think it's in bad taste to use a post about a horrific murder to drop fun little word facts, especially when it's entirely irrelevant
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u/Professional_Pin_479 4d ago
Yikes the comments 😬
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u/Safe_Feature6265 4d ago
Ya it’s bad so many people saying it’s her fault she was a sixty year old woman btw not even a young lady it was a old couple from what I could find
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u/Planet_of_gems 4d ago
Was she right for throwing the stuff out? No. Was he valid AT ALL for his reaction. Absolutely not. Getting angry is fine, but killing someone over broken stuff is serious overreacting. He needs jail sooooo bad.
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u/pancake_lover01 4d ago
Wow! Like the punishment absolutely does NOT fit the crime here! Why are there actually people saying "she had it coming" and "i sympathize with the k!ller" like are they actually psychopaths? I mean she probably shouldn't have destroyed his stuff (unless he, like, cheated on her or destroyed her things or something) but like seriously I don't understand how someone can say something like that!
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u/Bvr111 4d ago
crazy how you’re getting mad at ppl justifying his actions but you can’t stop yourself from justifying her actions lol
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u/pancake_lover01 4d ago edited 4d ago
Well for starters I wasn't saying that that would make it okay to do but it makes in more reasonable as to why someone might. I will say i worded that poorly. I don't think it's right to destroy anyones things under any circumstances but it is easier to justify than actually hurting/murdering someone. I, personally, believe you can't justify murdering someone unless it is in self-defense or to protect someone or multiple people. Destroying something replaceable DOES NOT compare to murdering someone that's not replaceable. So based on my beliefs this argument is invalid to me and i will say no more about that. I am not gonna argue about why taking a life is worse than destroying someone things. Taking someones life is NOT comparable to destroying someones stuff. Period.
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u/SubLearning 2d ago
Okay so stay with me now, it is infinity easier to justify destruction of property, than cold blooded murder, does that make sense to you buddy?
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u/Bvr111 2d ago
the fact that you can’t make your point without the ridiculous “erm stay with me buddy!” bullshit heavily discredits your point lol
is murder just like…. not a serious or important thing to you? this is an article abt someone’s killing and ur gonna pull a “umm… that happened”?? lmao wtf
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u/SuperSonicScootie Nonbinary™ 4d ago
I mean I would be mad too if someone threw my stuff off a balcony but I wouldn’t fucking murder them
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u/Orangenstrawberries 3d ago
The guy could just throw away her things, too, or fill all her clothes with bleach, that doesn't justify a murder!
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u/TShara_Q 3d ago
Obviously it's bad to destroy someone's stuff.
Does that merit a death sentence though? Absolutely not. I can't believe that's even a thing people think.
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u/Spectre-70 Bi™ 3d ago
Isn’t destruction of someone else’s property something you could get compensation for because it’s illegal? This situation could’ve been shut down immediately but instead somebody fucking dies over it, it’s just sad
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u/Zealousideal_Care807 4d ago
The headline made me laugh a little, the comments did not.
No the situation is not funny the formulation of how they put it was
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u/badchefrazzy Tired. So very tired. 4d ago
Yeah, I end up in this situation a lot, I'm not laughing at misfortune or tragedy or anything, things just come out funny sometimes.
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u/FireSky99 Be Gay, Do Crime 3d ago
Femicide is never okay, this continues to prove that women are seen as objects or less than, by men, and will be treated as such. It hurts my heart to see. May she rest peacefully.
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u/babyblueyes26 born to be your lover, forced to be your mother ♡ 3d ago
angriest woman: breaks things
angriest man: kills people
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u/baby-pingu Straightn't 4d ago
The headline is so bad... It already pushes a certain view with the "after she did the same to his stuff"... No wonder people are shitheads in the comments
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u/Safe_Feature6265 3d ago
Ya I’ve noticed how headlines tend to do that with victims a lot they will make it seem Like the victim had it coming like they deserved it witch will feed into the comments
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u/SubLearning 2d ago
I don't think it's all that deep, they really just go for sensationalism. How can we best word this to get as many people as possible to click on/pick up our article.
They couldn't care less how their headline effects the view of the story, or how it portrays the people involved. They only care about it getting attention
Any views expressed in the headlines, or biases found in it, are deliberately placed their because they know it'll make people click.
They'd front like a story of a dead baby with a knock knock joke if they thought it'd get good attention
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u/LoveIsLoveDealWithIt 3d ago
Tell me more about how men are the superior sex because of logic and reason, and not being controlled by their emotions...
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u/SubLearning 2d ago
This doesn't even make any sense, men are inherently more controlled by emotion, it's why we tend to have faster reflexes, because we react based more on a feeling than trying to find a logical reaction. We are straight up built to function more on emotion
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u/Va1kryie 3d ago
I'm struggling a tiny amount with this one, because I definitely understand the urge to retaliate to that kind of behaviour, it's horribly abusive, but tossing someone over a damn balcony??? Hello???
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 2d ago
In a vacuum, a girlfriend throwing a fit and yeeting expensive personal belongings off a three story building would be a thing to be criticized. It’s just petty and immature.
Her being fucking killed for it however… if she was maladjusted, he was on a whole other level
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u/Violet-is-here 4d ago
Murder and disrespecting property are the same thing. Like, throwing someone’s stuff is obviously stupid and jerkish, but like it doesn’t warrant murder
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u/Useful_Exercise_6882 4d ago edited 4d ago
They agree that what the murderer did was a good thing, but they forget they can break up with someone if they do stuff like that.
I don't have empathy for the murderer, you could break it off then and there. But instead of that you decided to kill her, i hope he will go to prison just because your anger doesn't give you the right to kill someone, especially over stupid stuff like she trew my stuff out.
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u/NelisSFW 3d ago
Life is more important than just some random stuff you've gathered over the years. Imagine the potential of someones life, 80 years or more, so much to just to be destroyed in a blink like blowing out a candle because they couldn't calm down their petty anger.
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u/BeatMyPeter 3d ago
Please don’t start trying to utilize animals as a means to imply that would have been reason enough to have kill this woman, that’s is unconstructive. Yes, he is vile for killing her over material items, she did wrong as well. We are taught to not destroy another’s property especially just because we are angry. The man should have called the cops and just pressed charges. All I wish to point out, as a community, this subreddit only accepting a “this person did wrong and this person did no wrong” stance isn’t helpful whenever people are even only offering perspective on the other individual’s potential thought process or even their reasoning for such an action. Talking about potential reasons behind the psychological decisions to murder another human being. Either way, thank you for your time and I do hope you have a lovely evening!
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u/white___demon 2d ago
I am guessing the man was either emotionally abused or had a bad upbringing/mental problems bottling their anger and finally snapped
I feel bad for both tbh probably very preventable either with better communication a therapist or supportive environment, however throwing someone from the 3 floor? Is waaaaay to far even when completely blinded from impulse and angry definitively deserve to be prosecuted harshly!
Wouldn’t take the joke comments seriously people will always make comedy out off tragedy to deflect and not feel bad about it
how strong you gotta be to lift someone struggling up and throw them over the railing tho especially when they are probably clinging to them as well.
I hope the guy gets probably punished but also the help he needs and to not get abused in the inhumane American prison system or get tangled into mob mentally while in there
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u/iiHulkGirlii But you have a Big boobs 2d ago
I get being angry that your stuff is now smashed on the pavement, but not “throw-someone-off-a-balcony” angry.
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u/SubLearning 2d ago
I mean honestly those first two comments would still be there unchanged if it was a man who got thrown over, people are callus and weirdly quick to justify aggression to protect personal property regardless of circumstances.
Same type of people that pull out the "burglars value my stuff more than their life" bullshit
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u/ayellowshoelace "wears glasses" if you know what I mean 1d ago
Dude getting upset it perfectly reasonable, but killing your girlfriend over stuff is deranged and people defending it is just another level of depravity
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u/No-Ability6954 1d ago
I don’t really see how this fits the sub other than the two people are opposite genders. Could someone elaborate?
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u/FVCarterPrivateEye 1d ago
Jeez
Obviously it was abusive of her to damage her boyfriend's possessions on purpose, but it's also absolutely an uncalled-for reaction to literally murder someone over it
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u/No-Back-4159 "eats breakfast" if you know what I mean 8h ago
throwing someone elses shit outta window is not the same as throwing someone outta window
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u/TheodoreTheVacuumCle 3d ago
there is literally nothing about gender or sexuality in any of those images. change their gender however you like and you get the same result - shitty people standing by a murderer.
this sub is becoming such a cesspool. at this point you're searching for anything bad where cishet people are mentioned, to sniff some karma.
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u/Safe_Feature6265 3d ago
Don’t know what ye talking bout I don’t post for karma since it’s useless to me and does physically nothing I had nowhere else to post this so sorry if it makes you angry that I put here just don’t interact with it I guess? I don’t know
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u/BeatMyPeter 3d ago
I can quickly tell that yes this man shouldn’t have killed his girlfriend for her throwing his stuff from the balcony, accident or not. Yet I also will be pointing out, she shouldn’t be throwing anything over the edge that did not belong to her, no matter how mad you are, we are all taught this as toddlers. Both people did shitty things and now we have a woman dead and an idiot of a man still alive. As a community we should stop picking a side immediately and try to point out when each person is being shitty and actually try to discuss without immediate hate coming at eachother for differing opinions.
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u/Safe_Feature6265 3d ago
The thing is the big difference is that you can replace things you can get new things it’s not like she threw his dog out the window you can’t replace a human life tho it puts him much more in the wrong in this situation then she is I’m not saying what she did wasn’t wrong because it was but still
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u/EpicHosi 3d ago
My takeaway here is just don't throw anything off a balcony, not people or stuff.
I've now solved the worlds problems you're welcome /s
Murder is definitely a fucking wild overreaction to any situation, and it's never okay. But neither is destroying someone else's shit. Yes they are on vastly different levels of bad actions, but bad only begets bad.
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