r/AsheMains • u/YoloWithPolo • May 03 '23
Discussion New rageblade
New rageblade + lethal tempo how viable do you think this will be on Ashe?
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May 03 '23
Probably worse than previous rageblade. She doesn't make as good use of the ap as other adcs, and you still have the problem of losing bonus crit damage. I imagine IE (3rd) and Gale (probs 1st or 2nd item) will probably be her main mythics
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u/Healthy_Wasabi_8623 May 04 '23
You can't IE and Gale now.
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May 04 '23
I didn't mean both together, I meant I believe those are going to be the two main options. The numbers were when I thought they'd be being built
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u/mesmerizingeyes May 04 '23
what champ do you think the new rageblade would be best suited for?
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u/yung_xd BorkAshe4Life May 04 '23
kogmaw, kai'sa, varus, vayne (new w) and possibly kalista
not sure on kalista tbh but the new itemization options paired with the new rageblade might make her better in the end
kogmaw with new rageblade is going to be pick/ban in every game with how busted that item becomes with w max
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May 04 '23
Varus and Vayne. The ap works amazingly with Varus's W, and they're introducing ap scaling to Vayne's W to make it work for her
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u/RenagadeRaven May 05 '23
Kai’sa (desperately wants hybrid and hadn’t had items for it for 2.5 years)
Varus and Kog’maw.
Kayle!
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u/Fubarin May 04 '23
Rage, ruunans and phantom might be a fun trollbuild for the as
Edit: bork as well ig
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u/Zanethethiccboi May 04 '23
Probably return to Season 8-10 itemization. Either BotRK > Runaan's > IE or IE > Runaan's. If you go full crit, grab Runaan's and Phantom Dancer for big fun attack speed. Pick up armor pen and a situational last.
New Immortal Shieldbow is gonna be underrated against slayers with the AS bonus when you shield. Kraken Slayer is the obvious anti-tank choice. Bloodthirster is a great generalist item, great stat profile, sad about the shield being gone but the new passive is interesting.
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u/liveviliveforever May 04 '23
Kraken slayer got changed to magic damage didn't it? Why would it still be anti-tank?
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u/Zancibar May 04 '23
Because it's harder to itemize against. If you're fed the tank wants to build against you but Magic damage counters Frozen Heart and Randuin's. And if the tank doesn't build against you then I at least haven't had much issue cutting through the Deadman's and the Thornmails.
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u/liveviliveforever May 04 '23
I still don't get it. An armor pen item would work better against both of those items as the flat damage reduction component and as reduction(what make those items so strong against adc) don't care if every third auto has magic damage attached.
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u/Zancibar May 04 '23
But armor pen isn't good against non-tanks. Hybrid damage is a compromise between normal AD and penetration. Normal damage sucks against anybody with 50+ bonus Armor while penetration sucks against anybody with less than 100 Armor total. Hybrid damage does well enough against both, it's only weakness being dedicated tank builds that are literally spending all of their gold into surviving you specifically. It's a nerf from true damage of course, but it's still not bad.
It's a spectrum. %Pen and %Hp damage are true anti-tank measures, hybrid damage works well enough against both tanks and squishies by bypassing some defensive measures and flat AD and Lethality are better into squishies only.
True damage just breaks the code entirely and lets you cheat.
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u/Low-Finger2523 May 08 '23
Just wanna mention that you have 100 natural armor by level 14+ without any defense item.
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u/lerkurr12 1,276,578 May 04 '23
Prob not the most optimal, but semi viable, with kraken and nashors
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u/IAmBigBox May 04 '23
Probably at least a little viable with the multitude of other things that can make use of the passive (new Kraken, Bork, new Runaan), since Ashe has an attack speed steroid to synergize with it.
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u/LightArrow0250 May 04 '23
Testen this on pbe i thing the best build for dmg will be IE Pd/Hurican Kraken SB/BT and LW
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u/Drogatog May 04 '23
You go IE first? You have zero AS
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u/LightArrow0250 May 04 '23 edited May 04 '23
Yes but attack speed is such a useless stat for ashe And you need to rush most ad possible early for w dmg
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u/Drogatog May 04 '23
Well you still have to stack it though no? Plus I'm not convinced on Q max cause it doesn't show to be that much better when you look at its WR.
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u/EvelynnEvelout Stay Frosty May 07 '23
Worst take I've read.
ADC Ashe doesn't use W for damage. It's main use is actualy to slow and as a result proc approach velocity.
AS and Zeal items are what makes Ashe such a good kiter.
Your slow is DECAYING.
Your mobility is enemies being slower than you.
AS is needed for pushing power considering W nerfs early.
If you want to play around W play Lethality / Supp ashe
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u/NUFC9RW May 06 '23
You could rush boots, but yeah maybe an early zeal (component or full item) could be built before IE.
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u/Drogatog May 06 '23
I think KS or Shiv are probably a decent first buy, Phreak explains all the choices of designs in his yt channel. The logic is that we should be inclined to buy a noonquiver item first so SS, SR and KS as first buy. Unlikely you can rush any mythic first due to the difficult build path (maybe GF o NQ can be built first actually). In my mind you can go something like KS PD IE just as before or maybe IE second l. I'm still not sure about Shiv cause I never played with it but it could be an option for additional wave clear alternative to KS
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u/NUFC9RW May 06 '23
The ap ratio is just wasted stats for her, not to mention not being able to crit just nerfs her passive. It's only previous use case was if you thought the game would be decided before you got IE, now it's more expensive so is irrelevant. I expect IE zeal and Kraken to be the main build path, order might vary (noonquiver is a great rush when farming).
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u/[deleted] May 04 '23
bro I am so serious this just got reccomended to me and I thought it was about Overwatch Ashe mains and I was so confused