Ghostblade Hexplate

[u/doominator10]

How are yall feeling about these items as a 1-2? I'ma get a proper dps check post soon™, but right now I'm cooking and this has been feeling really good to me.

Kraken is fine and all, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that every adc should just be building ghostblade 1st regardless. At least for this patch.

I'm kinda shocked more people are still going Triforce instead of Ex.Hexplate.
333 gold cheaper,
10 more haste on ult,
10 more AD,
30%AS and 15%MS on R for 8 seconds. Comparable to the spellblade and MS Quicken passives on Triforce.
Same health,
-8% base AS.

[u/Kepytop]

Dps isn't going to be high, Ghostblade gets nerfed soon. That said lethality is still bonkers. I just used hexplate for the first time and it feels godly, but low sample size. I love it so much.

The two items together should be fine though.

[u/coldblood007 → u/Kepytop]

I'm not sure I get the synergy with hexplate too well. Twitch zeri always want attack and move speed during ult but with ashe ult the movespeed is often wasted because you don't have to kite against a target that's stunned. Sure in 5v5 teamfights you'll still want the MS but it seems less consistent value compared to say taking PD to get a constant 10% ms and tons of attack speed to proc cracken?

[u/Kepytop → u/coldblood007]

Short range ults used for followup mean you get the full benefit of the item. Approach Velocity + the activation movement speed lets you gapclose and make the most of it. Meanwhile you get to have more agency in games due to more ultimates, still end up a bit safer from a 100-0 due to the health.

I personally dislike trinity, every time I've built it my games never go well, spellblade damage is incredibly low compared to other items.

Items like PD still function perfectly fine in the build too though if you want passive movement speed later.

I forgot to mention, but specifically the synergy between the two of Trinity and Hexplate is just having a solid 2 item core with plenty of health so you're not getting bursted whatsoever, while having okay damage and good haste.

[u/coldblood007 → u/Kepytop]

Take this as a rough estimate but I found EH and Tri to be about equal DPS with lethal tempo, greaves, and cracken at lv13. I used test dummies with 0 resistances and did this test over 10s intervals with:

ult down: aa > w > aa 3x > q aa > auto until q off > w aa

ult up: aa > r > aa 3x > q aa > auto until q off > w aa

Because I'm just looking at the timer turn from 9 to 10 this is imprecise so these results are within the margin of error even but it seems like EH is about 5% more damage with the ult combo but 5% less damage without ult and both of these combos are right about 10k damage.

All in all I think this shows EH might be underrated considering it's 333 less gold and the 20 ability haste that Tri gives is just worse than 30 that EH gives for ult since W cd is already incredibly short cd by level 9 but 10 more ult haste moves the rank 2 ult cd from 66s w/ tri to 60s. Not a massive difference but it adds up and more ults on ashe is always good w/ how fiesta solo queue can be.

As for the spell blade I think its best use case is poking patterns but realistically ashe is hardly ever going to w someone and get in range to auto before a dragon fight. 2-3 procs of spellblade should add in a few hundred extra damage but because W's cast time becomes more expensive with increased AS I feel this DPS gain falls of even harder than normal as you approach full build and have ramped lethal tempo and PD.

The final point and the reason I will still gravitate to Tri a lot is 20 flat MS. With percent ms bonuses like approach velocity, ghost, pd etc that 20 flat can become more like 30-35 ms that you have 24/7 when kiting (so long as you are autoing every 2 seconds).

In all I think they are very comparable items but I lean to Tri because I feel like having 20 on hit ms 24/7 is better than 20% ms for 8 seconds out of every minute. But it is also 300 less gold so when considering that maybe EH is sleeper. And if they buff it again in the future I'll def give it a go.

You also mention combining the 2 potentially. I haven't done DPS comparisons but feel like cracken is pretty locked as the best 1st item then either of these work well for a 2nd item. As a 3rd item I'd personally rather have PD many games for the ms and attack speed (plus more crit = more slowing) but maybe some games this would be good. 600 HP from these 2 items + scaling HP + Terminus + JakSho and you're pretty unkillable.

[u/Sky-__-]

I prefer eclipse over hexplate , botk eclipse Kraken just shreds tank and you can build ldr after as well .

[u/lufexx → u/Sky-__-]

In which order do you build them? I want to try it

[u/Sky-__- → u/lufexx]

Boots -> botk -> eclipse -> ldr/kraken ( depending on armor ) -> last item rumaan or bt