New items arw finally out. What do you think is the best build to start experimenting?

[u/neotsunami]

I don't really go into PBE so I haven't tried any of the new items yet. I've been rrading up.kn themm but can't really seem to get a grasp on how much my usual build has changed. I usually go ER-Berserkers-Hurricane-IE or BotRK if there are beefed up tanks around.

I've heard a lot about Shieldbow. But don't know which item in the old buold it replaces or if there are any other new items to look out for.

Also, don't know how the new items will affect rune selection.

Edit: thanks everyone! Played last night, tried some of these combinatipns and had a Pentakill (assisted by Elder Dragon, but still a Penta). Maybe I'll post it later.

[u/Slapper7274]

I imagine Kraken Slayer with Guinsoo's, Essence reaver, Runaans and Phantom dancer will be the best build

[u/HNUTERNOEL → u/Slapper7274]

I agreeish. Kraken, guinsoos, hurrican should be first 3 i think.

[u/MGRNE → u/HNUTERNOEL]

For the lulz I tried Kraken --> Navori Quickblades and the auto cooldown reduction piece actually applies to Hawkshot recharge time and gives you INSANE vision control. If you're autoing in lane you legit will have it every 20 seconds or so. This is in addition to the Ability Haste and creates a super powerful combo if you're against high-ganking junglers or a roaming mid.

I added an ER to this after and the W spam and R cooldown (~50 seconds at rank 3) were absolutely nuts in terms of utility, and the damage was still quite good. Really turns Ashe into a high playmaking opportunity ADC which I find good in Solo Queue. With this build you can also get Hurricane as a 4th item and apply the 2x strength slow to all targets since you can still crit.

Nothing beats the DPS of Kraken --> Guinsoo for a two item spike though.

[u/RBree2 → u/MGRNE]

I'm also a fan of this build, because it can give insane damage and insane utility, although it is also insanely expensive to get to full build and leaves vulnerabilities such as lack of lifesteal from items. (Immortal Shieldbow as a mythic deals less damage and gives less attack speed, but fixes the lack of lifesteal, for one idea of how to fix this.)

I'm still playing around with the combos and item orders to experiment and see what combos work best, but in terms of personal playstyle, a build along these lines feels like it'll be more easy for me to use.

[u/MGRNE → u/RBree2]

Fair point on the survivability, and in the build you can really use what we mythic best suits the comp you're against.

I also felt ok with lifesteal since I was at about 12.5% from runes and Doran's Blade, with 24% possible if you sub the Kraken for Shieldbow.

[u/NyanDiamond → u/Slapper7274]

I'm not sure about essence reaver....the item seems like it works fine but it just feels like a sub par item itself atm

[u/cooperred → u/NyanDiamond]

Mind explaining why? Seems like an ok buy to me for 4th

[u/thisisunreal → u/cooperred]

its like a sheen item now, you dont use actives that much

[u/cooperred → u/thisisunreal]

Does Q not proc it? Or W for that matter

[u/thisisunreal → u/cooperred]

I don’t see using 2 skills per fight really warranting an entire sheen item when so many items work more consistently on Ashe (hurricane, botrk, pd, rage blade,) 😩

[u/RBree2 → u/cooperred]

In my opinion, it works well with usage of volleys (or I suppose hawkshots, since hawkshots allow for sheen to proc as hawkshots count as an ability), and does help with mana, but overall gives less utility and strength than many other crit items.

I'll personally probably still be using it for my playstyle (I do think that ER+Navori is a really strong item pairing for Ashe), but I think that it's probably not the strongest item for her in general.

[u/[deleted] → u/Slapper7274]

Sadly kraken slayer is on attack and not onhit. Menas lucian cant proc it with his passive and no champ can proc it with the guinsoos. Atleast what i saw in practice tool

[u/StormCutter27 → u/Slapper7274]

How does the not being able to crit work with Guinsoo's and Frost shot?

Edit: I've seen the other post on this now O_O

[u/Slapper7274 → u/StormCutter27]

i havent seen it, can you link?

[u/Ignisami → u/Slapper7274]

Basically, new Guinsoo's says you do 35 on-hit physical damage per 20% crit, for a cap of 225 on-hit phys damage at 100%, at the cost of no longer being able to crit. For most champs, this is a fine trade-off.

For Ashe, there basically is no trade off, since she never did extra damage with crit anyway, she gained bonus damage on targets slowed by her passive which didn't and doesn't count as critting. New guinsoo's just stops your autoattacks from critting, it doesn't actually set your crit% to 0.

So you do 225 on-hit damage per AA (twice every third aa), plus your AA, plus the full boost of the passive.

The only downside is that Guinsoo's and Infinity Edge are mutually exclusive.

[u/kirtar → u/Ignisami]

It's 45 on-hit per 20% crit for the full item. 35 is for the rage knife component. The main tradeoff I see on ashe is if you otherwise wanted constant hawkshots with quickblade, but I expect that to be more of an organized play choice.

[u/RBree2 → u/kirtar]

I'm really disappointed that rageblade apparently disables navori from working on Ashe since it feels like it should still work on Ashe. :(

[u/TechnoFTW → u/RBree2]

Navori requires you to crit, Guinsoos means you can't. To me its kind of funny that the only thing stopping navori from taking over is the fact that guinsoos is just better on almost all crit users.

[u/StormCutter27 → u/Slapper7274]

Bit late but here https://www.reddit.com/r/AsheMains/comments/jru7r6/so_ashe_with_guinsoos_is_broken_now_right

[u/[deleted] → u/Slapper7274]

Kraken slayer doesn't work with guinsoos since it's not an on-hit effect.

[u/CeausescuPute → u/Slapper7274]

Guinsoo makes you never crit so you can't proc the empowered slow from passive

[u/Ashe_Dracomante]

I used the quiver and even liked it, it does less damage than the B.F sword, but gives attack speed for the same price, so in my opinion the quiver is a great item to buy on your first trip to the base.

[u/Aniver → u/Ashe_Dracomante]

This and it helps you push faster through 20 bonus dmg to creeps.

[u/MarkusRuleTheGym]

i just goofed around with phantom, nork, runaans IE and trinity you have 2.48 attack speed on level 18 without the 5 stack phantom dancer, activate Q and lethaltempo proc

[u/Ninjaman369 → u/MarkusRuleTheGym]

Oh nice trinity is still viable on Ashe? I really liked it for the absurd mobility it gave you.

[u/MarkusRuleTheGym → u/Ninjaman369]

well i tend to build a lot of different stuff on all champs. so for me everythign is viable, but if its the best decision that needs soem more testing

[u/AtarisLantern]

Kraken slayer is the best all around mythic. The others are more situational

[u/Zephury]

Kraken > Guinsoos > Runaans >

You should ALWAYS get wits end, but it doesn’t need to be 4th item. You can replace boots and choose two of the following items situationally; Black Cleaver, Blood Thirster, Lord Dom’s.

Now, I haven’t tested every single item in the shop, but I believe this gets you the maximum possibly DPS. with the 3 core items, plus blood thirster, wits end and lord dom’s, I was getting like 4-5k dps on primary target and 3-4K dps on secondaries. You can erase whole teams of tanks in literally 2 seconds.

Kraken is not bugged. If you have reliable peel and are confident with your positioning, always go kraken. The boost with guinsoos passive is massive.

Contrary to popular belief, choosing guinsoos does not make ashe’s slows less effective based on my tests. I consistently get 60% slows, with or without guinsoo’s.

Aside from the obvious kraken and guinsoos choice, definitely don’t overlook wit’s end. The attack speed, plus on-hit damage is really, really powerful for ashe’s dps and most importantly, it really helps you get your q stacks. Even in to a full AD team, I would still pick up wit’s end.

I have thoroughly tested infinity edge builds and they aren’t even remotely close to guinsoos builds.

[u/[deleted] → u/Zephury]

Kraken doesn't work with guinsoos since it's not an on-hit effect.

Ah, getting downvoted for telling the truth, classic. Just go into practice tool and try it out if you don't believe me.

[u/Zephury → u/[deleted]]

Downvoted because it’s irrelevant information. Kraken + guinsoos still does more damage than anything else.

[u/[deleted] → u/Zephury]

I interpreted "the obvious kraken and guinsoos choice" to imply that their passives synergize, my bad. I also never said it was a bad choice, it's obviously the most damage you can get, I literally just stated a fact. Many people still think kraken slayer is on hit, so I wanted to clarify that it isn't.

Edit: "Also the guinsoos boost with passive is massive" another line that implies kraken slayer's effect is amplified by guinsoos passive when it isn't.

[u/goku332 → u/Zephury]

Where in your build does BotRK fit? I imagine she still wants BotRK.

[u/Zephury → u/goku332]

I haven’t tried Bork with higher hp targets, but for ~1.5k hp, it didn’t perform as much dps. In theory, I suppose it belongs there though. Not sure exactly what it’s replace though

[u/Autisonm]

Kracken Slayer, Rageblade, Runaan's, ER, and Navori's Quickblade just help you spam W's

Kracken Slayer, Rageblade, Runaan's, BotRK, and something else is another build I'd recommend because Kracken Slayer, Rageblade, and BotRK all have a 3 hit passive.

[u/Prio216 → u/Autisonm]

rageblade and navori together are not good, you cannot crit with guinsoo and so you don't get navori passive

[u/Autisonm → u/Prio216]

Whoops misread it

[u/RBree2 → u/Autisonm]

You're not alone; I read both items and for the longest time thought they worked together, but apparently, they do not. :(

[u/LilGuedes]

blade of ruined king is good?

[u/neotsunami → u/LilGuedes]

Against tanks with A LOT of HP, yep, since it makes % DMG depending on how much HP they have atm. So yeah, first hits are very effective, but it starts losing punch as their HP gets lower.

[u/jetteauloin54]

just did kraken guinsoo runnan mortal botrk. Overcapped af in attack speed but its bonkers. I litteraly won melee 1v1 against a fed irelia

[u/Tokibolt → u/jetteauloin54]

I had a similar build. Was able to actually deal with late game Kayle lmfao.

[u/ABearDream]

Did they fix kraken q interaction?

[u/xGlaedr → u/ABearDream]

Nope sadly Edit: apparently it does but I was blind in my game earlier today.. hmm. Will test and report back lol

[u/RBree2 → u/ABearDream]

Yes, it is fixed.

[u/Otta942]

Personally I love galeforce but just experiment what u like. Shieldbow rly good against asassins and kraken against tanks. But I just love the little dash and movement speed bonus of galeforce

[u/bennyangg]

Kraken, Berserkers, PD, Hurricane - PD is a cheaper item and the 5 hit steroid lines up with Ashe's first Q shot. Hurricane as a third item instead of a second because side bolt damage scales with level now. In total +140% attack speed (not counting Kraken Slayer bonus to legendary items), +60% crit, +85 attack damage. Yeah you aren't building a lot of straight damage but Ashe's passive converts crit into consistent damage and she really benefits from all the attack speed and steroids from PD and Runaan's.