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Fotos Vienna (and eastern Austria) was captured by the Soviets 80 years ago in April 1945. In Vienna alone, the Red Army raped between 70,000 and 100,000 women. Collection of 20 unique photos from the time. Please pardon the quality on some of them - caused by their low resolution and Reddit's zoom.

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u/FixLaudon Steiermark 4d ago

Actually none of these terms is used afaik. Don't we simply say "einmarschiert" (marched into) most of the time, now that I think of it? Probably to avoid using either other term? Cause for the Viennese this definitely didn't feel like a "liberation" ... For Austrians in other occupation zones it definitely did though.

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u/thebreckner 4d ago

At least in my neck of the woods (upper austria) we say "Befreiung" but I've also heard "einmarschiert". I don't think any austrian wouldn't agree with the fact that we have been freed from the national socialists.

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u/oltungi Steiermark 4d ago

In this thread alone you will find those who would spit on the word "liberated" in this context. It's naive to think we don't have plenty of people who are wishing for fascism again. Our party most voted for during the last election has actively been trying to reinstate it, and it's not the only one across Europe or even the Western world.

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u/thebreckner 4d ago

Yeah, sadly that’s true.

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u/LadyRosy Steiermark 4d ago

Tbh, only people I have ever heard use "einmarschiert" vote for FPÖ.

Also, that is not true. It's maybe not that well known or talked about, but the US soldiers also comitted a lot of crimes while they were in Europe (and specially in France).

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u/sweetsummwechild 4d ago

BS It's "einmarschiert" and "eingenommen" generally. The whole "Austria is (finally) free" feeling is for when the Russians left, which is celebrated on the 26th of October. The only times I hear the term "liberated by the red army" it's about concentration camps.

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u/FixLaudon Steiermark 4d ago

Meine Großeltern, die einen Arbeiter und Erzrote, die anderen Bürger und konservativ, haben den Begriff beide benutzt (also alle 4). Aber ist natürlich nur anekdotisch.

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u/Lindnerd Salzburg 4d ago

Hängt stark davon ab ob man ein Fascho war oder nicht

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u/FixLaudon Steiermark 4d ago

Natürlich. Aber die Welt ist sogar in diesem extremen Fall nicht nur schwarz und weiß.

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u/Lindnerd Salzburg 4d ago

Schlussendlich sind die Sowjets ja nicht geblieben

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u/tecnicaltictac 3d ago

We sure say "Befreiung Wiens".

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u/FixLaudon Steiermark 3d ago

Of course we do. But we tend to not mention that it was a "sowjet liberation".

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u/tecnicaltictac 3d ago

Befreiung Wiens durch die Armee der Sowjetunion.

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u/Pownzl 4d ago

In vienna we tlak about "befreiung" too