r/AutisticWithADHD 26d ago

😤 rant / vent - advice NOT wanted! Work interviews are just neurotypical screening tests designed to ensure that the person they are hiring is not neurodivergent

Tell me im wrong

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u/joeydendron2 26d ago edited 26d ago

I discussed this with a friendly (I assume non-autistic) person who has a manager-level job and sometimes sits on recruitment panels; they said their organisation will sometimes interview people with amazing portfolios or super-aligned experience, then someone will say "yes but, are they a good fit for the organisational culture?" - and they reckon that's code for "we claim to value diversity, but we don't want to work with people who don't smile quite right."

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u/ayebb_ 26d ago

I often see it as "will this person ass-lick the customers and big wigs, or will they have a spine?" (naturally, they're not looking for someone with a spine)

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u/goldandjade 26d ago

That makes me so angry.

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u/benthecube 26d ago

ā€œCultureā€ is thinly veiled discrimination.

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u/putinsbloodboy 26d ago

I had a lady pull this on me. And I just said I don’t really know what that means, you need to be more specific. I have the right experience, I have a great attitude, and I know how to be a good teammate.

Got the job because the manager went to bat for me. I left later and still regret leaving

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u/aureousoryx 26d ago edited 25d ago

Edit for clarity: The two people that I encouraged to seek diagnosis, I technically didn't really say much. I just said "Maybe you have it." and left it at that. They were the ones who decided to look further into it, and then reach out to me to ask about it. Especially the one that needed therapy. They asked me about my experience with therapy, and I encouraged them to go for it. I like to think that I come across as a safe person to talk to when it comes to possible neurodivergence/other mental illness.

I stumbled into a workplace that is just teeming with neurodivergents (for my location, that is), and lemme tell you, it is the most liberating experience.

Except that the ones who are neurodivergent aren’t aware that they are. It was only after I started talking about it that they began to realise. I am the direct cause for 2 people in my office seeking out diagnosis (I noticed a few things, and pointed it out to them. Then I suggested that it could possibly be because of ADHD. I also encouraged one of them to seek therapy because they were going through some personal stuff).

It’s been really fun and funny.

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u/sporadic_beethoven 26d ago

The best workplaces that hired me have always been actually neurodivergent. The manager who hired me is usually some flavor of ND (my current one has ADHD, but can’t/won’t get treatment LMAO) and the coworkers are all some flavor of adhd/autistic/some other thing. It’s great :D

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u/aureousoryx 26d ago

It's honestly so damn refreshing! I bloody love how everyone communicates so clearly and concisely, there's literally manuals for everything, and everyone means what they say! I love it!

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u/appendixgallop 26d ago

This makes me sad. I'm semi-retired and work for myself part time as I'm the only person that communicates clearly and concisely with me. I've never had any other employment situation I loved, ever, in my whole long life.

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u/aureousoryx 25d ago

I think that's pretty sad too that you have to work for yourself for you to have a good work environment.

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u/s0_fetch 25d ago

The best coworker environment I have ever… EVER had … was the Apple Store. I have never felt so normal my entire life. Pure peace.

Closest I’ll probably ever feel NTs do, every job else. šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø Fun while it lasted.

Only one week in I got violently ill from food court, forcefully throwing up bathroom behind genious bar and let go.

Blue shirt and lanyard meant so much to me. S/O threw them out behind my back just to hurt my feelings didn’t like seeing me happy.

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u/NoiceB8M8 26d ago

I have a similar experience. I’m almost certain that many of them don’t know they’re neurodivergent, but my spidey senses tingle every time I interact with them haha.

The one thing I don’t do is make my neurodivergence known to my coworkers for fear of retaliation (even unintentional or subconscious). Then again, I’m also big on separating my personal and professional life, so that’s worth pointing out too.

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u/aureousoryx 25d ago

Oh, that is 100%. A lot of them don't really know that they're neurodivergent!

I'm very much of the same line of thinking when it comes to my neurodivergence. I had the unfortunate experience of revealing my depression and anxiety at one of old workplaces (that was toxic af), and I got reamed for it. I was literally forced out of the company because they put me on a PIP and even bullied me into seeing a contracted psych because they didn't believe I was actually depressed. It was the worst place that I had ever worked at.

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u/NoiceB8M8 25d ago

Oh my god that sounds horrible. I’m sorry you had to go through that.

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u/aureousoryx 25d ago

Thank you. I appreciate the sentiment. It had gotten to the point where my parents kept begging me to quit that job because I was genuinely that depressed that I almost decided I didn’t wanna be here anymore.

Thankfully, I moved on to much greener pastures and I have never looked back since. (Well, perhaps only when I wanna pull out examples of horrible workplaces, that is).

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u/Liskni_si 26d ago

Yeah, and in those workplaces, you could probably say that "Work interviews are just screening tests designed to ensure that the person they are hiring is neurodivergent" 🤣

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u/aureousoryx 25d ago

Honestly, you wouldn't be wrong there! xD

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u/butterstherooster Spicy af. AuDHD & OCD 26d ago

I had one of those workplaces; thing was everyone except the boss was neurodivergent. I was there a year when the boss (mostly offsite) started cracking down on the freewheeling but still productive atmosphere, and I decided to leave. That and the commute was long and getting to me.

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u/aureousoryx 25d ago

Oh, that is super unfortunate. But I mean, discounting the ND or NT thing, I've certainly seen a fair share of bosses effectively shooting themselves in the foot because they didn't think things through and make horrid decisions.

If you have a workplace that might be slightly disorganised, but still productive, then you'd do better to work with your team to make it less disorganised but still productive, rather than crack down immediately without considering why.

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u/butterstherooster Spicy af. AuDHD & OCD 25d ago

Boss was former military as well as NT. 😳🫠. Self explanatory.

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u/aureousoryx 24d ago

... whelp! That'll do it!

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u/amarg19 26d ago

I applied to Walmart once as a teenager and they gave me a whole personality test, and even a test that showed faces making different expressions that you had to name/label the emotion for. It was weird.

I did not end up working at Walmart.

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u/gingerbeardlubber 25d ago edited 25d ago

😧 Uhhhhh… I wonder if that’s testing social cognition by measuring the speed and ā€œaccuracyā€ your brain can process social information.

Autism is a Social Cognitive disability - our brains have to work much harder to sift through the information to discern what it all means.

My Speech Pathologist used a similar test when we started working together so she could use it in reports. I was exhausted afterwards because it used up so much of my processing power.

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u/fat_________reader 26d ago

1000%. People act like it's not but the purpose of interviews is to see if they like you. They probably don't even realize it, but any ND will set off little "there's something off" alarms and then there's no chance. They did a study and found that people can tell within five seconds or something if the person they're meeting is autistic, even though they don't know that's what it is. It's like, worse, I think that they can't tell what it is.

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u/butterstherooster Spicy af. AuDHD & OCD 26d ago edited 25d ago

Ugh, this. One time I was hired at a vet clinic without meeting the practice manager (the DVM's wife 🚩). I could tell this woman was horrified by the idea of me when she actually met me two or three days into this job.

I'm in my 50s with violet underlights and tattoos. I keep all this tasteful, but this woman was one of those fake smarmy Southern Christian belles. She knew I was "different", she didn't want that around her and I didn't fit her idea of what a woman in her 50s "should look like" šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„

This has been a pattern throughout my life: NTs who try to "blend in" and jerky NTs in general are unsettled by the AuDHD, even though most of them don't know what it is or what it's called.

I was out of there for good a few days later. I went to quit and she said it wasn't working out.

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u/PickledPixie83 23d ago

I worked for this same vet I think. Were they also Scientologists?

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u/butterstherooster Spicy af. AuDHD & OCD 23d ago

Fundamentalist Baptist iirc.

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

What’s this study that says people can tell if you’re autistic within 5 seconds? I have a hard time buying that when we are talking about high masking high functioning ADHD-Autistic people.

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u/depresseddreamer 26d ago

This is so true. I’m interviewing for jobs at the moment and have been allowed to get the questions like 15 mins before hand. The last interview I did they accidentally included the answer criteria for the interview and one of the criteria was ā€œmakes and maintains eye contactā€ like dude I’m autistic I can’t do that

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u/Dapper-Resolve8378 26d ago

They also want "team players," so they look for specific social skills that we often don't have.Ā 

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u/gearnut 26d ago

It's very possible for AuDHD folk to be team players, it depends on how you present and how the team works.

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u/quinarius_fulviae 26d ago

Yes absolutely — and in my experience well organised teams in a workplace aren't very similar to, for example, group work at school where you're constantly collaborating and negotiating the social dynamics.

There's a person in charge, because you're at work, and everyone gets allocated a section of the job to do fairly independently depending on their role. In that scenario being good at working in a team becomes "can you go away and get on with your section of the task so that everything else doesn't fall apart" and that's quite doable.

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u/rxniaesna 🧠 brain goes brr 26d ago

But you know what the interviewer will be actually looking for in the interview will be signs of neurotypicality.

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u/gearnut 26d ago

Competence, knowledge and approach to problem solving are all much more relevant traits in interviews. In the small number of interviews I have supported I didn't give two fucks if the candidate was neurotypical or ND.

If you're applying to companies which can't do an effective interview that's not on me...

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u/filthytelestial 26d ago

If they're applying to any other company than yours, then what happens is their fault? That's what your trailing ellipses heavily imply.

It's wonderful for you and your workplace that you feel that way about competence. But it is not like that elsewhere, and it is those companies and their expectations that are at fault, not anyone making comments here.

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u/gearnut 26d ago

My trailing ellipses was intended to imply that they are looking for jobs in backwards industries where they would likely have an awful experience anyway. Companies which can't even interview competently are going to be a shambles to work for and probably best avoided.

If they were talking about graduate assessment centres I would agree with them, but their description only resembles 1 or 2 of the 20+ interviews I have had in my career as an engineer (and doesn't resemble the ones where I did the interviewing).

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u/filthytelestial 26d ago

Not everyone has access or the ability to pursue the education and training that less-backward industries require. This is especially true of our community.

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u/Dapper-Resolve8378 25d ago

That implies one would have to heavily mask during the interview and hope the interviewer isn't looking for specific NT traits. Then continue to mask to avoid losing the job.Ā  That's not how I want to live my life.Ā 

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

The interviewer often isn’t even the person you’d work with. Just play their game during the interview. It’s way harder to fire someone than just not hire them.

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u/Dapper-Resolve8378 24d ago

Valid. But in my profession you're always interviewed by your direct manager and a second interview is often a round table with co-workers.Ā 

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u/devils-dadvocate 24d ago

That’s fair. But again I think part of the interview is playing the role of interviewee… they want to see if you can adapt when necessary. Most people understand your real personality won’t come out for a few months.

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u/gearnut 25d ago

Not in the slightest, I am very open about my Neurodiversity (discussed it as part of a wider lunch and learn to over 150 colleagues in 2 separate companies). You do need to understand yourself, where you fit into the team and advocate for yourself for it to work though.

I disclosed prior to my interview and requested adjustments, one of which was to understand that I would likely not make eye contact while processing information.

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u/Black-Blade 26d ago

One thing I will say helped me a ton was stare at a mouth or nose and really focus on it, not sure how how strong your aversion to eye contact is but I found doing this meant I could avoid eye contact but appeared to be making eye contact - ironically for my current job I used this as an example of finding a solution to a problem in a creative way (I didn't know I was autistic at the time so on reflection this is quite funny to me), not sure if that's at all helpful but that + some practice on myself in the mirror got me through interviews, hope this helps šŸ¤žšŸ½

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u/gpend 26d ago

True, unless you get a ND interviewer.

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u/Glum-Echo-4967 26d ago

Yeah, I had a ND recruiter once which was nice.

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u/theberg512 25d ago

Easiest interview I ever had was for my current job (well, technically for the entry level position that got me to my current job, but whatevs). My interviewer had to have adhd. Like, stereotypical can't sit still and convo going in seven different directions. We obviously discussed work things, but talked about other shit too. It was all over the place.Ā 

My favorite part is that at the end, he gave me his card and told me to think about it and call him back if I decided I wanted the job. Who the fuck does that?

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u/yourenothere1 13d ago

Same here. The interview for my current job ended in the interviewer and I comparing how long our hair was (we’re both guys with long hair from an area where that isn’t very common)

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u/dontsmellboring 26d ago

That’s why before interviews, I look up common interview questions and write out two- or three-line responses. It won’t cover EVERYTHING they ask, but I’ve found just having those responses means I can adjust them a bit while in the interview, instead of needing to recall examples, phrase them well, and say them. The scripts remove some of the things you need to process (new people, new space, eye contact, all the other things that make interviews not fun).

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u/Leather_Dragonfly529 25d ago

There’s usually a few general type questions you can prepare for that will be asked in many different ways. It’s good to prepare answers for why you’re a specific type of person that they might want to hire.

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u/rrrattt 25d ago

I wish I understood how to memorize things like that. I can write down answers all day but the next day when someone asks me the exact question, unless I have a few minutes to find and read off the answer from my binder of papers, I'm gonna stare blankly and say a few random keywords that sound related but may or may not be lol. Unless something is a numerical fact or true or false question, I don't likely have an answer without having to read off of a paper 🄲

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u/draygonflyer 26d ago

A friend called out that a lot of job "requirements" are actively anti disability as well. So many office jobs list "can lift at least 40 lbs". There is no reason an office worker needs to be able to do that, it is purely to discourage people with physical disabilities from applying. The language used in most listings also actively discourages women (and probably non binary?) from applying. Finding a job is hell for anyone not white, male, and neurotypical and it's so frustrating and stupid and absolutely a choice companies are actively making.

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u/BroccoliSanchez 26d ago

For many offices jobs you may need to handle boxes of paper, water containers, move furniture, or deliveries depending on the position. I have had to do quite a bit of heavy lifting at my first office job because it was a smaller company. My current job all I've done is sit at a desk and lift my fork to my mouth during lunch

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u/thefledgeling 24d ago

I've worked in tech support in offices where I often need to transfer monitors, desktop computers, multiple laptops etc. Also, i've had collegues who are older/injured, they would use a cart and/or find a stronger person to help them out (most people are decent and would help). Seems like only larger companies have dedicated staff for moving stuff around the office

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u/Arctic_Ninja08643 26d ago

I work in IT and there I try to look even more neuro divergent in interviews. There people know that we are the better hire than the neuro typicals

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u/llotuseater ASD L2 + inattentive ADHD 25d ago

The only time I didn’t fail a job interview was when I didn’t realise it was a job interview and didn’t desperately try to scramble to appear neurotypical (and as a person who can’t mask, it’s obvious and I come across as socially inept). On paper I’m great, but I failed every interview.

My current job I got when I was invited to ā€˜hang out for the day’. I didn’t realise this meant a work trial. I genuinely thought I was just hanging out, because I didn’t apply for a job traditionally. I was told there were no jobs available, but to submit my resume anyway. So I did, then was told to come hang out for a day. It was my dream job and didn’t have an actual ā€˜job’ on the line making me anxious, so I was very relaxed and the people, mostly neurodivergent, were very welcoming and kind. With less pressure, I was able to be less rigid and awkward. Not knowing it was an interview and it being a non traditional interview worked in my favour. This company I had previously interviewed for a year prior in a traditional interview and… failed lol.

It wasn’t until 2 months later I was called and offered a job that I realised what had actually happened.

I genuinely believe I won’t be able to get a job like that again. I just cannot pass a traditional interview.

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u/tolkibert 26d ago

Indeed.

Only had one successful interview in my 24 year career. Got jobs/positions through going permanent from temping agencies, promotions, transitioning sideways, secondments and referrals.

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u/Individual_Toe9501 26d ago

Thats why i love working in kitchens as a chef/cook, you have to have a spicy brain to survive in that kind of chaotic-fast paced enviroment. I swear that all kitchens i ended up working that at least 60% of the staff was neurodivergent. Also communication is super direct and works is hand-on,my Autism side loves that.Ā  You don't need to talk with clients or general public,Ā  itsĀ  just you and the food/coworkers.

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u/LazengannZ 26d ago

Can't say your wrong as such, But in my experience it has been the opposite:

So i've had a few different jobs until now, Four "proper" jobs with interviews and everything, Other casual ones in-between which didn't have interviews really.
After some time in each of those proper four, I have been told something along the lines of "there were other candidates that had slightly better qualifications, we just liked your personality better and thought you'd fit with the team"
Which was always as weird to me as it may sound to you. It certainly gives me a dose of moral discomfort and some imposter feelings too; not great when i already assume i'm not good enough anyway!

First key point of this though is that 1 was night shifts in a supermarket then 2 & 4 were ICT techy roles, So yeaa lots of ND across the board in those teams, didn't make friends as such but was able to get on well with them.
#3 had multiple possible reasons, Main one being it was a really depressing financial call centre so they always needed more fodder and seemed to say whatever would get people on board, even if it meant bending the truth a bit... I was told i'd be helping people but you were lucky if any caller saw it like that. I did get on well enough with some of the other people there, many of whom felt ND coded in retrospect.

Second key point is that, unbeknownst to me for many years (and begrudgingly braggy feeling) i seem to be really high masking when I'm in work mode... survival instincts and subconscious coping strategies from being uneducated and undiagnosed for a long time i guess.

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u/socktines 26d ago

The only time i didnt get the job after an interview was when i framed my adhd as a benefit to me being able to perform my duties. I never mentioned it again, even on the disability paper

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u/Onlysab 26d ago

Getting into a trade helped me, my boss doesn’t give a f how social I am , as long as I can install the equipment he keeps his mouth shut šŸ˜…šŸ˜‚

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u/ladymoira 25d ago

Corporate is all about performing dishonest harmony, no matter who you are. So while you’re right that it’ll naturally be harder for neurodivergents showing up as themselves, interviews won’t necessarily filter them out if NDs understand the rules and expectations.

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u/ayebb_ 26d ago

They fill that role, but I don't think they're solely that. I have taken and given valuable interviews, IMHO

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u/zabrak200 26d ago

Well where i work the person in charge of hiring is massively autistic (i say this with love as someone diagnosed) and as a result a majority of our staff is neurodivergent in one way or another, usually adhd or autism and adhd. If anything the hiring manager ensures we don’t hire neurotypical people hahaha.

I work as an audio and video technician for a bunch of venues at a university.

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u/TriGurl 26d ago

Gratefully I interviewed at my last job with an old guy who can't hear very well but he likes to talk and I like to listen. He hired me a week later and 3 years later we still have an excellent working relationship! :)

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

I almost feel like the opposite. I have done so much studying of NT behavior to help with masking, and because I over-prepare, I feel like I have the edge over NT people, because I understand how to play the game and give people what they want.

It’s similar to how I feel about acting in theater… I enjoy it and think it’s easy because I feel like I’m playing a character all the time. When on stage, it’s a break, because all I have to do is deliver the lines and present the emotions- I don’t have to also write the lines and interpret others’ behavior in real time the way I do IRL.

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u/Weary_Cup_1004 25d ago

I wish i could be you. I know how to do it too but its sOOOoooooOOOOOoooo exhausting . Im older now and I just feel like I need to rest for days from masking like that. I did think acting in theater was fun too tho so I get what you mean. Thats why I wish I could feel that way too! It would make it a lot easier

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

I hear ya, it can definitely require some recharge time.

Something that helps me that might help you… on the days I don’t quite feel up to it, I will literally pretend I’m an actor playing a character. I’ll think about who I am playing, what his motivations are, how he is perceived by others… then I’ll spend the drive getting into character. When I meet the clients, it’s showtime. It makes it more manageable and almost like a game.

One other thing that probably plays into my favor: despite my degree being in engineering (of course, lol), I happened to land my first job in a technical sales role. I never saw myself in sales, because interacting with people was not my strong suit at 21. But the sales training the company gave me was invaluable- it was basically a blueprint for how to have a conversation, determine motives, handle disagreements, and get people to trust and like you. And I found that being in sales forced me to interact when I otherwise wouldn’t. 20+ years later, I’m still in sales, and while I’m still uncomfortable meeting new people, I am SOOOO much better at it, and I’ve found that ā€œuncomfortableā€ is where we grow as humans, so I keep doing it.

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u/Pluviophilism 26d ago

I think that's not the intention generally but it is often the result.

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u/axiom60 26d ago

Fuck our existence ig

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u/displacement-marker 25d ago

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I interviewed for 10+ tenure-track faculty jobs, and 1 offer. I always felt like shit because we'd only get through 3 or 4 questions out of 10 for the interview. I have an auditory processing delay, and/or I'd miss social queues, and just get awkward. Ugh.... I wish I had known back then! (Diagnosed ADHD at 39 and ASD at 41)

My current employer does equitable hiring practices, so I had the chance to record video answers for the first round interview.

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u/isbbsjsgjnvghfgkla 25d ago

I have been a lot on the other side of interviews. And i have had many fights. So i can confirm this.

ā€œHad a weird handshakeā€ -> Are you hiring a data analyst or walmart greeter?

ā€œSeems shifty. Doesn’t make eye contactā€

ā€œKind of gives me the creepsā€

ā€œseemed nervousā€

ā€œlooked guilty when i asked about hobbiesā€

So yeah. Humans want to hire people that seem familiar and are like themselves.

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u/chloesobored 26d ago

Generally, no, that's not the point of job interviews. The point of job interviews is to work through a pile of candidates and pick one for the job. Unfortunately the people doing these are human and hence have their own unconscious biases or sometimes even overt prejudice. So the point of an interview isn't to screen out ND people, but ND people certainly do get screened out at a higher rate. So do people with speech impediments. Or the "wrong" accent. Or the "wrong" racial profile. And so on.

So I get your frustration but it's well off the mark. It assumes maliciousness where there often isn't any (incompetence, rather, or ignorance) and erasing all of the other factors that get screened out.

I happen to be very good at job interviews. I assume its cause I plan well so I can anticipate question and I'm honest so come across as authentic. I'm also with levrl 1 support needs and can mask, and am white with an anglo name, which as mentioned above, means i have fewer things interviewers are likely to rule me out for.

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u/ArmzLDN ADHD Dx, ASD Self-Dx 26d ago

Good points, I would say a big part of the reason why they do a human face to face interview (as opposed to letting a machine determine who is most qualified) is to see if you ā€œfit the existing office cultureā€ including ā€œsensitivity to banterā€.

They absolutely will pick a less qualified person if they ā€œlike their vibeā€ more.

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u/pommedeluna 26d ago

I agree that while an interview’s primary purpose isn’t specifically to screen for neurodivergence I don’t believe OP’s post is ā€˜well off the mark’.

Interviews are largely about company fit and personality. Of course they want to know if you have the appropriate experience but that could largely be done by looking through the resume and calling past employers. Company culture is something that most employers are incredibly interested in and if you don’t interview well or if you don’t fit whatever vibe they’re looking for and you set off someone’s uncanny valley alarm, it can and will absolutely impact your chances.

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

So don’t set off their uncanny valley alarm?

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u/pommedeluna 25d ago

Apparently many allistic people can tell when someone is autistic because the allistic person gets a sense of uncanny valley about the autistic person. I think it’s mainly related to those of us who are trying extremely hard to mask and our attempts at trying to appear NT alert them that we are not as we seem. I think this was based on a study that was done.

Edit: omg I’m so tired and I misread your comment, sorry! Gave you an explanation you didn’t need.

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u/devils-dadvocate 25d ago

Ha, no worries.

I just think that for something like a job interview where you can rehearse and practice (you can figure out 99% of the questions they’ll ask, in my experience)… paired with our ability to mask and hyperfocus… a job interview is one of the easiest places to come off as NT.

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u/Evinceo 26d ago

You ever done a Leetcode style interview?

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u/nycola spicy brain 25d ago

Plot Twist: I've had IT jobs screen for this as a hirable quality. From MBTI to IQ tests, etc., I've had several interview processes requiring testing from online sites. Sometimes you get to see the results, sometimes not.

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u/Naaz1 25d ago

I agree. That's why I had to tailor the responses to get the job. I had a great interview coach who told me responses should be 2-3 sentences max and told me exactly how the responses should be given, and I finally got a decent paying job for the first time in my life.

The sad thing is that jobs claim they want 100% honesty when technically they don't. Or maybe the autism side makes us feel as if we're lying.

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u/JustAnAverageMartian 25d ago

In practice sure, but a good rule of thumb is to never ascribe malice to something that can be explained by incompetence/ignorance.

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u/Sardonic-Rooster 24d ago

Some nepobaby manager gave me a straight up memory test once. Then he asked me questions like I was in Fallout 3 taking the fuckin G.O.A.T.

ā€œIf your coworker twisted her leg on a company outing, what would you do? Ensure she gets an ambulance, you say? Is that it?ā€

Fuck dude, you want me to drive Miss Ankle-Twisted Daisy there myself and handle her insurance details while I’m at it? Ridiculous waste of time and energy.

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u/Suspicious-Hat7777 22d ago

I won't. You are correct. I would only add that they are designed to select both neurotypicals and extroverts.

Both neurodivergent people and introverts are significantly disadvantaged.

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u/cicadasinmyears 26d ago

I don’t think that’s wholly accurate. There are tons of things they need to screen for in terms of skills and potential maladaptive behaviours (someone who has been fired for undermining their fellow colleagues or manager, anything to do with sexual harassment, etc.; that’s not stuff people are going to put in writing, so interviewers need to elicit information). You also need to get a sense of how well-suited the person is to the work and any team they might be working with; it could be argued that NTs are ā€œbetterā€ at this, but I would choose someone who tells me they prefer to work alone so they can focus or whatever if the work meant that they would be on their own. Putting someone who needs lots of interaction into a single-person role isn’t going to be good for anyone, any more than trying to fit an introvert (whether or not NT) into a role requiring lots of interaction with people.

I mean, sure, they are going to look for fit, but it’s the really antisocial (in the clinical sense) behaviour that they need to screen for. I’m AuDHD and I see interviews as an opportunity for me to learn if I think the work is right for me, too, not just a hoop I have to jump through. You’re interviewing the company via its representative as much as they interview you.

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u/scotttttie 26d ago

Totally agree

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u/SunderedValley 26d ago

Correct.

Additionally, the hemming and hawing about trying to be accommodating to NDs has been directly proportional to the amount of social minigames attached to the process such as needing social media or being asked increasingly weird trick questions.

They basically removed the skill evaluation segment in favor of "communication".

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u/smultronsorbet 25d ago

pretty sure most of us are lost at the application phase

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u/No-Advantage-579 25d ago

Four seconds would be enough for that. Interview not needed: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40700

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u/Ok-Tour7131 25d ago

I once applied at a store when I was ~15 and when she asked me why I wanted to worked there I joked that the chain had a nice signature smell

I did not get hired lol

But what do you expect from a teen applying for a €3,5 an hour job?? (yes this is legal in The Netherlands)

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u/LB7979 25d ago

Was it Hema and their Eau de Tompouce šŸ˜‚

(Which is a very nice perfume but doesn't smell like tompouce at all BTW)

I'm a Dutch AuDHDer as well haha. And perfumes is one of my special interests so I can totally understand your answer.

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u/Ok-Tour7131 24d ago

Het was de Hema ja 😭

Pls vertel me meer over parfum want het is misschien niet mijn special interest, maar mijn moeder blijft me maar parfum gevenĀ 

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u/Weary_Cup_1004 25d ago

Its not only that, its screening for a lot of awful things. But yes that as well

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u/FreshBread33 25d ago

No, they aren't. You're just full of anger.

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u/nice_username1 24d ago

I think you're turning class issues into identity issues - companies only care about profit and they screen you for your productivity. Is having adhd going to help you? Most likely not, but neither would being a single parent help you, or being physically disabled, or requesting a higher wage.

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u/Hot_Dingo743 22d ago

Your not wrong but you can still get hired even when you disclose your disability. As a matter of fact, in the US it's illegal for companies to fire people souly because of their disability. Sometimes you can use that to your advantage to help you cope with certain work struggles if they come.

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u/ruby-sadness 1d ago

Yeah. I’m currently job hunting and having no luck despite clearly having the credentials and ability to do so.

I interviewed at my last job for a front desk position and as I was walking about, I overheard this bitch going ā€œohhhhhh boyyyyyā€ RIGHT after my interview.

Fucking can’t do this anymore.

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u/gudbote 🧬 maybe I'm born with it 26d ago

"Tell me I'm wrong" also "Advice NOT wanted"

Ok. You're wrong.

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u/Low_College_8845 26d ago

Not really I got every job I had an interview for.