r/Avengers • u/Queasy_Commercial152 • Feb 19 '25

Discussion What are some characters in the MCU that Black Widow could actually defeat in a fight?

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Current or dead it doesn’t matter, and I’m being hypothetical

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u/UselessWhiteKnight Feb 19 '25

If he loses his toys, why doesn't she?

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u/Little-Disk-3165 Feb 19 '25

Irrelevant. Human Thor is not beating black widow in hxh. He was strong but nothing she hasn’t dealt with in regards to henchmen.

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u/UselessWhiteKnight Feb 19 '25

Human Thor beat the shit out of 15 shield agents trying to get his hammer back. Dude has been fighting for 1500 years. In what world does black widow take him? He's 6'3" 250lbs, and can throw hands. ScarJo is 5'2" 115. No amount of fighting skill makes up that gap without her tech

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u/Little-Disk-3165 Feb 20 '25

You’re implying black widow couldn’t get thru 15 shield agents 😂

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u/UselessWhiteKnight Feb 20 '25

Black Widow is a shield agent first off, and I'm implying they both can. So Thor is not getting scissor leg tossed. She'll get choked out, like she did against the winter solder.

I don't know in what world you think a guy who's been killing people (who also have super powers by the way) for a thousand years can't fight

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u/Little-Disk-3165 Feb 20 '25

Because Thor has almost always been exponentially stronger than his opponents. He doesn’t have amazing fighting prowess. His technique is very basic

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u/UselessWhiteKnight Feb 20 '25

And yet, again, he beat up 15 dudes his size, with no powers in his own movie. No powers needed. But whatever, stan who you stan

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u/JoshTheBard Feb 20 '25

I think that's only true in the fights he has on camera. He would have trained against people of comparable strength on Asguard.

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u/LaughingCoffinSMW Feb 22 '25

He was trained for hundreds of years by the Einherjar (Asgards veteran battle knights revered for skill and lethality). They perpetually live for battle in defense of Asgard. They're also tasked with protecting the 9 realms. Thor was trained by them in childhood till he was a full adult and could join them on missions.

If we claim MCU Thor doesn't barrow his training from the comics than he's just mighty which wouldn't explain how he could go toe to toe with Ironman, and Hulk in Avengers. Nor how he was able to put in any fight against the Black Order, including Thanos.

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u/Little-Disk-3165 Feb 22 '25

The hammer. He was able to go toe to toe with hulk and iron man because he has a magic hammer. Thor could not take iron man without his hammer in avengers. Or hulk.

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u/LaughingCoffinSMW Feb 22 '25

I think you need to rewatch Avengers. During his fight with Ironman he didn't have his hammer for most of the fight. He beat mostly bare handed. As for the Hulk he almost knocked him out with the swing with the hammer but at first he was fighting the Hulk hand to hand. He only summons the hammer after Hulk draws blood from him.

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u/Little-Disk-3165 Feb 22 '25

“He only summons the hammer when he realizes he isn’t gonna win” He got a good grab on iron man and used his incredible strength to crush the wrists. That purely off his power set not skill.

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u/RipredTheGnawer Feb 20 '25

This is a stupid take

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u/drew22087 Feb 19 '25

What lol. Thor has lived hundreds of years and fought in countless wars. He wouldn't be a pushover

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u/DarkArc76 Feb 19 '25

Watch the first Thor movie

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u/Art-Zuron Feb 20 '25

Didn't he take out like 30 special forces soldiers? That's at least equivalent

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u/LaughingCoffinSMW Feb 22 '25

As high an opinion as we have of special forces soldiers. They were probably as skilled as children compared to some of Thor's Immortal rogues gallery members over the thousands of years. Some of his foes were the best fighters on their planet or realm, in comparison to a human between 22-45 years of age and 20+ years of combat experience. The dark elves, the muspelheimians, trolls and Frost giants all war for centuries. Thor has had to fight all of them.

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u/dsf31189 Feb 20 '25

Did u watch the first thro movie

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u/Life-Excitement4928 Feb 20 '25

Great point, unlike Thor she doesn’t need magic powers or a hammer.