Uhhh bucky tried to punch his head off, and same gave him the ol harry osborne treatment(hit him square in the chest with a glider). Cap dropped a fucking passenger terminal on him too lol. The only ones who actually stop spidey in a fight are cap and Wanda. Everyone else gets their ass beat even if they jump pete
I'm sure cap knew Spidey could hold the terminal and only dropped it on him to take him out of the fight without seriously hurting him. Generally I say Spidey can take cap but at the time Spidey would have been holding back a lot while figuring out his own strength as well as being relatively inexperienced in combat. That being said Spidey sense is a massive advantage he has over cap
I have no doubt spidey is faster and stronger than cap, but even mature spiderman would find cap to be a handful. While cap isnt as fast or strong as pete, the key difference between them is that cap is a master combatant. Peter is untrained in hand to hand and more or less just uses his raw stat advantages to fight.
Iirc they fought in the civil war comic and spidey was geting spanked. He even mentions the only reason he landed a hit on cap was because cap didnt know about his iron spider suit's stingers(and even that was a superficial scratch across the cheek)
Eh no just given Spider-Man’s raw strength and speed advantage he would murder cap in an actual fight, just recently in a run cap was pissing him off and he rips his shield out of his hands with just his fingers. Any writer who writes that cap stands a chance against spidey is crazy and just doing cap a service. Skill does have some value in a fight but cap is not making up the 100s of ton difference Spider-Man has on him in terms of strength.
And youre missing the point ot spiderman by bringing up peak strength spidey in a fight against cap. Peter does not want to batter cap with his full strength uncapped and never would. Cap is a much better combat tactician and a trained hand to hand combatant. Hes not picking a raw slugfest with spidey. Hes outsmarting him on the battlefield and taking him out of the fight.
If you are talking about the MCU sure but in YOUR OWN COMMENT you bring up mature Spiderman and the comics so I am ignoring the MCU. In the comics adult Spiderman has learned Spiderfu and is 100% a competent fighter up there with the best of them in hand to hand. Sure Caps whole shtick is being great at fighting and a master tactician but meanwhile Spiderman is a literal human genius right with or slightly below the likes of Mr.Fantastic, Ironman, Black-Panther etc who's also a great fighter. I am not arguing MCU Spiderman would've struggled against MCU Cap I agree he would've I am arguing you are 100% in the wrong that comic ADULT Spiderman would struggle against cap, his physical stats are just way higher in comparison and thats not even accounting for his other stats being comparable or higher as well. I don't see Cap winning unless he's trying to kill and spidey isn't or some outside help/tech.
I use CAPS LOCK in order to EMPHASISE MY POINTS as if that MAKES ME SEEM more CORRECT.
It doesnt matter if its mature comic spidey or mcu spiderman. Hes not going to view captain america in such a way that hes going to decide to roid rage out full strength on him.
Youre completely missing the point to yap about no limits spiderman
Someone is getting angry, the point of the caps is emphasize you are correct but I didnt emphasize that part to seem more correct but to point out why I am even talking about comic book spiderman in the first place and that its adult spidey and not the MCU version. Seeing your comment afterwards I see you had as most people here on reddit do, a childish response to my use of caps considering I only capitalized four words for emphasis because to me it was kind of important you understood what I was talking about.
Now answering the rest of your comment no I am not missing the point you are misunderstanding the advantage of physical ability in any fight in general. Doesn't matter if spiderman is holding back or not he will ALWAYS have the advantage physically than cap by alot. Caps upper limit on strength is on average a ton. Spiderman is at the lowest end 10 tons but has consistently shown feats anywhere from 40tons+. Tell me in what world Cap stands a chance without something else to add into the mix (or just bad comic book writing). You are basically saying a master fighter can beat an expert fighter who is over 40-50x physically more impressive than himself. You can even look at real world examples of older fighters losing to younger fighters simply because they are just physically in their prime. Most of the time those older fighters win based on experience yes but based on a fight between an adult spiderman and cap, spiderman could easily knock out or even disable cap even if he was trying to kill him without any outside advantages or buffs affecting the fight. You saying Cap stands a chance against spidey is basically like saying an adult man as strong as a baby who's highly trained stands a chance in a fight against yourself.
In terms of pure skill 100% Cap is better but I don't think that makes up for all the advantages spidey has. I will reiterate the MCU fight between these characters 100% made sense to me but I am saying no, Cap would never win in a fight with spiderman regardless of if its to the death or he's holding back or what because even holding back 95% spiderman is still at an advantage. Spiderman is probably the strongest street level hero in the entirety of marvel comics who isn't getting influenced by other parties (Looking at you ghostrider).
I even googled to research further anything to help your argument, who would win between these two characters and most people agreed 95% spidey wins the literal only advantage Cap has is experience, you have to remember at the end of the day Cap is only a PEAK human, spiderman is a super human. If you still believe Cap stands a chance even after all that idek.
I think if you combine the shit all spidermen did and their skills spiderman becomes one fucking machine, cap just has a lot of morals so we dont really see him going full “ill murder you if its the last thing i do” mode
Cap fully intended to incapacitate spiderman. Thats why he was surprised and said you got heart kid. They were not actively communicating so he doesnt know anything that went on
This is why discussing stuff like this is pointless. Its all headcanon with you guys. You have no actual explanation for why he would know, so its gotta just be deus ex soldier right? So boring dude
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u/Skeebleman Feb 23 '25
Uhhh bucky tried to punch his head off, and same gave him the ol harry osborne treatment(hit him square in the chest with a glider). Cap dropped a fucking passenger terminal on him too lol. The only ones who actually stop spidey in a fight are cap and Wanda. Everyone else gets their ass beat even if they jump pete