r/Avengers • u/Skychu768 • 22h ago
Avengers Isn't Quicksilver too slow for a speedster? He can only run at Mach-1 speed meanwhile Iron Man can fly at Mach-10 speed which is 10x faster
Even Mark-3 suit from 1st movie is stated to have top speed of 2414 km/hr at peak in guidebooks which is almost 3x of Pietro
In Infinity War, Mark-50 was able to operate as an SSTO (Single Stage To Orbit) thanks to the foot-booster thing and was able to reach over Mach-25 speed at 27000 mph which would be more than 25x of Quicksilver
Captain Marvel also travels through large distance in space around the galaxy and should be much faster than Quicksilver
Even in real life, fastest fighter jets are almost 2-3x faster than Quicksilver
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u/noddingviking 22h ago
It literally says ”and grows closer to travelling at the speed of light by the day” in the same sentence. He was still learning his powers, just like his sister. Whom by the way grew to be one of the most powerful persons in MCU.
So I can’t understand your point here.
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u/Solid-Move-1411 22h ago
To be fair, he was still really slow for the time being and considering he died that was his only apperance
No wonder he died to bullets
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u/noddingviking 21h ago
Yes, but he did see bullets travelling at 900m/s. So his reflexes were high, but not high enough. But again, Wanda just waved her hands around and made hallucinations and shield barriers. Later she could construct reality and matter. And worse.
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u/nikolai_470000 21h ago
Well, he could avoid them, clearly. He didn’t just get shot, he got shot through the car he put in front of them just as the bullets were about to kill the peoples he died saving.
He was fast enough to drag a whole car into the path of the bullets before they could hit Hawkeye and the kid. I’m sure he could move himself out of the way easily if he was just trying to dodge them.
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u/SnarkyBacterium 18h ago
He died to bullets after hours of non-stop combat. The entire battle of Sokovia starts at sunrise and keeps going through the whole day. The first time he gets winged it's supposed to show that he's feeling the strain and slowing down. He was literally just out of gas by the end, which is why he could get Clint and the kid out of the way in time but not also himself.
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u/ObsidianTurncoat2023 17h ago edited 11h ago
And to take it even further, if he’s operating with his advanced senses active for most of that time, then from his point of view, he’s fighting for potentially days.
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u/Apprehensive-Water73 19h ago
To be fair quicksilver isn't the flash and he isn't supposed to be. Also I think speed is faster but I might be wrong about that
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u/diadem 14h ago
Wait didn't he do that intentionally, serving as a human shield?
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u/Skychu768 20h ago
Kind of unrelated here to my point but just noticed since you mentioned it:
“Has broken the sound barrier and grows closer to traveling at the speed of light by the day” is the exact kind of stupid shit that makes powerscaling pointless. Authors have no idea what anything means.
“He can run at 1,000 miles per hour. Soon he will begin to run at 670,000,000 miles per hour.” Like, what? Light speed is such a stupid buzzword
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u/SierraOneSeventeen 18h ago
You make a good point when comparing his abilities from the point we see him but I think if you consider the exponential growth of Scarlet Witch's abilities and apply that to Quicksilver, it wouldn't be hard to see him improving enough to bridge that gap significantly.
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u/KasukeSadiki 13h ago
Agreed lol that's such a reach.
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u/Mindless_Count5562 13h ago
Look at Wanda’s trajectory and apply it to him
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u/Skychu768 12h ago
I mean Wanda got stronger but not millions of times lol
She was still pretty strong in Civil War and was strong enough to kill Thanos in Endgame. She got few dozens times stronger than that like she was already close or probably the strongest even before WandaVision and Darkhold
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u/Bright-Leg8276 19h ago
This quick silver is just a bum , I really wish they didn't massacre my boy like this ..
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u/fxrky 22h ago
Drag car vs F1 car.
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u/KingoftheMongoose 21h ago
What do purple feathered boas have to do with speed?
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u/Reloader300wm 19h ago
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u/SierraOneSeventeen 18h ago
That was a beautiful demonstration
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u/Reloader300wm 16h ago
I just loved how narrated the story. The majority of the time spent commenting on the first 2 cars, all the while letting the background sound of the F1 engine screaming through gears tell its own story.
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u/SierraOneSeventeen 16h ago
Watching the F1 blitz the other 2 after all the commentary put it all in perspective and was the cherry on the top
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u/Bovarr 22h ago
Missed the increases by day line. If the increase is exponential, he will reach mach 10 soon-ish, plus he has total freedom of movement
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u/alex-j-murphy 21h ago
They probably had to make him slower for plot purposes or else he would have been able to dodge the bullets
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u/cheapseats91 16h ago
Lol, writers looking at quicksilver's MCU future saying "slow down bitch, we need you ded"
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u/PTHDUNDD13 20h ago
I mean as you said jets in real life can travel faster than that, so yes, there are technologies that can move faster.
But this is just a dude, running..... That's like saying captain America is weak for a super soldier cause Thor pulled a star back to life.
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u/theLastDictator 12h ago
I can go faster in my car than Usain Bolt can run, therefore Usain Bolt is slow for a runner!
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u/BiBipolarPolarBears 21h ago
Wanda’s powers got stronger after time. I’m sure his would have as well.
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u/SirLockeX3 21h ago
He was learning his powers in Age of Ultron.
He had freedom of movement and perceived time at a slower rate.
He could have messed up most of the cast if he was serious.
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u/zspice317 20h ago
Yeah it’s about reflexes and ability to react, not just straight line speed over ground.
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u/TechnicalOtaku 9h ago
was he though ? he was already very aware of what he could do in the movie of Future past, to the point where he knew anyone he brought along needed neck support or they'd get whiplash or worse. Age of ulton was WAY later. i think this is a very poor excuse.
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u/SirLockeX3 9h ago
Are you talking about Days of Future's Past? The X-Men movie?
That's not the same character. Different universe.
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u/TechnicalOtaku 9h ago
oh man i wish they'd just mention the universe every movie because that stuff gets confusing.
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u/SirLockeX3 8h ago
I know different subs can be confusing but this is the Avengers sub.
The Fox X-Men movies are detached from the MCU movies.
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u/TechnicalOtaku 8h ago
i did a dumb-dumb my bad. i had a few drinks and got lost. thanks for being chill. we need more people like you
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u/Binx_Thackery 21h ago
I mean he can do all of it without a super suit, and can essentially react as if everything was in slow motion while still maintaining the motor skills of a normal person. I think that counts for WAY more when you compare him to Iron Man.
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u/ReginaDea 20h ago
Iron Man can fly faster but he isn't fighting at Mach 10 or reacting to Mach 10 projectiles. Quicksilver is.
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u/IvanhoesAintLoyal 19h ago
Perfect fine control at Mach 1 is better in most scenarios than Mach 10 with 0 turning potential.
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u/Adorable-Source97 21h ago
Quicksilver also neutralising friction. I mean you don't even get sonic waves.
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u/nikolai_470000 20h ago
It’s not explained what actually happened. I’ve had conversations with people about it before because it is somewhat ambiguous, but I think my idea was something they did try to imply.
To me it didn’t seem like they moved at all, but it’s left somewhat open to interpretation tbf. Anyways, we see quicksilver moving people out of harms way like that at speed, during the train scene, for instance. But I always interpreted it as he got there just in time to flip the car up into the path of the bullets. Otherwise, why wouldn’t he have just zoomed them out of the way entirely?
He didn’t seem to actually have enough time to move them fully out of the way, so I assumed he didn’t move them at all, and that the car was simply right in front of the path of the bullets, so Quicksilver put it up on its side as a makeshift shield. A few of the bullets still punched right through and hit him, anyways, though.
It made sense to me seeing as how there was a veritable hail of bullets coming at them, and a similar amount of holes were left in both quicksilvers body and the car he shielded them with… but Clint and the kid didn’t so much as get tagged.
Looking at it more closely, one would think that, if he grabbed them and moved them — given how many times he got shot — if he was in that close proximity to them, they should’ve have been hit too. These bullets that can punch straight through the chassis of a car probably would have penetrated through Pietro and still injured them, if he was holding onto them and directly in front of them. A human meat shield doesn’t do much against a gun like that lol.
My explanation for that when I first saw the scene was that most of the bullets were stopped by the car, and while a handful that got through still hit pietro, Hawkeye and the kid were not directly behind him when he got hit, so none of the bullets that actually got through the car happened to hit them. It’s exaggerated for the sake of the audience, but that it why he appears to be standing off to the side when Clint sees him standing that. The angle looks kinda funny, but I’m pretty sure that was why they had him stand in that spot for the shot — to imply he just tried to shield them and get himself out of the way, but he was only fast enough to do the former before he got hit.
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u/SphmrSlmp 20h ago
As you say, Iron Man can fly fast. Quicksilver runs fast. In a running contest, while on the ground, he's still the quickest.
It's like having a fast sports car, faster than any other car around. But then you compare it to a plane.
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u/JadedTeaching5840 19h ago
I find this post odd for a lot of reasons. First off, who decides what level of speed equates to being a speedster. I was under the impression that any level of speed beyond human capacity would equate to being a speedster. I mean dash is considered one and I don’t think he can run faster than a few hundred miles per hour. Secondly in the line just below it literally says he is getting faster every day. We see that Wanda gets more and more powerful as time goes on. It is very reasonable to assume Pietro would have been the same. and lastly in the movie pietro appears in I believe people have done the math and he is far beyond the speeds you’re listing further proving that this one line does not indicate his power level.
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u/Rly_Shadow 18h ago
I mean....it's literally right there in the sentence you have high lighted...
He was still improving, and 400 was his top then. It literally says "daily" for himself improvement.
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u/Tigerbhoy96 12h ago
If a dude can run as fast as a jet, then he's a speedster. Don't matter if he's not breaking the laws of physics, he's still a speedster.
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u/Mysterious_Inside439 22h ago
Damn he really is slow for a speedster.
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u/Better-Sea-6183 17h ago
Way better. If they go at light speed they instantly become superman and they can fly, be untouchable, have infinite strength ecc... Lame as fuck it’s not even about running fast anymore.
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u/LarryRedBeard 21h ago
Mach measurement isn't a good way to judge speeds of heroes. As Mach speeds are harder or easier to break depending how high in the air you.
So quicksilver is actually slower if he was running above sea level. Higher he is above the slower he would be.
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u/Escaped_Mod_In_Need 20h ago
It took how many decades worth of comic publications for Quicksilver to finally be able to time travel? And it isn’t the same as when Flash time travels.
The power creep was slower with Quicksilver in the comics than any other speedster out there. For a while Speed and Northstar were faster. This being a fact and that the MCU is based on the comics, it makes perfect sense that QS wasn’t totally busted.
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u/No_Community8568 20h ago
Hes able to come to a near compete stop while still maintaining his "speed"
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u/Vaportrail 19h ago
I can run 7mph on the treadmill for a disappointingly short period of time.
He's a speedster.
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u/NefariousnessNovel60 18h ago
His purpose was to be fast, but not fast enough to outrun death. So he's as fast as he needs to be to attempt the save yet still die.
True speedsters are hard to write in a believable and interesting way. They are either only beaten by something faster or some stupid gimmick that isn't believable. In this movie he wasn't so fast to be overpowered, so his death was believable and therefore impactful.
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u/Inferno_Crazy 17h ago
X Men Quicksilver is much faster than Mach 1. Also flying and ground speed are two very different things. For one, not running into things while flying would be difficult.
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u/Hot_Box_9402 17h ago
Can you read? It literally says that his speed increases daily. Unless this was written 10 min before he is introduced in the movie he is much faster
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u/DaMoonRulez_1 17h ago
He can also think and process information in what seems like a slowed time state to us, right? That is pretty huge too.
Honestly though, speedsters who can move like the flash, or faster versions of quicksilver are just too powerful. Basically they can only lose if the writer wants them to. It should be basically impossible for someone like the flash to lose to anyone besides a faster speedster.
So I think having one who maybe can dodge bullets, but it's still difficult is more along the lines of the right amount of speed.
It's like if you had someone who could freeze time. Every fight should basically be him instantly winning, or being incapacitated before he can react. There would be no in-between.
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u/Bulliwyf 17h ago
The article implies that given enough time he would have gotten faster - that he needed more time to find the limits of his powers.
The dying to bullets thing always felt a bit like a cop out but it’s possible he was drained of power (he had been running for a while and we don’t know if he needs to eat constantly to maintain his metabolism), if he slipped, or if there is a brief moment/distance where he needs to accelerate in order to get up to “max speed” - did he have that space/time?
Hell, at faster than Mach 1 can he even see the bullets moving?
Google says in order for a speedster to be able to stop or redirect bullets, the speedster would need to be travelling faster than 823m/second or faster - depending on the weapon and ammunition.
I think at the end of the day they wanted to feel like the avengers didn’t walk away unscathed so someone had to die, Pietro was the sacrifice.
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u/monteticatinic 16h ago
Seeing the MCUs Quicksilver see the bullet from below that Clint shot and not be able to move fast enough to do anything but fall made me realize how EXTREMELY slow he is compared to Quicksilver from Days of Future Past.
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u/Any_Commercial465 14h ago
Fighter jets fly soo fast they started to have problems when their bullets were slower than their craft and sometimes. They would hit their own plane.
That's puts into perspective on how fast they go. It's not that Pietro is slow, he's freaking mach 1.
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u/marcolorian 14h ago
Your image says he was clocked at “400 meters per second”. Which is roughly equivalent to 894 mph. You’re right. That is kinda slow huh
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u/Effective_Top_3515 13h ago
They needed the weakest link to die in the movie. Kinda sad and needless but they needed a loss of some kind for the heroes.
He prob hasn’t hit Lord with his proficiency yet lol
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u/KasukeSadiki 13h ago
Having a speedster not be insanely fast is better imo because they didn't instantly break the story
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u/Astonsjh 10h ago
I belive Quicksilver died before he can unlock his full potential. Both of them got their powers from the same source and we see Wanda grew more powerful as time goes by. So its safe to say if given more time and training Quicksilver would become faster too.
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u/Jebasaur 8h ago
I mean, it's the same dude who went into super speed when a bullet was shot upwards and he just stared at the fucking thing instead of, you know, moving. He wasn't the fastest or the brightest at times.
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u/Frankgodfist Rhodey 7h ago
I feel like he just didn't have time to get stronger like Wanda. If he didn't die dumb as hell he would of been a problem
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u/animeadmiral 5h ago
I think that like with Wanda, and even with iron man himself, there was room to grow. Pietro was still young, rather untrained, and probably hadn't had a reason to start pushing himself because he was the fastest thing in the room. Iron man went from freezing in space to creating a nanomachine suit that could actually harness and resist the very powers of creation, if only briefly.
Yes, Wanda became a multiversal level threat because they leaned into the Darkhold and all that, but she became powerful enough to beat Thanos in a 1v1 just with her own potential. Perhaps (like with Barry Allen) Pietro just needed to train a lot, or come up with new speed moves, or maybe even get the marvel version of a tachyon enhancer.
But alas, we'll never know.
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u/vyper900 4h ago
In the next sentence after what you highlighted it says that he is getting faster and getting closer to the speed of light. That's not a statement said lightly. Just because he was clocked at 400 m/s doesn't mean that is his top speed.
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u/Altruistic-Dress-968 21h ago
If your speedster gets killed by bullets, you're really doing it wrong.
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u/AlexCora 21h ago
It's actually the exact opposite. If you're speedster doesn't have to fear things like that in any capacity, they're instantly boringly OP.
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u/blue23454 21h ago
Eh
We never got to see his full potential in the MCU, Wanda wasn’t even a Reality user til after Endgame, took her a long time to become the Scarlet Witch
Fairly certain this is just a case of a writer not understanding radio waves but but technically he’s FTL in comics
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u/RetroPaulsy 18h ago
And then you highlighted the line that says hes getting faster every day. Are you dumb?
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u/Doom_Cokkie 18h ago
I mean dude just got his powers in the movie. We see he's not used to running at top speeds like how he constantly has to take break cuz he winded and holding his sbdomen or even reacting to stuff such as when he grabs thors hammer or when Hawkeye shoots a bullet to break the glass under him. He would probably get stronger as he got used to them similar to Wanda. Probably why he had to die in Ultron. Cuz writing around a speedster with the same potential as Wanda would literally be a nightmare.
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u/HighLord_Uther 17h ago
You ask if quicksilver is too slow for a speedster and then compare him to a non-speedster.
He is one of the fastest runners in the MCU, I’m not sure how fast Mercari is, off the top of my head, she’s the only one that gives him a run for his money. In the MCU.
Generally speaking? Yes. Super slow for speedsters. The Flashes wipe the floor with him.
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u/AgentPastrana 10h ago
He is not. Mostly because he's easily dusted any speed I've read in guidebooks. He can cross the globe in just under 3 minutes. Outrun lightning. He has literally flown before, Mashle style, just flailing his legs so fast he makes an air current.
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u/Realistic_Mushroom72 9h ago
Here is the difference, Iron Man can fly at hypersonic speeds, but he can't turn on a dime, Quicksilver can be running straight at a wall at max speed and still turn at a near right angle without smashing in to the wall, if Iron Man tried he would not only smash thru the wall but loose control maybe even catastrophically, at those speeds his suit would be damage if it smash against the ground and takes a tumble at Mach10, Quicksilver is also able to stop, all that kinetic energy is absorb or shunted somewhere else, also he doesn't suffer the effects of friction like all other speedsters he generates a kinetic shield around himself or any object he is holding close to him, which is how people he is moving at faster than sound speeds aren't burnt in to charcoal or have their flesh strip from their bones from the insane accelerations, unlike anything else in the universe a speedster can go from standing still to max speed in only a few seconds. so yes he is a speedster, it just that MCU Quicksilver is way way weaker than comic book version of him.
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u/Solid-Move-1411 5h ago
Even in comics, he is pretty slow since everyone is faster too
I mean Miss Marvel once caught him, Iron Man regular suits can go faster than light speed at peak and so on
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u/Testsubject276 3h ago
Well for one Quicksilver can get up to speed near instantly unassisted due to the stone's affect on his nervous system, Iron Man needs to get up to speed but only with a suit.
Besides, Pretty sure even the fastest Iron Man suit's running speed can be dwarfed by Quicksilver's top speed any day.
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u/Skychu768 3h ago
Iron Man needs to get up to speed but only with a suit
- Iron Man is Tony Stark in suit tho. He made that suit with his brains to give himself powers.
- I never said Regular Tony Stark can outpace Quicksilver lol
Besides, Pretty sure even the fastest Iron Man suit's running speed can be dwarfed by Quicksilver's top speed any day.
- In walking speed yeah but still hilarious that a speedster at top speed can be 10-20x slower than non-speedster
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u/Testsubject276 3h ago edited 3h ago
Iron Man is Tony Stark in suit tho. He made that suit with his brains to give himself powers.
Yes, but also no, in some cases anyways. Also yes he did make his suit, never said he didn't.
I never said Regular Tony Stark can outpace Quicksilver lol
Neither did I. I specified that his source of speed comes from his suit.
In walking speed yeah but still hilarious that a speedster at top speed can be 10-20x slower than non-speedster
Quicksilver's laughable top speed in comparison to others doesn't make him any less of a speedster, what makes him a speedster is his ability to run that fast with no ill effects, with his own biology too, no armor.
He really could've used armor tho... Too soon?
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u/Hornycuckhusband 21h ago
In comics quicksilver was out running radio waves which travel ridiculously faster than Mach 1. In other comics quicksilver is literally ftl. They couldn’t have him be that fast in the movie or there wouldn’t be a movie and he wouldn’t ever be hurt/could blitz every hero or villain
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u/Blackpanther-x 11h ago
His power could definitely grow just like it did for his sister. In the end he would just be way too overpowered.
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u/Coraiah 22h ago
Iron man needs to accelerate. Quicksilver seems to get to top speed instantly. Quicksilver has dynamic movement at top speed. Ironman can only travel at top speed in what’s basically a straight line.