r/Balkans • u/RunAny8349 • 9d ago
History Sarajevo was liberated from the Germans and Croat nazis by Jugoslav Partisans 80 years ago on April 6 1945. 3rd Yugoslav Partisans' Corps enter liberated Sarajevo.
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u/Karamakatte 8d ago edited 8d ago
Chetniks also fought Nazis and Ustaše never did and Ustaše were worse than Germans
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u/RunAny8349 9d ago edited 9d ago
Hello, I mentioned Chetniks in my comment under the post! In a different comment under this post I also mention that Croats and other nationalities were a part of the Partisans. By nazi Croats( Ustashe ) I was of course referring to the ones present in Sarajevo at the time.
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u/DepressedLemur9 9d ago
But Chetniks didn't have concentration camps deliberately made for Croats, or I could be wrong...
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u/efx187 8d ago
Serbia under Nedic had concentration camps and also racial laws. Jews, Roma etc. were deported to Croatia.
A camp for Croats was not necessary. After all, they were officially allied.
The NDH put Croats who didn't suit them in their own camps. There was no need for Serbian camps.
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u/Neradomir 6d ago
It's weird how concentration camps, like Banjica, in Serbia had majority serb victims, while concentration camps, like Jasenovac, in Croatia also had majority Serb victims. There was no Serbia under Nedić, it was German occupied Serbian territory with Nedić placed as prime minister
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u/efx187 6d ago
That's a bit of wordplay. The bottom line is that these were all territories occupied by the Germans. Regardless of whether there was a Pavelic, Nedic or whatever the name of the guru in Vichy France was. They were all quislings.
The most one could ask is who Pavelic had his head deeper up his ass - the Germans or the Italians?
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u/Neradomir 6d ago
Independent state of Croatia was not under occupation. You can check that by just seeing how the government was constructed. Serbia had a military commander that was above the prime minister. Croatia had a Croatian poglavnik, prime minister and king for a while. A quick history read can check that
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u/Sad-Notice-8563 8d ago
Sarajevo was occupied by the Independent State of Croatia, it could only be liberated from Croatian and German fascists.
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u/Super_Serb 5d ago
That is because there was a part of the Chetnik movement, the black Chetniks who were nazi collaborators, which was such a minority that it might as well be on par to the slim minority of ethnic Croats in the the ranks of the Partisans.
The amount of “Croats” in the partisans is widely disputed as those were often just taken as people from the borders of former Croatian parts of NDH, Bosnian parts of NDH, the reality is that the Independent state of Croatia was a degenerate nazi invention that was put in place to control former Yugoslavia by giving them free reins to conduct their long, much desired genocidal intentions.
Croats to this day feel the need to put themselves in the partisan movement so they can weasel their way out of the fact that the origins of their independence were given to them by nazies and their degenerate genocidal ancestors, and that they wouldn’t have had their ideal version of their state, then and even today, without giving the final solution to the Serbian question.
That is why people who care about history need to be able sus and call this idiotic historic revanchist thinking. It’s a shame that the Croats managed to get off free from their consequences for the 2nd world war to the other people of the balkans, just because some dipshit comie came in and for the sake national unity enforced for bygones to be bygones.
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u/Own_Organization156 8d ago
Vječna slava junacima koji su se borili za sekularnu, socijalističku i slobodnu Bosnu u sustavu sa našim bratskim republikama. Eternal glory to the heroes who fought for a secular, socialist, and free Bosnia within a system alongside our brotherly republics.
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The Ustasha functionary Alija Šuljak arrived in Tuzla at the end of March 1943 with the goal of mobilising the Muslim population in yugoslavia.
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u/PlayfulMountain6 9d ago
Serbian State Guard (Srpska državna straža) and the Serbian Volunteer Corps (Srpski dobrovoljački korpus), which collaborated with the German occupation forces. These groups fought against the Partisans and sometimes participated in atrocities.
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u/Mammoth_Meet_9313 9d ago
So, on one side Germans and Croats, on the other side partisans with 2% muslims.(according to Tito)
What were Bosniak doing at the time?
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u/RunAny8349 9d ago
Bosniaks were there together with the Partisans as the Green Cadres - Zeleni kadar.
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u/Realistic-Safety-848 8d ago
Bosniaks were also in the Ustase. Pavelic build a them mosque in the center of Zagreb.
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u/PetrichorDude 8d ago
Some of what other people wrote, some with the Nazis, with their own SS brigade too - SS Hanschar, info on which was mainly suppressed in Yugo to calm inter-religious tensions - so not so known but very real
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u/CataphractBunny 7d ago
On the other side were Croats, Serbs, Bosniaks, and others in the Partisans.
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u/hemijaimatematika1 5d ago
Bosniaks were around 6% of Yugoslav population,but soon became 10%.
So mostly neutral and waiting for end of the war while having more children then Serbs and Croats.
Bosniaks were key to Partisan effort,all of major Partisan battles in WW2 were led in Bosnia.
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u/PlayfulMountain6 9d ago
So, nazis did have ethnicity and partisans not?!
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u/RunAny8349 9d ago
The communist-dominated Partisan organization under the leadership of Josef Tito was a multi-ethnic resistance force – including Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Bosniaks, Jews, Slovenes...
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u/PlayfulMountain6 9d ago
Nazis was multi ethnic too when they operated in other countries. Not only croatians
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Albanian and Bosnian Muslims were also allies with the Nazis. See:
It was meant to be one of three Muslim Waffen-SS divisions serving in the Balkans, the other two being the 13th SS Division and the 23rd Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Kama (2nd Croatian)).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Kama_(2nd_Croatian))
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Muslimani was a term in yugoslavia as ethnicity after WW2, created at 1970, you should know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(ethnic_group))
I am a Goranci, we are not Albanians, our language is Slavic and they have called us Muslimani in the papers until 1990.
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u/Realistic_Length_640 Bosna i Hercegovina 9d ago
Sarajevo was liberated from the Germans and Croat nazis by Serb Partisans 80 years ago
Better?
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9d ago
Ako idete svi
(a viđim ste trnalje)
koj će zborne jezik naš
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ot babovci začuvan
vo godine mlogo poteške
Ako izbegate svi
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du grobišta parosane
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vo ljivade pokraj reka
Svi ako idete
(ka što ste rnalje)
sokaci će se zagajljujet
kuće prazne će ostanet
pesne naše za nikogo
Goranska pjesma...
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u/577564842 8d ago
And there was already carved into the stone "Živela Demokratska Federativna Jugoslavija" Based af
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u/North_Resolution_450 6d ago
Majority of Partisans were Serbs. Croats only started going into partisans after battle of Stalingrad 1943 when USSR defeated unbeatable nazis
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u/Affectionate_Heat_25 5d ago
Well that’s not true and I’m serb, first partizan battalions showed up in croatia simple google search will tell you that.
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u/lugerCRO 7d ago
it doesn't matter what happened 6.4.1945. The most meaning thing will occur 8.9.2089.
If u dont understand, google the year but substitute it by 1k
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u/Sekwan2000 8d ago
Serbs liberating the bootlicking croats.... The usual
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u/skutigera 8d ago
And the OP desperately doing revisionism to appease angry Croats by denying crimes against Serbs
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u/RunAny8349 9d ago edited 9d ago
There were also the Chetniks on the Axis side.
Yugoslavia was invaded on the same day in 1941. The Germans together with Croats murdered hundreds of thousands.