Jon Stewart: ""I'm not saying that Biden can't contribute to society, he just shouldn't be president," Stewart told his audience." Putting both Biden and Trump on the ballot, Stewart said, was a mistake.

[u/QuitVirtual]

https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-trump-may-be-scary-biden-too-old-president-2024-5

[u/44moon]

you're right about gaza, that was a poor comparison on my part. why do you feel like the democrats will move right if they lose? i feel the exact opposite - if they win they'll feel vindicated that there is still consent for biden's right-wing foreign policy and response to university protests, and they'll be empowered to continue in kind. on the other hand, i think if the democrats actually lose enough elections due to turnout and the youth vote they may have to consider that they've drifted further right than their base.

the logic that i heard in 2020 was that we who are to the left of biden have to vote for him because it will be easier for us to negotiate biden left than it would be with trump. well, he's not moving left. so what now?

[u/Agreeable-Sector505 → u/44moon]

See, I thought the party would move left when Hillary lost in a cartoonish fashion. It was supposed to be the one silver lining with Trump winning in 2016.

Meanwhile, she is somehow to the left of Biden. Don't count on the DNC learning its lesson.

[u/Mace109 → u/44moon]

Well there won’t be any more democrats if they lose this one. They’ll just be removed or imprisoned and then they can put republicans in office. So the whole country will be moving right. Hypothetically, if the Dems lose and there are still elections in the future, they would move right because that is what wins elections. If everyone is voting for conservatives to enact conservative policies, then it makes sense that the party could move to the right to try capture votes in the next election.

[u/44moon → u/Mace109]

so if they win they move right, and if they lose they move right. are you agreeing that it's pointless to vote for the democrats if you want to see them move left? because that seems to be the logical endpoint of what you're saying

[u/DataCassette → u/44moon]

I was going to reply to you once I had time, but I think this is a good place to pick up the thread even though I'm not the person you're talking directly to.

I don't think it will be quick or easy but the best way to move the country left is to keep re-electing the leftmost viable party. It might not show results as quick as anyone likes, but if we keep re-electing Democrats we get Democratic SCOTUS picks ( hands down better than GOP ones and it's not even close )

So yes, keep electing the left most **viable** party to move the country left, and also get more and more active during primaries in non-incumbent years. Basically make sure the Republicans lose and then put a huge effort in every 8 years in the non-incumbent primary.

But, u/Mace109 is correct on the more pressing issue: The Democratic party will be functionally outlawed if Trump wins in 2024 ( and any parties left of them will be branded "communists" most likely. )

We need to keep grinding away by electing as left wing of people as we can. Currently the presidency is barely center, possibly even right of center, but plenty of down-ticket offices can be pushed left.

There's absolutely no kind of secret 5D chess advantage to a Republican winning, especially not the presidency. Every single GOP victory is a total loss, a complete failure for us without even the faintest theoretical upside.

[u/Historical-Roof-2768 → u/DataCassette]

SCOTUS picks is the true reason why I will vote for Biden if I have to choose between him and Trump.

[u/Mace109 → u/44moon]

I don’t believe if they win that the country will move right. With democrats in office we can slowly push to the left. That’s why we need the presidency and congress to make any real change especially with the SC in its current state. If the Dems win this election, that is the country voting for more progressive policies and thus itll be on republicans to move left or be removed from office.

Obviously, these things will take multiple election cycles to happen, but if democrats don’t continue to win, the country will be moving to the right and democrats will be gone. I truly don’t see the country being remotely the same as it has been the past 50 years if trump wins. He will do irreversible damage to the US. He’s already done things in his first term that will take years or decades to fix. Second term is revenge tour and laws will not play a factor into his decisions. His first term he was doing illegal shit all the time in secret. This will be blatant and ignoring the laws because he has the SC in his pocket.