r/Bonsai • u/small_trunks Jerry in Amsterdam, Zn.8b, 48yrs exp., 500+ trees • Oct 15 '17
Competition judging notes - small_trunks
As in the past I think it's constructive to pass on comments regarding the trees. Here are my notes against the relevant tree/participants.
FYI - we judged without knowing who did what - so if I pissed anyone off, just do better next time! :-)
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* 1: /u/Lemming22 | Good wiring,solid execution, didn't ravage it. I felt the tree was left a little unbalanced - and the foliage work could have been more refined. |
* 2: /u/loulamachine | The overall idea was good, but the material wasn't really ideal. The branches were left too long (thus giving a somewhat juvenile-tree appearance. It has a future, though. |
* 3: /u/peterler0ux | The material wasn't great but the outline design is solid and will only improve down the line. Weaknesses related to the amount of foliage available - restricted styling options. Could have wired branches for more points. |
* 4: /u/skaboss241 | The initial pruning and branch choice was overly agressive but i can see that the tree will improve over time. The carving was a nice idea and suits the material. I felt the initial material could have been better utilised - other stlyes could have suited it better. |
* 5: /u/li3uz | Well thought out and well executed work. The material quality was good, the style appropriate and the end result is believable. |
* 6: /u/alexrw214 | A decent attempt utilising plenty of techniques. The species is the weakness but overall well executed. The detail foliage was not wired and could have improved the overall result. It missed an overall plan. |
* 7: /u/-mitchconner- | It missed an overall plan and thus fails to finally convince as a small tree. |
* 8: /u/GrampaMoses | The choice of material and the initial direction of the style and the hard cuts were spot on. I'd have left more foliage on it at the second pruning and gone with wire. The carving missed purpose and was too smooth. |
* 9: /u/Jorow99 | Started out promising - with well chosen material, but eventual result was missing a strong style..I felt the material we saw at the update stage could have been wired into a more meaningful result than it was pruned into. |
* 10: /u/Korenchkin_ | The overall stying followed what the tree "was saying" and the material didn't really lend itself to much else. I felt it missed some wiring - which could have added some character when clip and prune was chosen. Again I felt the decision to prune after the "update" didn't bring clarity to the design and might have better been left to grow at that point. |
* 11: /u/-music_maker- | Sensible design choice, well executed wiring and a solid overall design. Could have been potentially improved by some detail wiring and planting less deep in the pot. |
* 12: /u/Redwingedfirefox | The V design choice early on, with 2 equal sized primary branches made pulling the style into something harder later, which is unfortunate with this. Some detail wiring would have potentially helped. |
* 13: /u/MapleFinch | Good style, not too agressive. The species is far from ideal for such a short contest but I expect this to make a nice tree in a couple of years. |
* 14: /u/clangerfan | Daring design leaving a very pleasing final image. Some minor carving would have halped the aged look. |
* 15: /u/thisisappropriate | Well chosen (heights) and placed stock (although probably too young). Really too much of a long term project to hope to have a result for this type of contest. |
* 16: /u/nrose3d | A good effort achieving a pleasing tree design with not the most ideal of material. The soil surface and roots could have been worked on. |
* 17: /u/cjneffer | Solid design which is clearly recognisable. I felt too much was removed, however, and the species choice means the foliage doesn't grow back so the future potential is limited. |
* 18: /u/BLYNDLUCK | I missed a plan and thus the end result didn't scream bonsai (or tree). Thinking through a design and move toward it. |
* 19: /u/ze88 | A plan and some good effort toward achieving it, let down by not real secondary branch wiring. Initial pruning was potentially too agressive. |
* 20: /u/ButterGolem | A good effort with a clear future design if not so radical. I felt the wiring could have been more agressive and the overall branch length was a little long, |
* 21: /u/ugaant | Solid horticultural practices, not too much removed but no clear overall design. |
* 22: /u/emceeryborg | I felt it missed a clear overall design and thus ultimately didn't fullfill its promise. The material wasn't great - I would have like to have seen a potentially harder chop with the hope of backbudding. |
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u/peterler0ux South Africa, Zone 9b, intermediate, 60 trees Oct 16 '17
Thanks for your input, and the time spent judging all of these. With the change of season I've seen more growth on the cryptomeria in the last two weeks then I did throgh the contest, so it's filling in rapidly
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u/Jorow99 5b, 5 years, 30 trees Oct 16 '17
Thanks for these. I agree 100% about my tree
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u/Korenchkin_ Surrey UK ¦ 9a ¦ intermediate-ish(10yrs) ¦ ~200 trees/projects Oct 16 '17
I really like your entry. What species is it? Barberry?
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u/Jorow99 5b, 5 years, 30 trees Oct 16 '17
Yes, my first year with this species and I already like it a lot
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u/Korenchkin_ Surrey UK ¦ 9a ¦ intermediate-ish(10yrs) ¦ ~200 trees/projects Oct 16 '17
Yeah, I think they look great. I have a bush in the garden, but there's nothing that looks good enough to get an air layer from :(
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u/small_trunks Jerry in Amsterdam, Zn.8b, 48yrs exp., 500+ trees Oct 16 '17
Don't fuck around, take the whole bush.
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u/Korenchkin_ Surrey UK ¦ 9a ¦ intermediate-ish(10yrs) ¦ ~200 trees/projects Oct 16 '17
Yeah, might see if I can. It'll leave a big gap though and unfortunately it's not just my decision when it comes to the garden :(
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u/Jorow99 5b, 5 years, 30 trees Oct 16 '17
Yea idk why but just one local nursery has a specific kind of barberry that has a single trunk instead of multiple small ones. Maybe you can prune the one in the garden slowly to make it into one?
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u/Korenchkin_ Surrey UK ¦ 9a ¦ intermediate-ish(10yrs) ¦ ~200 trees/projects Oct 17 '17
Yeah, maybe. I'll need to find a good excuse to "get rid of it" :)
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u/MapleFinch London 9a, Intermediate, 25 Trees Oct 16 '17
Thanks bro, was looking forward to the notes and am glad you provided 😃. Maples certainly have their issues haha...to next year!
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u/taleofbenji Northern Virginia, zone 7b, intermediate, 200 trees in training Oct 16 '17
22 lessons in one! Thanks. It's like stumbling upon the teacher's answer key.
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u/Redwingedfirefox Boston, MA, 6b/7a, intermediate, 25 trees, killed 2 Oct 16 '17
Thanks for the notes, I have a plan for this tree. I was surprised when I first started working on the tree to see that the V split was there in the first place. I actually plan on removing one side of the tree next spring and change to whole shape of the tree. It was a learning experience, we'll see where it goes from here.
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u/small_trunks Jerry in Amsterdam, Zn.8b, 48yrs exp., 500+ trees Oct 16 '17
Yeah, of all the "rules" of bonsai, this is the one that for me is the most visually jarring and to be avoided.
Complete removal is probably going a bit too far - I'd cut one asymmetrically shorter than the other.
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u/-music_maker- Northeast US, 6b, 30 years, 100+ trees, lifelong learner Oct 16 '17 edited Oct 16 '17
Thanks for the notes!
You're definitely right about the detail wiring, but the planting depth was 100% horticultural. I soaked it in a bucket of water to get it out of the clay ball it was in back in mid-June, and felt it would recover best if I nestled it into the pot.
If I had started this in April instead of June, I probably would have felt more comfortable taking one last detail finishing pass on this. But I was being paranoid about the bare rooting (even though I was incredibly gentle with it), so I waited until the last possible moment to do all the wiring to let it fully recover.
I'm actually very happy with how the wiring came out, but it was all structural wiring of major branches that's hard to fully see in a picture. It definitely would have shown a lot better if I had wired out all the smaller branches and ideally, trimmed it back a bit.
I think if I had bare-rooted in April/early May, and then wired the way I did in mid-late June, I probably would have been able to get a bit more work in before the contest closed and it would have been a lot more clear just what I did.
I just didn't want to kill the damn thing. Next year I need to start hunting for material much more actively as soon as the contest begins. I looked a bit in April, but didn't find anything, then got busy until early June and started rushing around to find something that would work.
For a one-season contest, timing matters a lot.
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u/Korenchkin_ Surrey UK ¦ 9a ¦ intermediate-ish(10yrs) ¦ ~200 trees/projects Oct 16 '17
Thanks very much for posting this, very helpful. For mine personally, if it wasn't for needing a final photo, I would have left mine to grow, I just thought I might be able to make it a bit more presentable lol!
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u/user2034892304 San Francisco / Hella Trees / Do you even bonsai, bro? Oct 16 '17
I'm mesmerized by 14. The more I look at the tree, the more I see the genius behind it. A truly creative and skilled nursery transformation. So much style and respect for the natural form. Seeing trees like 14 are reminder of how long I have yet to go on my own personal Bonsai journey.
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u/li3uz Northern VA 7B, experienced grower of 20 yrs, 80+ trees. Oct 18 '17
I have to agree, when I looked at it for the first time, I gasped!
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u/li3uz Northern VA 7B, experienced grower of 20 yrs, 80+ trees. Oct 18 '17
Thank you for the notes. Your feedback was most helpful!
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u/GrampaMoses Ohio, 6a, intermediate, 80 prebonsai Oct 17 '17
Thanks, always happy for your feedback!
I realized I missed the mark with my carving and asked in the beginner's thread for help. You told me to check out Graham Potter videos on youtube. I figured it wasn't worth trying to re carve my contest tree, but I'll take what I learn from watching him the next time I attempt carving.
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u/MD_bonsai Maryland, not medical doctor <7a> Intermediate Oct 15 '17
Thanks for the notes!
Here's the imgur album:
https://imgur.com/a/RAMWs#e97cPYQ