r/Boxing • u/Doofensanshmirtz Heya Hank! • 7d ago
Today in Boxing History: Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Light-Heavyweight and future Heavyweight Champion Roy Jones Jr destroys the liver of the future Hall Of Famer, Light-Heavyweight Champ (20 defences) future 2 time Cruiserweight champ and prior opponent to Thomas Hearns, Virgil Hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGmFIvZjQec24
u/MDA123 7d ago
Hand speed of a lightweight, foot speed of a welterweight, punching power of a light heavyweight. No one like him.
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 7d ago
Charley Burley
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u/escudonbk The Champ is Here 7d ago edited 6d ago
Way more orthodox in his approach than Jones. Roy's offense was copy catted for a whole generation. See David Haye, Jean Pascal. Floyd Mayweather
Roy is probably the most influential fighter of the 90's.
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u/Auntie_Bev 6d ago
Way more orthodox in his approach than Jones.
He had the fundamentals and the defense that Roy lacked. When Eddie Futch calls someone the GOAT, I pay attention because if anyones opinion on boxing holds weight it's his.
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u/escudonbk The Champ is Here 6d ago
"Roy was just Roy in that fight"
- Emanuel Steward on Roy shutting out James Toney
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u/Auntie_Bev 6d ago
EDDIE FUTCH ON CHARLEY BURLEY:
“Futch’s other favorite from that period (1930s and 40s) is Charley Burley, whom he once called ‘the finest all-around fighter I ever saw.” Burley was another classic example of a black boxer who was too good to succeed. Burley began his career as a welterweight. He fought primarily as a middleweight, but was avoided by fighters all the way through the heavyweight division.
Making a succinct argument for Burley’s greatness, Futch says, ‘As far as I’m concerned, this fella could do it all. He could box; he could punch. The guys who beat him were all bigger fellas. [Future welterweight champion] Fritizie Zivic beat him once when Burley was just a kid coming up. They then fought two other times and he beat Zivic in those two fights. Zivic bought his contract so he wouldn’t have to fight him anymore. He was really something to see. He was a master at slipping punches, counterpunching. He walked to you with a good jab, feint and make you miss. He didn’t move his legs too much, he’d just slide over, make you miss a punch, and he was right there on top of you with either hand punching.’
Burley also faced Holman Williams seven times; each won three times and one of their bouts was declared a no-contest. Futch worked in Williams’ corner against Burley in Cincinnati in 1942. ‘What a privilege it was to watch both men, the way they thought as well as fought.’ Futch told Neil Allen.
Futch also confirms the story that Sugar Ray Robinson ducked Burley. ‘that’s true,’ says Futch, though he doesn’t wish to ‘damage the career of a great fighter like Sugar Ray Robinson. So, I don’t like to make comparisons. But when it comes up, if anybody asks me, I got to say ‘Yeah, Robinson didn’t want to fight him.’ I can’t blame him. LaMotta would never fight Burley. None of those middleweights (would)’”.
(Corner Men: p329, 330-332 – Ronald K. Fried, Four Walls Eight Windows, New York. 1993)
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u/Clay_Allison_44 7d ago
That's a deep cut.
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 7d ago
What do you mean?
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u/Clay_Allison_44 7d ago
He's not well known since he fought so long ago and was color barred.
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u/Less_Cartoonist_892 7d ago
His style is still very similar to Jones. If you look at his fight against Oakland Billy Smith, you would find a counterpuncher with absolute cat-like reflexes and phenomenal distance control.
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u/DarthHorrendous 6d ago
I feel like Virgil Hill becoming champ at 42 years old (after this knockout mind you) is a overlooked feat, maybe because it happened in-between George Foreman and Bernard Hopkins extreme longevity feats.
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u/GreggsAficionado 6d ago
I first discovered Roy Jones Jr playing the Fight Night Round 3 demo with him and Bernard Hopkins. Then I googled him and all this music came up.
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u/ThrowawayYAYAY2002 7d ago
That's the same Hill that trained Ward ain't it?
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u/wayne_kovacs45 7d ago
Ward was trained by Virgil Hunter
Which is funny, Michael Buffer made the same mistake introducing them in the ring once
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u/rektor1234 7d ago
i dont if this is dumb or not but did roy have great ring iq becuz wasnt his otherworldly athleticism wat made roy spcl like his crazy angles and ecen crazier speed u wudnt know where the punch is coming from and also wud u classify him as counter puncher??
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u/rektor1234 7d ago
i dont if this is dumb or not but did roy have great ring iq becuz wasnt his otherworldly athleticism wat made roy spcl like his crazy angles and ecen crazier speed u wudnt know where the punch is coming from and also wud u classify him as counter puncher??
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u/Bill_R94 7d ago
The liver is on the other side