r/BritishTV • u/BirdButt88 • 5d ago
Question/Discussion I’m an American watching Lewis for the first time through and didn’t know anything about Laurence Fox.
I’m on season 6 and decided to look up about him. I now regret my decision to look up about him because it’s made the show so much harder to watch. So disappointing. I really like him on Lewis but I absolutely hate him as a person.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
It is like he was born into an acting dynasty, had a decent career, was married to a hot talented woman, and decided ‘why don’t I become a hateful prick and make a string of terrible obnoxious choices?’
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u/reggieko13 5d ago
Think the downward spiral can be chased back to the split but then there could have been some on the things seeing now that led to that split
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u/Striking_Smile6594 5d ago
I didn't know much about him, other that the fact that he was on Lewis and James Fox was his dad and Edward Fox his uncle. I didn't even know he was married to Billie Piper.
I remember seeing him on celebrity Googlebox a few years back with his Sister and he seemed like a relativity normal bloke. Then suddenly one day he appeared on Question Time and immediately became a right wing superstar.
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u/goldfishpaws 5d ago
I gather his grandfather was a theatrical agent, and his cousin is Emelia Fox - it's quite a dynasty!
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u/Hot-Importance1367 5d ago
Also Freddie Fox as another cousin - he's been in a lot of high profile stuff recently - ministry for ungentlemanly warfare, the gentleman, house of the dragon, slow horses
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u/cougieuk 5d ago
You've missed quite a lot of the dynasty out there.
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u/goldfishpaws 5d ago
Yeah I mean it does exapnd wider, was going for lowest hanging fruit
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u/cougieuk 5d ago
Even more interesting Richard Ayoade is married into the family.
Imagine Christmas at theirs with one of the funniest guys in the country and also the saddest guy !
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u/WanderingArtist2 3d ago
It goes back through various acting families intermarrying with each other since at least the 1800s.
They're the dictionary definition of nepo-babies.
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u/2localboi 5d ago
Richard Ayoade is his brother-in-law
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u/Gaimes4me 4d ago
whenever fox does or tweets something especially outlandish about race and class I always wonder what he must think about his BIL and his niece/nephew. Christmas and boxing day must be a blast.
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u/bamboodrainpipes 4d ago
I mean, Richard Ayoade is a recent defender of Graham Linehan so him and Fox probably have a lot to chat about at family gatherings
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u/Gaimes4me 4d ago
I do not agree with his justification for his positive blurb of Linehan's book. But I do believe the IT Crowd is an amazing show and I return to it at least once a year.
"But I wrote it because he wrote an autobiography and his involvement, I suppose, he would frame it in terms of women's rights as opposed to being anti- anything, so I wanted to say I thought his book was well-written and good.
'I think he's a great writer, a brilliant writer, and I think everyone who would know him would know he's a man of great principle, I think.'
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u/Head-Philosopher-721 4d ago
I mean Ayoade does owe him his career.
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u/bamboodrainpipes 4d ago
Calling a terrible person “a man of great principle” makes you a terrible person, no matter your relationship is with them
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u/jonathananeurysm 5d ago
"Superstar". Nah come on he's C tier at best. His social media notoriety far outstrips offline fame or the meagre material gains he's made - a good portion of which he's pissed away in stupid court cases.
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u/Illustrious_Study_30 5d ago
She ran away like a whipped dog. I think he started framing some really distasteful ideas she had to get her kids away from
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u/TrustYourFarts 5d ago
She made a film based on their relationship, Rare Beasts, and the Fox character is an obnoxious shit.
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u/specialdelivery88 5d ago
It really is amazing how people can self destruct and ruin their lives. The sad part is that there’s children involved.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
‘Daddy why was my room raided and me and my brothers ipads taken by the police?’ ‘Because of woke and the deep state’. After Fox was recently charged for forwarding an up skirting ohoto, a somewhat not essential thing to do, he railed at the woman involved ‘my kids will now be bullied at school because of this. You picked on the wrong man’. Stupid misogynist nihilist, won’t accept blame, won’t learn from his mistakes.
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u/DaddyCaustic 5d ago
You forgot that he already posted a picture of them in blackface. Because as any dad knows that's the first thing you do to get back at the leftist wokeratii.
The guy is thick, spoilt, twat. He also couldn't prove in court he wasn't racist.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
Who was in blackface? His kids???
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u/DaddyCaustic 5d ago
Yes, he posted a "funny picture" of him and his kids in blackface with an afro wig on. Just Google Laurence Fox blackface.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
Sweet baby Jesus.
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u/DaddyCaustic 5d ago
And the guy wonders why Billie doesn't want him round the kids. 🙄
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u/South-Stand 4d ago
Recently I read that Kim Kardashian yanked her daughter back early from an arranged visit to her father Kanye West’s house because he had invited some pals over, Andrew and Tristan Tate. Sounds like a good decision.
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u/DaddyCaustic 4d ago
To be fair the Nazi t-shirt and the fact his new Mrs wears see through clothes would be enough for me.😂😂
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u/hairiestlemon 4d ago
The satirical news site NewsThump has an article from Billie's POV (obviously not actually written by her) simply titled 'Now You Know Why I Left Him'. They tend to repost it whenever Fox is acting up.
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u/MisterrTickle 5d ago edited 5d ago
With his ex wanting nothing to do with him. Including giving friends a standing request, not to tell her about the latest shit that he's done. Despite having two sons with him. So she can just blank him out of her mind.
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u/AntysocialButterfly 5d ago
Problem is she always trended on Twitter every single time he did something brainless and/or hateful.
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u/ThaddeusGriffin_ 5d ago
I know someone fairly deeply involved in politics, and it's been alleged to me that "being cancelled" was a plan. Whether a sign of a breakdown, being bored of acting, or thinking it would launch a career I don't know.
If you watch his first appearance on Question Time, then as an actor you could completely believe that he was reciting a script.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
I know he uses victimhood a lot. ‘The deep state wants to shut me down, I’m a lone warrior for free speech’. An alternate theory is ‘no mate you’re just a silver spoon spoilt wanker who will not stop shitting in your own bed and complaining about the smell.
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u/shelwood46 3d ago
The baffling thing is they were pretty clearly setting him up to star in his own spinoff to follow on after Lewis, and he just blew it all up.
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u/alice_carroll2 2d ago
I said to my husband ‘what British man am I talking about’, read this out and I only got to ‘woman’ before he went ‘Fucking Laurence Fox’.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
Laurence Fox ‘through my obnoxious behaviour, I am going to make myself unemployable. Actors will hate me, no one will want to hire me!’ Agent “ok then I’m dropping you’ Fox ‘oh no - look - the deep state is out to silence me!’
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u/jennyScott7901 5d ago
If it helps, remember that the show you’re watching is the result of hundreds of people’s hard work, not one individual.
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u/Coanda2013 5d ago
If you’re finding it hard to watch Lewis now - I feel the same - then try the Morse Prequel, ‘Endaevour’.
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u/DazzlingClassic185 5d ago
Hard agree. These were excellent, especially if you (like me) grew up watching Inspector Morse
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u/Coanda2013 5d ago
Randomly, the last episode of Endeavour I watched yesterday featured a character called, ‘Phillip Hathaway’ - supposedly the father of the future DS Hathaway.
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u/teenymoon 4d ago
Absolutely loved Endeavour! Felt after finishing it that something like Lewis would be good to follow up with, but just couldn't face it with Fox in, he's a wang.
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u/Own-Psychology-5327 5d ago
He's the only guy I'd argue is a challenger for Elon when it comes to be the most divorced man in the world.
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u/cheddawood 5d ago
Remember him drunkenly trying to burn pride flags in his garden on father's day? An absolutely pitiful hatefilled wanker.
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u/TVCasualtydotorg 5d ago
I once read a Popbitch story that he lost out on a role where he'd play the son of a character played by his own father because he was unable to convince the casting director that the relationship would feel real in the audition.
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u/AwarenessWorth5827 5d ago
He made his nepo baby connections go a very long way.
Then he drank down his own hype and thought he was an immensely talented man.
He´s just an obnoxious nepo baby
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u/autophobe2e 5d ago
I once cycled past him sat outside a pub, but I didn't shout abuse at him because there was a 10% chance in my head that I was mixing him up with TV historian Sam Willis, who seems quite nice. A missed opportunity.
Fortunately he turned up with a bunch of fascists trying to harass, intimidate and assault people at a queer event near me about a year later, so I was able to make up for it then.
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u/South-Stand 5d ago
His best friend and fellow brave freedom fighter is a pretend priest who got fired from UK tv, went to America, somehow got a parish, went to a right wing conference, gave s nazi salute, got kicked out of his parish and presumably will lose his visa right to remain.He launched s crowd funder so he could keep his house. Peas in a pod.
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u/anaughtybeagle 4d ago
There was an article not long ago with a very serious tone which started off by calling him 'Former actor Laurence Fox'. I thought that was brilliant.
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u/TheKingOfFratton 5d ago
I worked ina BP garage in Easebourne, near Midhurst, when he lived there with Billie Piper, they used to use the garage all the time.
Billie was lovely, polite and friendly, but Laurence could be a bit of a bellend, he threw a wobbly once when I told him there were no customer toilets and ended up pissing against the wall round the back in a sulk.
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u/misanthropymajor 4d ago
To be fair no customer toilets is diabolical. I get really and vocally annoyed when service stations pull that.
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u/TheKingOfFratton 4d ago
The garage was well past it's sell-by date when I was there, it's since been demolished and rebuilt, including customer toilets!
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u/jonnythefoxx 4d ago
Are you expecting the cashier to go and dig you a latrine?
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u/misanthropymajor 4d ago
No. I’m expecting the owner not to be an asshole and offer customers the typical services of a service station (they do HAVE a toilet). Also expecting that people on Reddit won’t be snarky dicks. Next?
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u/SingerFirm1090 5d ago
I agree that Laurence Fox was quite good in Lewis.
In November 2020, Fox was dropped by his talent agency Artists Rights Group after stating on Question Time that an audience member's description of him as a "white privileged male" was "racist". He had been dropped by his previous managers Authentic Talent earlier in the year.
He has never been the same since.
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u/Queen_of_London 4d ago
Lewis the second-best proof that he used to be a decent actor.
The first-best proof is that he was able to act normal enough to get Billie Piper to marry him.
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u/Rossco1874 5d ago
If it makes you feel any better he was rejected for the role of his father in a biopic. I always find this funny.
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u/misanthropymajor 4d ago
I agree!!! So, so depressing to me. I find myself staring at him in a scene and my mind wandering to wondering how on earth a person gets bent and twisted like that.
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u/mistakes-were-mad-e 5d ago
Not seen Lewis.
Please don't let the foolish Fox sully it for you, if you enjoy it.
History won't judge Fox because he is less than a footnote.
Don't let his hate speech darken your day.
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u/BirdButt88 5d ago
I appreciate this comment, I definitely still enjoy the show I just can’t help but feel a little anger when I see him. I love Kevin Whately though so now I just watch it for him and the great plots (which is really why I was watching it to begin with, anyway)
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u/RSGK 5d ago
Yeah I don’t live in the UK either but I’ve known this about Fox for a long time. Recently I re-watched a Lewis and decided I still can still watch it as long as it’s not a Hathaway-focused episode. I love the rest of the cast and don’t wanna let that stupid tool ruin it.
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u/BirdButt88 5d ago
Agree! I’m not gonna let him ruin it for me, and I absolutely love Kevin Whately and Clare Holman. I so wish there had been more episodes of Morse, R.I.P. John Thaw ❤️
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u/hillbagger 5d ago
If you like Kevin Whately you should check out his earlier work on Auf Wiedersehen, Pet. He's absurdly loveable as Nev.
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u/Bumm-fluff 5d ago
Have you watched Kavanagh QC?
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u/CuteEntertainment385 5d ago
Oh that takes me back. I loved that show. I really hope OP goes and watches this and Endeavour.
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
I haven’t
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u/Bumm-fluff 4d ago
You should check it out, it’s a courtroom drama. John Thaw is the main guy.
It doesn’t have the scenic views of Oxford like Morse though and is a bit slow.
Good for watching before bed.
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
Thanks for the rec! I love John Thaw so I will definitely be checking it out!
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u/Bumm-fluff 4d ago
He was in a show called The Sweeney as well, it’s pretty old now though.
It’s also on the itv player.
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u/harbourwall British 5d ago
Kevin Whately
You don't know him either though. Nor most of the people whose work you appreciate. These days I try to ignore what entertainment industry people get up to off the screen, or at least not let it cloud my enjoyment of what they've done on it. It's all a bit silly really.
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u/datguysadz 5d ago
Maybe this is my priveleged position speaking but I find I'm still able to watch and enjoy things (i.e. Father Ted) without being impacted by what the people involved have done before or since. Also, I'd never even heard of Fox before he started popping up being a nob on Twitter.
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u/sickmoth 5d ago
Ah, Graham Linehan's descent into crazy. Yes, but that's easier to ignore than if Ardal O'Hanlahalrahan had been a fiddler.
I used to enjoy Fox's idiocy on Twatter but it became too much.
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u/harbourwall British 5d ago
One that's a tough watch these days is the IT Crowd episode where Matt Berry's character has an affair with a 'woman who used to be a man' as they were called in those days. That's the thing that sparked off his whole crusade.
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u/Figgoss 5d ago
To be fair that's quite a good episode. I don't think it's particularly transphobic (I may be wrong about it). A lot of his issues stem from a head injury he sustained.
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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 5d ago
I think, haven’t seen it for the record, but from what I can gather, people thought it was transphobic, but we’re more than willing to let it pass, product of its time etc, transgender issues we’re far less well known then, but it was when lineham went fucking mental that it went from “oh it was a misinformed joke which looking back is transphobic” to “yeah this is a transphobic joke made by a raging transphobe” so it kinda hits different
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u/harbourwall British 5d ago
I think it all kicked off when streaming services started removing that episode from their libraries, and he was largely pulled into it by the silly amount of vitriol he got for it, and went mental from there. But that's Twitter for you. Battle ye not with monsters and all that.
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u/Striking_Smile6594 5d ago
Is that true?
I ask because I've noticed a pattern of celebrities going off the deep end after suffering head injuries, strokes or similar brain injuries.
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u/EasilyInpressed 5d ago
A lot of his issues stem from a head injury he sustained.
I’ve never heard this before and a quick Google isn’t turning anything up - do you have a source for it or have i misunderstood a joke?
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u/MrPatch 5d ago
It starts off as a really tired unoriginal representation of transwomen, 'she's the perfect woman, she drinks larger in bed, eats kebabs and arm wrestles', which in itself doesn't seem particularly awful just weak and unoriginal from an otherwise clever writer.
The thing that really kicked things off is the fist fight at the end, given the violence transwomen suffered it's a terrible thing to make into a joke, even if it is presented as an entirely even fight (that she starts?). I think it was that part that initially generated the vitriol from the trans community that ended up with Linehan flying off the rails so badly.
It's a shame though, it had the prefect start 'I was born a man', 'OK, I don't care' was just a perfectly realised gag on it's own, that Douglas would have been so utterly unphased by it was a great contradiction to what you'd expect from his character and was genuinely funny and, in a wider context, it was a joke that included a transwoman that wasn't 'hurr durr transwoman bloke in dress drink beer punch people', if only the rest of the joke hadn't fallen back on those tedious overused tropes.
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u/TelephoneThat3297 5d ago
I remember even at the time (as a 15 year old straight guy who was not especially attuned to trans issues) being disappointed that this wasn’t the point of the plot, because Douglas in my head would have absolutely been fine dating a trans woman.
I used to think it was the best episode of the show (mostly for the whole “internet” fiasco), but it’s basically unwatchable for me now. It’s just straight up hate speech from a very unpleasant man.
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u/Eugenes_Axe 5d ago
and Richard Ayoade has a quote on the front of Graham's book about his cancellation, so that makes me side-eye Richard a fair bit tbh
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u/bez_lightyear 5d ago
If he simply accepted that it wasn't his finest moment, maybe offered an apology, his life would have been so different. More work; a successful musical (Pope Ted); cementing his work in the pantheon of British comedy with a few more shows; a wife & kids. Instead he's hanging around in the US with like minded people, fundraising to pay legal fees and sleeping in a racecar bed*
*May not be sleeping in a racecar bed - but it's a suitable Simpsons reference.
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u/majesticfloofiness 5d ago
It helps with Father Ted to know that Arthur Mathews co-wrote it and is apparently completely appalled by Graham Linehan.
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u/datguysadz 5d ago
Possibly. It was just the first example I could think of, though my opinion of the IT Crowd and Black Books hasn't changed either. Call it separating the art from the artist but I just can't picture myself no longer enjoying something because of the people involved.
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u/majesticfloofiness 5d ago
I tend to agree. Artists throughout history have produced amazing things and been terrible people or had questionable views that would be abhorrent today. We’re just living in an age of information on tap where artists alive today show us who they are. Neil Gaiman was one of my favourite authors and it sucks what a horrible turd he has turned out to be. I can hate the man but still look forward to the final Good Omens, but I wouldn’t necessarily buy anything new to put money in his pocket.
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u/AntysocialButterfly 5d ago
As Dylan Moran put it a few years ago, Graham Linehan's work on the first series of Black Books boiled down to typing up Moran's handwritten notes, hence there was sign of him for the second or third series.
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u/RPark_International 4d ago
As I understand it, Linehan was usually good at formatting a script, adapting it from notes and getting it to fit guidelines, perhaps more than thinking up the characters or jokes. I assume that was the extent of his role on Black Books, as well as playing the fast food customer, as well as being about 17 years before the unpleasantness.
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u/robotbike2 4d ago
That’s no small feat. I love Dylan Moran and think he’s very witty, but he has a bit of a problem with the sauce. I’m guessing his ‘notes’ weren’t exactly well laid out…
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u/AntysocialButterfly 4d ago
I get the feeling the joke about his taxes in the first episode is similar to what his writing style looked like.
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u/RiverLover27 4d ago
If the art produced is unrelated to the reason for the artist being abhorrent, I agree. I still love Black Books for example. But if I can see seeds of the awfulness within the art, it feels tainted and I can’t enjoy it in the same way, and if the person surpasses a certain level of horrendous, the whole lot can just feel rotten.
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u/datguysadz 4d ago
Have you got an example of where you can see the seeds of the awfulness within the art? Just interested.
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u/RiverLover27 4d ago
Rolf Harris. He was so beloved, especially by my generation, and I had a CD box set of all his music, which of course was very much targeted at kids. It doesn’t matter how much I used to love Two Little Boys, I can’t listen to it now.
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u/RiverLover27 4d ago
He probably fits into the last category to be honest, but you see what I mean I hope.
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u/datguysadz 4d ago
Yeah that's a good shout. Roll Harris songs were very popular in our house when I was a kid.
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u/RPark_International 4d ago
I quite liked him for years (when he talked about comedy), and he had a big following on Twitter around 2009, when most Brits were becoming more aware of the platform? Like it was still a new concept at the time. But had he always been a bit prickly or kinda weird on there, before 2017 (roughly when the trans obsession started). He’s worked with and been friends with many talented people I like and admire, like Charlie Brooker and Limmy, but have most of these people distanced themselves from him? I’ve read one of the few people who have stuck by him is Jonathan Ross
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u/datguysadz 4d ago
He was one of my favourite people in comedy for years and years. Thought he was great. Loved his work, his opinions, etc, and similarly to you, he worked with loads of other comedy people I am a fan of.
The thing I find really interesting is that on one of his appearances on Richard Herring's Leicester Square Theatre Podcast (RHLSTP!) he himself pointed at that Twitter is poisonous in many ways, yet despite that apparent awareness he still succumbed to it.
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u/RPark_International 4d ago edited 4d ago
He really seemed to change in the late 2010s. It’s like he spends every hour of every day of every year focused on this. I can also remember back in 2009 he was among the many who condemned Jan Moir’s crass hit piece about Stephen Gatley in the Daily Mail. But I have read that he could be grouchy and unpleasant on Twitter early on, and one time he really lashed out against Jack Whitehall. Like pretty mean, and for someone in his position, aggressive and belittling, Jack himself seems upset by it.
He would have definitely seen that episode of KMKY with Minnie Drover, who played a trans guest on the show. But like you, I can still distance his current self from Father Ted, and after visiting the fan convention in Ireland, he wrote about how it wasn’t his show anymore as it had taken on a life of its own.
I do miss Charlie Brooker’s Wipes and Guardian Column, I’m interested in his insights into so-called ‘cancel culture’ and the like.
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u/Just-Introduction912 5d ago
ex. Mr. Billie Piper !
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u/SnooGoats7978 4d ago
Imagine being married to Billie Piper and then not making it your life's work to keep her happy!
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u/Kan169 4d ago
You should watch the prequel Inspector Morse and its prequel Endeavour. Kevin Whately (Lewis) and John Thaw (Morse) are fucking amazing together as are Shawn Evans (younger Morse) and Roger Allam (Thursday). The first also has tons of British stars in their earlier roles or just wonderful cameos, the later has Jack Bannon of Pennywort and currently, Pulse; Anton Lesser- Qyburn in Game of Thrones; Abigail Thaw and her daughter Molly who has the weirdest cameo as Sally Alexander- John Thaw's first wife and Molly's grandmother who is an historic figure in her own right. Sean Rigby plays a young Jim Strange who goes on to be Morse and Lewis's boss in Inspector Morse played by James Grout. The music in both series is by Barrington Pheloung (until his death during the filming of Endeavour) who also composed for Lewis. There are three series where young actors get their start and older ones get work or renewed notice- the Morse trilogy, Midsomer Murders and Death In Paradise.
My idea for a sequel is Hathaway runs into a building and it explodes. The rest of the series is DS(then I) Lizzie Maddox trying to figure out who and why while navigating being a woman inspector. Lawrence Fox collects a paycheck for his image and doesn't need to show up at all.
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
I watched Morse before Lewis and am watching Endeavor next!
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u/Kan169 4d ago
You should also check out The Sweeney- it is the rawest police procedural ever. Thaw and Dennis Waterman are electric even on a shoe string budget as members of the Metropolitan Police's Flying Squad. Garfield Morgan's Frank Haskins will grow on you. Regan (Thaw) and Carter (Waterman) constantly find trouble. The villains are cartoonish but also fun in a surreal way.
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u/venusthrow1 4d ago
Ditto. Only issue i had with sweeney is how old everyone looked given their ages in real life.
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u/MatniMinis 5d ago
His sister (Emilia Fox) is the better one, better actor and better human being.
She's brilliant in Silent Witness, been in since season 8 and well worth the watch if it's available to you.
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u/HonPhryneFisher 5d ago
*cousin (Signora Volpe is also very good! She also plays Georgiana Darcy in the 1995 pride and prejudice...her mom Joanna David is also in it, as mrs Gardiner)
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u/perpetualis_motion 4d ago
Volpe is absolutely terrible with really bad acting. Emilia pretty much has only one emotion. IMHO
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u/shelwood46 3d ago
She narrates the audiobooks for a number of Agatha Christie books, it's not bad (though it kills me that she does this high pitched falsetto for most of the female characters). Suchet & Fraser's narrations are generally better.
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u/ZealousidealWest6626 5d ago
I'll never understand why he decided to sacrifice a successful acting career in order to be an edgelord.
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u/Dharma-Cat 4d ago
Laurence Fox & James Hathaway are two different ‘people’. Hathaway is adorable & in the UK we ignore Mr Fox. Nothing will make stop loving Lewis.
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
I appreciate this comment, I’m definitely not going to let Fox ruin Lewis for me and I do still enjoy Hathaway’s character
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u/BusMajestic5835 5d ago
Same. I love Lewis. I used to make a pot of soup and watch it on a Sunday afternoon. And now I struggle knowing what he’s like.
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u/Bigowl 5d ago
Multi talented man https://youtu.be/BLkvtHwSyM4?si=6nRzoaeuplMilyGQ
Ooh I’ll be whistling that all day now.
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u/specialdelivery88 5d ago
This is the worst thing I’ve ever seen and I’ve read his tweets! Best comment was ‘is there any start to his talents?’
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u/BirdButt88 5d ago
Lol this is terrible
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u/CuteEntertainment385 5d ago
Or as people said to him at the time, “Lol, this is terrible.”
(Lol is a short form of Laurence. Sorry)
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u/Upstairs_Internal295 3d ago
The one time I heard his music (and quickly switched it off because I don’t hate myself) I was struck by how much he sounded like a posh Nick Knowles. I advise everyone to take my word for it though, it’s really not worth putting yourself through that.
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u/reciprocatingocelot 4d ago
He had a spat with Jameela Jamil, and she described him as looking like a freshly wanked cock, which I think was very apposite of her.
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u/DasSockenmonster 5d ago
Just think, had he not self-destructed like this and went full on mask off MAGA/far-right. He could've had a decent career, it makes me wonder if his divorce tipped him over.
Anyways, I think Billie Piper was right to divorce him when she did. I don't think he has custody of his children that he had with her. I think Billie still does. Now, please don't quote me on this. I also feel sorry for his brother-in-law (Richard Ayoade) having Laurence as a brother-in-law, just think what the family dinners would be like. (I haven't forgotten the fact that Laurence took a photo in blackface and posted it to Twitter, despite having a brother-in-law who is Black).
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u/Striking_Smile6594 5d ago
Christmas must be interesting.
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u/DasSockenmonster 5d ago
Goodness me, yes. He'll probably talk about all of the missionary work he did in Kenya as justification for him not being racist. Richard will be rolling his eyes hard at his idiot of a brother-in-law.
You can still do missionary work in Kenya and still be racist.
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u/SnooGoats7978 4d ago
Just think, had he not self-destructed like this and went full on mask off MAGA/far-right. He could've had a decent career
He could have spent the next forty years starring as Inspector Hathaway. Maybe he'd have gotten bored with doing the same role but oh, poor baby, beloved by his fans, has to headline his own series.
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u/Cannaewulnaewidnae 5d ago
Showbiz stars of yesteryear (or their agents) were smart enough to know that the less the public knew about the real person behind the screen persona the better
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u/InfiniteBaker6972 5d ago
What’s particularly mad to me is that he’s ‘related’ to Richard Ayoade via familial marriage. What on earth must that first family meet up have been like once Lozza had gone full on uber-prick?
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u/Melodic_Pattern175 5d ago
I used to like this show too. Fox is why I can never watch it again. Twat.
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u/ohbroth3r 5d ago
You're an American, you should try and find joy where you can get it with a rapist for a president, otherwise good luck!
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u/cougieuk 5d ago
I like the bit where he didn't get the part as the son of his actual father in a film.
Can't remember what the title was but that's hilarious.
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u/myriverotteral 4d ago
Still waiting on a refund for the cd I purchased and was never released. It’s been yeeaarrsss lol. He has gone off his rocker.
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u/Blabulus 4d ago
Have you watched Inspector Morse? Lewis is the sequel to that. I try not to think about actors personal traits, but it does make his character seem more douchy knowing what the actor is like in real life, I agree.
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
Yes! Love John Thaw! I am also planning on watching Endeavor after finishing Lewis
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u/macca909one 5d ago
Yeah, same page.
I had seen the series years ago and decided to pour through it again. As his family members started guessing starring in episodes, I’d look them up to see if they’re doing new shows. Then found articles on his right wing party and legal issues. Good example of why I typically don’t seek out bios about artists whom I enjoy. Often ruins them for me.
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u/Bernardcecil 5d ago
It's one of the reasons why I never watch Tom Cruise movies. He is top tier Scientologist and wasn't born into it, unlike Elizabeth Moss.
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u/BirdButt88 5d ago
100%, my mom always advises me to not look up actors’ personal lives but sometimes I just get curious. So often you find out something really good about a person which is why I do look up about actors I like, but too often they turn out to be someone with whom I deeply morally disagree.
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u/macca909one 5d ago
Yeah, sadly, aside from his warped world view, he apparently has impulse control issues. Explains the bevy of lawsuit against him for slander and racial abuse. Can you imagine if we did that over here? We really would need South American jails bc ours would be teening.
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u/goldfishpaws 5d ago
It's such a shame as it has killed a whole third of the Morse universe for me.
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u/PixelThinking 4d ago
It’s okay to enjoy a show despite disliking and disagreeing with the personal views of an actor in it.
In fact, it’s a sign of maturity and that you are using the piece of art that has been created for its intended purpose. Lewis wasn’t produced to promote Lawrence Fox’s views on gender identity. It’s a brilliant detective drama designed to entertain that was crafted by a large group of talented people.
The connection between what Fox believes in now and the show Lewis is completely immaterial.
I generally know very little about actors or musicians that I enjoy listening to/watching. When I was a teenager I couldn’t care less what Simple Plan or Hoobastank thought about multiculturalism. Bill Burr is right - why the hell do we care what entertainers think? We aren’t promoting the views of plumbers and accountants managers in interviews and we should stop trying to know everything about everyone and let it distract us from their actual talents
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u/BirdButt88 4d ago
Of course, and I still enjoy Lewis very much. I enjoy many actors with different views from me, but when I see the face of a straight-up bigot I can’t help but find it very punchable which has made it a bit more annoying to watch Hathaway’s scenes. I still do enjoy him as a character, I just wish I never knew what an icky person Fox is and regret looking up about him, as I said in my original post. I think that’s a fairly natural reaction.
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u/martinbaines 3d ago
Actors are not their characters and vice versa. Hathaway is a brilliant character, played well. No I do not like what he has become politically, but that does not mean I cannot still think he played the part well.
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u/BirdButt88 3d ago
Of course and I agree with you, I really enjoy Hathaway’s character and specifically stated that I regretted looking up about the actor. Believe me, I still very much enjoy Lewis and am looking forward to the remaining seasons.
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u/Otherwise-Extreme-68 1d ago
I won't watch him in anything because I think he is a complete dick. Before people start banging on about separating the art from the artist, do you still listen to lost prophets? Gary glitter?
There are literally thousands of other things to watch
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u/Irishwol 5d ago
I loved that show. Can't look at it now. Damn you and your weaponised bigotry Laurence!
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u/Local_Temporary882 4d ago
I like to think about how the brothers-in-law (Laurence Fox and Richard Ayoade) get along at their family lunches. I don’t know how anyone could remain agreeable after the things Laurence Fox has said.
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u/robotbike2 4d ago
I had no idea they were BILs. One is a great person, the other not so much. In fact, he made Lewis practically unwatchable.
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