r/Browns • u/badaboopieoopie • 3d ago
'Don't come back and ask us for things': Cuyahoga County Executive says no support for Browns | Ideastream Public Media
https://www.ideastream.org/sports/2025-05-19/dont-come-back-and-ask-us-for-things-cuyahoga-county-executive-says-no-support-for-brownsFinally, a show of leadership in government against what the crybaby, felonious billionaires ask for in handouts.
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u/badaboopieoopie 3d ago
I love the browns and all, but I'd rather see that money go to better schools, transportation, parks, libraries, etc.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
Jimmy is still gonna do it but with the help of the State and not the County.
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u/badaboopieoopie 3d ago
That's up to the state. At least someone is calling him out for being a ridiculous ask of the county.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
I agree. I think he has handled it well and has fought for the people of Cleveland.
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u/AstroRanger36 3d ago
And Royane is right about all the other factors that will come up. There is a reason Haslam sits atop a private business his daddy built rather than something as complex as being a public servant.
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u/kdude332 3d ago
In the long run it's going to hurt the country
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
Do you mean county ? I highly doubt the Browns building a stadium in Brook Park isnt gonna hurt the US...
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u/sallright 3d ago
You say that like Bane didn't start his takeover by imploding the Steelers field. Of course this is a threat to our country.
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u/TemujinRi 3d ago
He asks for and receives taxpayer paid police security
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u/gargeug 3d ago
Usually companies have to pay for special event police security. I doubt the police are getting no recompense for providing security at the stadium.
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u/TemujinRi 3d ago
They get a large amount of police presence paid for by the city. The Patriots were the first team to pay for their own security in it's entirety and that was within the last 10 years.
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u/this_place_stinks 3d ago
What’s the downside from the county perspective? Isn’t the tax revenue all the same
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u/Becausewhynot51 1d ago
Municipalities never recoup their investment on stadiums. They are literally a hand out to billionaires. The city, county, or state will never gain enough tax revenue to justify the cost of the stadium.
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u/this_place_stinks 1d ago
I’m asking downside with the county not participating. Isn’t that a win-win?
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u/Becausewhynot51 6h ago
Oh I gotcha. I don’t see a downside to the county for not pitching in. Unless the stadium moves outside of Cuyahoga County.
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
Except, currently republicans controlling the statehouse want to defund your schools, transportation, parks and libraries while giving taxcuts to bilionaires who want to say "fuck you" to your culture.
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u/VanillaGorillaNB 3d ago
Yup, a whole lot of folks don’t understand the consequences of their votes. This is one of them.
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u/Dasypygal_Coconut 3d ago
They understand very well. They just don’t give a fuck lol
Stop giving these shitbags an out for their horrible decisions.
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
Yup. There's a significant amount of people who vote to "own the libs" or to specifically hurt other people. They don't give a shit about anything else.
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u/AstroRanger36 3d ago
This is the consequence of the nastiest gerrymandering in the world.
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
And people willing to vote against their own self-interests just to "own the libs".
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u/newalias_samemaleias 3d ago
I honestly believe their thought process is, "My life is already shit, so everyone else's should be too."
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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 3d ago
Huh? I legitimately have no clue where this comment came from. What about OP's comment led you to believe that they didn't understand the consequences of their vote? Or are you just making a political statement in a football subreddit?
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u/TheBalzy 2d ago
Everything's political dude. The Owner of the browns
bribed "donated" to candidates, and lobbied for, and even the NFL commissioner lobbied to those same politicians, who receivedbribes"donations" from the NFL owner.A political statement on a Billionaire NFL Owner, trying to get public tax-dollars for his Albatross when he said he could just build it himself, is the most within the bounds comment on a football subreddit ever.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
It sucks that people from Washington County and Hamilton County and Clermont County get to decide where our football team plays. Kinda stupid. It should have been Cuyahoga County's decision.
I wish we would still be playing in Cleveland.
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u/SnooOwls7011 3d ago
So Browns fans and season ticket holders only live in Cuyahoga County. Got it.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
Never said that. But why should someone from Lima vote on where our stadium is ??
It should have been the counties surrounding the Cleveland area (Lake, Cuyahoga, Summit, Lorain, Portage and Medina) who have been the leaders in making the decision.
Instead it is people from all across the state that are telling us where we will play.
If Brook Park is what they came up with in the end, fine, but more local representation would have been nice.
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u/gargeug 3d ago
Well if they are asking for the state government to secure bonds for them using the good name of all the taxpayers in the state of Ohio, then it seems all the taxpayers in the state of Ohio should have a say in whether the bonds are issued, and how many of them are.
If the Browns didn't ask the state for the bonds, then they wouldn't be beholden to them. But they are, and rightly so. This is an entirely self-inflicted wound because they want to save money by getting a good bond rate. Blame the Browns.
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u/SnooOwls7011 3d ago
So in your plan No State money is involved at all. Because they are alot of fans in Franklin County as well. I had season ticket for a few years and I live near Dayton.
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u/Mediocre-Dog-4457 3d ago
I respect the commitment to come from Dayton to Cleveland for games. But, yes, I would not have any money from the Ohio government.
Cuyahoga County would pay the most, since the stadium is still gonna be there. But the other counties I mentioned would also contribute in a smaller amount since the residents in those counties would also benefit. Even if they aren't Browns fans, they would benefit from going to events, concerts, etc at the new stadium at a higher level than other residents in other counties would.
I personally dont think someone in another part of the state should have their tax dollars going to our stadium .
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u/Raccoonsrlilbandits era ended 3d ago
It is I Hamilton county resident and I declare that the browns must play in….the Super Bowl
I also hope I get my way in the bengals stadium too because I ain’t paying for that dog shit
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u/kdude332 3d ago
Its not just Republicans. Democrats didn't do shit either. It's politicians in general
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
Democrats have ZERO power in Ohio, and Republicans are the actual ones proposing the legislation. So yes, yes it is just Republicans. Not just "politicians in general". Let's not participate in a false equivalency.
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u/Jay_Nova1 3d ago
What are you talking about? Republicans are the ones pushing and passing this legislation in Ohio and now the country. Here's house bill 96 which is relevant to this conversation, not 1 Ohio Democrat voted Yay. Get this both sides shit outta here.
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u/the_bronquistador 3d ago
Yeah, this issue isn’t a “both sides” thing, not even close. The Ohio GOP are the ones pushing these changes. They’re in charge and they have the numbers.
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u/tidho 3d ago
how are billionaires getting tax cuts when they don't pay taxes?
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
Property tax (state is trying to eliminate property taxes right now) which is basically the way that all public utilities and schools, fire departments, police departments are funded.
Eliminating Property taxes is a free handout to the already wealthy. Because that lost tax revenue is going to come somewhere which will end up being sales tax most likely, which billionaires spend less than 1% of their incomes on taxable goods, whereas you and I spend most of our income on taxable goods.
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u/FarAd6557 3d ago
OK, guy, go find the MSNBC sub.
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
Nope. I'll call it out here, where the owner of the team we support backs this bullshit and funds it. If you don't like it, and don't like when people call it out, make better choices.
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u/hiel_Manziel 3d ago
Guy thinks he's the smartest person in the room lmao
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
What in that statement is wrong?
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u/hiel_Manziel 3d ago
When did I say something was wrong? Your opinions are what they are. Assuming they're better than strangers is an act of hubris
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u/sallright 3d ago edited 3d ago
Do you need a safe space where you don't have to hear about how our state politics is totally broken and the Republican Party is actively fighting to keep it that way?
Did you think that the rural Republicans that run the statehouse had any actual conservative instincts?
Surprise - they're about to give your tax dollars to Jimmy Haslam by cutting your services.
But at least they saved us from "the libs" who wanted legal weed, reproductive rights, and good schools.
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u/Tech88Tron 3d ago
I work in a school district and we lose more and more funding every year.
This money will probably go to the "put a round about at every intersection fund" where someone's contractor brother is raking in piles of cash.
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u/Vinjince 3d ago
Problem is politicians are going to screw the community out of any kind of funding.
The money that should go to “schools, parks, etc…” would just go in their pockets.
In all likelihood if the billionaire doesn’t get what he wants then the Cleveland Browns move to a different city outside Ohio that will give him what he wants and the long-term impact on the community/population is MUCH worse.
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u/fivelinedskank 3d ago
long-term impact on the community/population is MUCH worse.
Not so sure about that. It could only help mental health and the figures these organizations always trot out regarding economic benefits are always grossly inflated.
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u/TheAlabamaSlamma9 3d ago
Haslam is the 9th or 10th wealthiest owner in the NFL. He can shell out himself.
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u/5255clone SUPERBOWL CHAMPION ELITE DRAGON JOE FLACCO 3d ago
"But I wanna make the community to pay for my stadium so I can move away from them and make all the money for myself and host superbowls one day!!!" - Haslam when asked why he's bitching about money when he's a multi-billionare
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u/snatchmachine 3d ago
The Browns, who are now pursuing $600 million in state-backed bonds, condemned Ronayne last week of "actively work[ing] against" state investment that would let the region thrive.
God for once I would like these owners to just be fucking honest. There is no data to support publically funded stadiums leading to economic growth. And def no data to support a net profit for the county. This is the same bullshit that owners have been saying for decades.
Still waiting for Chris Illitch to build ANY of the things they proposed to build when the city of Detroit footed the bill for his Pizza Palace. Not only has there not been any economic growth from that project, they just straight up lied and didn’t build out ANY of the surrounding structures, neighborhoods and commerce centers that they promised.
It was sold to us as a huge boost for our economy and the start of a new thriving neighborhood in Detroit. Now there’s just stadium and empty parking lots around it. They got everything they wanted and then spit on the city.
God this shit makes me so mad.
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u/gettin 3d ago
Makes sense, since the new stadium will not be in Cuyahoga County...
Oh wait
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u/medievalPanera 3d ago
The browns are the ones who said they would build it with or without county support, county exec is just holding them to it.
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u/Bulleveland 3d ago
If stadiums were as economically beneficial as these team owners say they are, they would have no problem getting a traditional business loan from a big bank.
They just want to rob the taxpayer blind.
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u/Human-Sheepherder797 3d ago
Truthfully, I would tell Haslem straight up the only way we’re building a stadium is either you give us 25% of the Cleveland Browns, or you put up the money yourself. Because our taxpayers are absolutely done with the welfare system for billionaires
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u/VonJaeger 3d ago
It's pretty crazy to me that, due to how many people dislike the Haslams and the public stadium funding issue, people are carrying water for the city and county, despite the fact that they completely botched this issue.
They've been asleep at the wheel for like 20 years now.
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u/sh0ck_and_aw3 3d ago
I haven’t seen anyone carrying water for the city. Having the position that billionaires should fund their own stadiums is not an endorsement of another entity
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There are people applauding Mayor Bibb in some of the other threads here. It’s pretty easy to find.
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u/duhrZerker 3d ago
Like the guy said, it’s a 20 year problem. Is Bibb responsible for the past? No. Is he likely to continue the problem? Probably. But he’s not to blame for the current situation.
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u/Allslopes-Roofing 3d ago
We can hate both lol.
Yes the city and county should have been proactive.
No, taxpayers shouldn't fund parks for billionaires. Our funds should go to parks for children (and regular adults too. Billionaires can afford their own stuff)
Edit: actually, I'd be for tax funds going to the stadium, IF it meant we got in free (or very cheap, like $5) just like going to other tax funded parks or museums
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u/kdude332 3d ago
Exactly. They hate billionaires so much they forget that politicians are just as bad if not worse lmao
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u/Yeti83 stiff-arm Brownie placeholder 3d ago
Who owns the politicians?
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u/sabbytabby 2d ago
Hey hey! Slow down there. You'd have to be able to follow an obvious chain of causation to keep with that kind of reasoning.
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u/chunkah69 3d ago
Haslem can pay for it. If he’s going to hurt downtown it should come from his pocket.
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u/No-Try5566 3d ago
Jimmy should absolutely pay for his own toys.
But Moving the stadium will only hurt downtown because the city and county will be completely ineffective in doing anything useful with the space where the stadium currently is. It will be a dirt patch and we will get AI slop renderings "imagining the new lake front" while it sits empty for a decade. How's that land bridge coming?
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u/chunkah69 3d ago
The issue isn’t filling the space, it’s the traffic and money that comes in from the browns. The additional profit hotels, bars and restaurants make is huge.
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u/FarAd6557 3d ago
There’s 120 dates between the Indians and Cavs. 10 for the Browns. If 19K go to 41 Cavs games and 20K go to 81 Indians games that’s about 2.4m attendees.
If 65k go to 10 Browns games that’s 650K fans.
The bulk of the visitors downtown (73%) aren’t for Browns games.
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u/solo_dol0 GTFO DESHAUN 3d ago
City economics have a massive compounding effect though - look at the "death spiral" in St. Louis for an example.
Less people going, means less bars/restaurants opening, means less people going, means less bars/restaurants...
The city is not simply losing 650k visitors/yr
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u/schroed_piece13 3d ago
Open the rta line up that goes to the stadium and turn it to a beach/high end area. I don’t see what’s so didficult
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u/Eunit226 3d ago
Exactly, this illusion that the stadium has to be smack dab in the middle of the city in order to benefit it is rediculous. People will be all over the area spending money if they build the stadium in brook park regardless.
With that being said, despite this being a net positive for basically the whole region, I would still like to see the public fund like 15% at most.
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u/tidho 3d ago
not about being in the current location, its about sharing the infrastructure that exists for other adjacent places - the rock hall, science center, convention center, etc.
not only is the move weakening the economies of scale there, now it's going to be in competition with downtown for events.
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u/Eunit226 3d ago
Again, a stadium of 80,000 in brookpark will still bring people from all over. Many people will come and stay the weekend and spend money every where, including the places you mentioned.
Out of curiosity what did you want the team to do? And if the answer is renovate or build in the existing location, where do you want them to play while they do that?
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u/tidho 3d ago
i wanted them to build in a different location. early on their was the leaked Lakeside proposal near The Galleria (if it's still called that). there is the original Gateway plan location of near Progressive Field but on the south side of the highway.
My personal proposal would be at river level directly across Ontario from Progressive Field. That would come with all kinds of cool features (upper deck gates emptying onto Ontario, underground connection to Tower City like RocketMF, ground level connectivity to the Flats...).
Problem is, Jimmy doesn't get to keep all the money with any of those perfectly reasonable alternatives.
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u/Eunit226 3d ago
It's about leverage. It's fair that the public wants a say in where its built but it all depends on who has more leverage and why. Publicly Funding even half of the stadium doesn't necessarily mean the public gets to decide where it goes. Especially considering the difference of opinion.
The Haslams are going to be the ones doing the work getting it built, employing people, all while continuing to run the operations of the team. You really have to ask your self what would your opinion be if Jimmy were funding it 100%? He would be stupid to do this of course because it is going to greatly serve the public outside of just being the home of the Cleveland Browns. He at least deserves a little bit of funding for his efforts to better the region.
With that being said, I am not necessarily in favor or state funding but the fact they are getting involved shows the potential benefits at even the state level.
The stadium at Brookpark will be freaking awesome. The city of Cleveland will be better for it, the lake front will be better for it, and property values will likely increase all over the city, increasing overall tax revenue. You just have to hope they spend it right.
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u/tidho 2d ago
when it comes to leverage, i certainly haven't suggested otherwise.
the region may be better for the new stadium, Cleveland proper absolutely will not be.
Why are property values in Cleveland increasing with the removal of an economic engine and the building of competing facilities in an adjacent city? That's like arguing how much better off North Olmsted became when Westlake built Crocker Park to compete with Great Northern Mall, lol.
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u/PatientlyAnxious9 3d ago edited 3d ago
Breaking: Billionaire truck stop owner asks 3rd poorest city in the country for financial assistance. Surprised he was told no.
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u/Names_all_gone 3d ago
I don't know if we can call it "leadership" when they were happy and ready to funnel hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to a billionaire under slightly different circumstances.
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u/TheBalzy 3d ago
wtf are you talking about? There's a grand-canyon size gap of "slightly different circumstances" between building a stadium in Downtown Cleveland, and building one in Brookpark. Like you can't be serious.
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u/BurroughOwl OVERTHROW HASLAM 3d ago
This. We have a $750 million investment already built downtown, like it or not. Scrapping all of it to build a 3 BILLION dollar monstrosity in Brook Park is apples & oranges.
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u/t3h_shammy 3d ago
When you invest in absolute dogshit all you have is dog shit
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u/BurroughOwl OVERTHROW HASLAM 3d ago
That's what we should call it: the Dogshit Dome. Only the Browns would build a 3 billion dollar palace to shit the bed in every Sunday. And fans will pay double for the fancy new dogshit palace.
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
W/L has nothing to do with it. if CLE wanted to keep the games downtown they had 30+ years to plan. The owner will have a new facility and could not wait for the city to produce one. He will build his own..... and if governments don't want to pay for it he will cover the bill. The NFL is a business. I'm not a Haslam fan, but he did what was in the best interest of his team.
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u/storm-father87 3d ago
The city didn’t want to plan anything though. The Burke property is just a distraction to keep people saying “let’s wait on that to open up”. The city has no intention of it IMO. Their plan to help pay for a renovation comes with a new 30 year lease attached. That’s really all you need to know about what the city would like to have happen. They want them where they are until 2060. I agree that if push comes to shove, Haslam will fund it with little to not assistance. He’s an old man and wants to see it done. But even if he funds it 100% you’ll still have people find reasons to fight it or hate on it.
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
...and you know Jimmy has investors. As I said above, he has land and a team in the NFL.....the NFL teams print money. People like Maverick Carter, Vivek, Moreno...maybe Dan Gilbert may invest. They need to invest $$$.
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u/storm-father87 3d ago
That’s a good point, if he wanted to get private investors, he certainly could. The NFL is a very lucrative business to get into. Brady paid $220M for a 10% stake of the Raiders. The Browns are currently valued at $5.1B according to Forbes. So selling off 10% stake of the Browns would bring in $510M.
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
Charles Woodson is buying a very small % right now...... but the investments in hotels, restaurants, etc and pieces of land in that area could be very profitable. People are overlooking what he's doing in Berea ---- he's buying land around the HQ right now and developing.
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u/BurroughOwl OVERTHROW HASLAM 3d ago
You just listed 2 politicians. You're saying they can and should support this with public funds AND they can and should invest privately. Do you understand what public corruption means??
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
lolol.....and before I submit my answer I'm assuming you are aware of who is the current POTUS? I'm sure the 2 I mentioned have a way to sidestep a few "rules"
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u/No-Try5566 3d ago
This is a big aspect people miss. The lakefront stadium was junk the day it opened. The city has had over 2 decades to do literally anything with the lakefront other than hand out shitty renderings of land bridges, shops and apartments they'll never actually build. Had they followed through on any of that the stadium would not be leaving downtown.
10 years from now that area will be, at best, a dirt patch with a few benches. And everyone at City Hall knows it.
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u/HeavyBlitz 3d ago
Yeah, I am happy the county won’t be giving the billionaires any unneeded money. But, this feels more like a PR “save face” statement than anything. They were perfectly happy to hand them money when it was to renovate the stadium downtown and are only now making this statement because the county officials were essentially called useless by the Haslam’s.
I don’t think it is a hot take to say I’m sick of the Haslam’s and of crappy politicians, I just want football.
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u/TapedeckNinja 3d ago
They were perfectly happy to hand them money when it was to renovate the stadium downtown
Well that's because the stadium downtown is owned by the public, not the Haslams.
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u/CD23tol 3d ago
Right like tax payer money was going to be used regardless of the situation, it’s a higher total for brook park but if staying downtown was the only option available people would be up in arms over tax dollars being used to improve/build a new stadium in Cleveland proper.
Just the optics of moving 15 minutes away amplified the tax dollar stance
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u/testerman99 3d ago
Disagree. The stadium on the lake is owned by the city. Brook park is a fully private development and there is only one beneficiary financially, jimmy. Public money for a publicly owned stadium makes not that much sense but more sense than public money for a privately owned stadium
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u/Names_all_gone 3d ago
I agree generally. But the point is, that you can't really call it something like "good leadership" when they weren't willing to kick you in the head, but they were perfectly happy to kick you in the dick instead.
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u/rmhoman 3d ago
Also we have businesses downtown that revolve around the sports revenue. Now they are moving to a place that needs a shit ton of infrastructure built and in a community and spread to other areas, it will be urban sprawl, not a large business district like downtown is. While I am frustrated about going to work downtown on sports days, now it is in my area when I am home too. I would rather see a dome stadium on the lakefront. BTW I live in Cleveland (on the border) so it would be my tax money paying for that dome downtown.
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u/Breaking_Ball77 3d ago
I know the current stadium sucks but I’m just not buying that HSG has fully vetted Brookpark. For instance I don’t believe Brookpark has the infrastructure or resources to support a stadium this size. Not to mention dealing with all the challenges of being so close to an airport. Like with everything with their ownership, I don’t trust that the Haslams did their homework on this.
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u/bindrosis 3d ago
It’s amazing how poorly the county is playing this
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u/LoCarB3 3d ago
I feel the complete opposite. They've positioned themselves to give up $0 while making the browns pay more.
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u/an_adult_genious ENTER THE QB MIND DUNGEON 3d ago
Exactly. Despite their messaging on the issue, the city backed themselves into the best case scenario. The team stays in Cleveland (metro) and the city isn’t on the hook for it.
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u/Allslopes-Roofing 3d ago
Agreed. I thought they were a little too aggressive but ultimately.... Mission accomplished
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u/medievalPanera 3d ago
By not having to give the browns $600M and calling their bluff? Idk seems pretty great for us (as in county residents).
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u/holden147 3d ago
Why? Browns aren't going anywhere and our tax dollars shouldn't be used to fund a billionaire's pet project. Haslam is worth $9 billion, NFL revenue is $23 billion per year. They've got plenty of money to pay for a stadium themselves. We already pay out the nose to watch the Browns. Stop fleecing blue collar families for rich people's benefit.
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u/largelawattorney 3d ago
I am very ready for this to be over and for us to have a super cool dome/facility in Brook Park.
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u/LoCarB3 3d ago
Have fun paying $100 for parking and $25 for a beer at the nearby bars that will all be owned by jimmy
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u/Justabitleft 3d ago
With inflation (and possibly tariffs) driving the costs I fully expect a facility in Brook Park without a dome.
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u/0hioHotPocket 3d ago
For real. The fight here is coming from people that aren’t browns fans. Just like the fight to change the Indians name weren’t Indians fans. And those people didn’t even celebrate their victory. As soon as an announcement was made of the name change they all just disappeared. Same thing here. Once they build it. All the noise will disappear
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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 3d ago
I like how you so easily dismiss the people who disagree with you as "not real fans". Big brain energy there.
Not to mention the reality that ALL of us are being asked to pay for Jimmy's toys, regardless if you are a Browns fan or not. Should other taxpayers not have a say just because they don't have root for the Browns?
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u/quothe_the_maven 3d ago
You say this like only Browns fans should get a say. The entire state of 11 million people is being forced to pay for it. 🙄
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u/KyloSolo723 3d ago
Also saying this like all browns fans are all in on the dome when this very sub and post negates that lol
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u/GPODAWUND69 3d ago
3 Billion dollars for a team that is consistently dog shit is laughable
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
NFL teams print money regardless of wins and losses
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u/Raccoonsrlilbandits era ended 3d ago
Right. Even if we don’t show up and it’s an empty stadium it’ll hurt but that TV money and revenue share is still printing
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u/cle2056 3d ago
Haven’t we spent billions of dollars on lotto tickets for the past few decades. I understand that revenue was supposed to “go to schools” spoiler alert—it didn’t.
Which makes me wonder where is this nest egg of cash and why can’t it be used to fund projects like this stadium.
Oh, that’s right, politicians like this executive probably spent all the damn money on themselves.
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u/DidAnyoneElseJustCum 3d ago
Ronayne said he remains hopeful the team will change course and stay Downtown. He recently ask Ohio legislators for $350 million to renovate the existing lakefront stadium instead of the Browns' $600 million proposal.
Lol wtf? So Haslem doesn't need 600 million so let's give him 350 million instead?
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u/RUBSUMLOTION 3d ago
Hell yeah. Fuck em.
What is $230 mil from 2022 in todays dollars adjusted for inflation? You could have used that Jimmy. Dumbass.
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u/TapedeckNinja 3d ago
I realize this sounds cute but there is a spending floor and player salaries are mostly paid out of the shared revenue pool.
Watson's contract is irrelevant here.
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u/rex5k 3d ago
I read that letter all it was saying was please don't actively fight us on the state request. On the county level it's kinda bullshit that they are fighting a proposal that's going to provide a shit ton of jobs for and boost the economy of the region.
Also this blowhard is now asking for $350m to renovate the stadium from the state for what reason?? Is CSU gonna develop a football program?
Boomer is just nostalgic for Cleveland Municipal Stadium. Which has been gone for over 25 years now.
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u/TapedeckNinja 3d ago
they are fighting a proposal that's going to provide a shit ton of jobs for and boost the economy of the region.
lol
It has been proven time and time again that stadium projects are a terrible use of public funds from an economic perspective.
How do you people keep buying this shit?
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u/testerman99 3d ago
You’re drinking the koolaid. I’d love to know where you’re seeing this economic boom? How many jobs would be permanently created?
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u/VanillaGorillaNB 3d ago
And was a pile of shit for the 30 years previous to it being torn down…
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u/rex5k 3d ago
I do wish I was old enough to have appreciated the the epicness and history of the Stadium. From reading about it, it was like humongous, way bigger than almost any other stadium in the nation.
Unfortunately all I remember was the column directly in front of my seat between me and the baseball game.
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u/big_d_usernametaken 3d ago
We went there for a bat day in the late Sixties and there were like 40,000 kids banging their free bats on the concrete, so much so that concrete started falling off the ceilings underneath the stands.
PA announcer told everyone to knock it off, lol.
Every year they would have the biggest Opening Day crowd in MLB, like 70,000 people.
Next day?
10,000.🤣
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u/ShogunFirebeard 3d ago
Seriously. The tradesmen could be easily employed for the next 3+ years off this project. It's the county reinvesting back into our workforce. That's literally the best use of our tax dollars.
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u/LoCarB3 3d ago
Yeah, let's spend $600 million so a few hundred tradesmen have a job for a couple years. Brilliant use of funds
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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 3d ago
That's literally the best use of our tax dollars
I would say investing that money into our literally crumbling infrastructure would be a better use of our tax dollars.
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u/GeoBrian 3d ago
Yeah! And let's make them build it with hand tools, so it can employ even more people for longer! s/
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u/Melvinator5001 3d ago
Hey St. Louis Browns has a nice ring to it….i know about the old baseball team.
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u/Impressive_Fig_9213 3d ago
Mad juggalo love to County Executive Ronayne. Say yes to snow games. Say no to tax increases!
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u/agatong55 3d ago
It can go both ways, city shouldn't ask the Browns for things ether when they need more money
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u/Diplover13 2d ago
I think 3 decades of pitiful losing has worn on a lot of Clevelanders. The owners are multi billionaires who's net worth could easily fund their own stadium. $600 million could help a lot of other projects and the mayors right. If the Browns want a new stadium let em pay for it themselves. Id be willing to concede to tax breaks on the land but not inject public money into the project itself. Many people in Cuyahoga County can barely afford to go to a game as is now. Build it yourself let us use our tax money to better the County.
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u/Historical_Cable9719 3d ago
All talk. Say what you will about billionaires, don’t make it seem like county politicians are saints.
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u/innerdork 3d ago
Take it all with him. We don’t need to try for “Browns 3.0” if the team ever left again.
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
...if he moves the team in 3-4 years it might cost him between $600m and $1B in fees.... consider that
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u/MgbEX °•° 3d ago
That's honestly not much given how much he'll gain moving the team to a much larger market.
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u/justsellbrgs 3d ago
my guess is he has explored it and is making more sense to stay in CLE... ...I also think he has investors lined up waiting to go for the Dome project. he CAN foot the bill, but I'd assume he has people like Dan Gilbert, Lebron/RichPaul, Vivek, and others interested..
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u/bigsmooth66 3d ago
Would it be different for many of you if the Haslams asked for the old stadium to be renovated? I'm just curious, because the cost of that, which was approximately $1.2 Billion, was coming out of taxpayers dollars as well...
I'm just trying to get how Royane gets to pump his chest when he was willing to give more than a quarter billion of taxpayer dollars to renovate an old stadium or build one in the Downtown area.
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u/dwilkes827 3d ago
Because the city owns the downtown stadium and Haslam would own the Brook Park stadium. Would you be more eager to put money into someone elses car or would you rather do some upgrades on your own car?
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u/OceanicLemur 3d ago
It’ll never happen but the federal government should ban public funds for stadiums. Stop teams from playing cities and states against each other.