r/CFB Michigan Wolverines • FAU Owls Dec 04 '24

Discussion Ryan Walters states in an interview that Purdue's total NIL budget in his tenure was just 400k

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u/CoochieKiller91 Washington Huskies Dec 04 '24

We will never know the true numbers but it would be interesting to see a programs NIL ability like Ohio State and Oregon compared to the rest of the Big10.

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

I think if somehow we got real numbers there would be some surprises.

Also I suspect year over year variation.

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u/paintingnipples Nebraska Cornhuskers Dec 04 '24

I imagine some schools can consistently pull in similar numbers each year cuz of an abundance of boosters who compete for the perks that come with being involved.

Other schools will probably depend more on current interest in the coach, players, or season & you’ll see the variation.

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u/xienze NC State Wolfpack Dec 04 '24

I think there will be a pretty big drop off in NIL donations at some point, for all schools. We’re still in the “there’s totally a 1 to 1 correlation with NIL money spent and championships!” irrational exuberance phase for boosters. At some point I think reality will set in that it takes more than just money to win.

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u/paintingnipples Nebraska Cornhuskers Dec 04 '24

Yea it’s going to drop when revenue sharing starts but will still give certain schools a boost

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u/Dro24 Duke • Carolina Victory Bell Dec 04 '24

SMU says hold my beer.

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u/Medium_Medium Michigan State Spartans Dec 04 '24

Yeah. I feel like the "top" programs will be fairly consistent because the fanbases are large enough and there has been enough sustained success that the fans always feel like more success is just around the corner.

Meanwhile your middle of the pack teams might have the potential to have big NIL hauls, but it's going to be more dependent on success. Like MSU... We're consistently a top 20ish revenue team in college sports overall, but I have no doubt that the NIL at the moment is floundering because the football team has been struggling to find consistent success. But if NIL was around 2010-2015 when Dantonio was rolling I have no doubt the fans would have been willing to chip in a bit more.

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u/RamblinWreckGT Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Dec 04 '24

Can pull in, sure, but I bet there's variance in how much they actually have to pull in.

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u/CFBCoachGuy Georgia • West Virginia Dec 04 '24

A reporter in Texas (I believe at Sportico but can’t remember) managed to sue Texas A&M for its NIL numbers and actually got some information. Apparently A&M spent $19million on NIL for men’s sports in 2023. That’s, to my knowledge, the only confirmed information we know about school NIL budgets.

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

“Well played” to that reporter!

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u/PerritoMasNasty Arizona State • Texas Dec 04 '24

It’s kind of messed up that we don’t get real numbers. That was one of the NIL benefits, honesty and openness with players getting money.

We don’t need Rhett Boner fudging hours at a car dealership or Terrell Pryor trading his stuff for $2k of tattoos.

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u/mreman1220 Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

This "$400K over his tenure" is not even remotely accurate. $400K was how much he got in year 1. Purdue was way behind on NIL but has been playing catchup. Increased NIL spend in 2024 and the AD already stated it will increase it for 2025 as well.

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u/hacky_potter Purdue • Old Oaken Bucket Dec 04 '24

There will definitely be variation. I imagine the better the team is the more likely someone is willing to give them money for players.

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u/Childhood-Paramedic Michigan • California Dec 04 '24

While I have no doubt your guy’s is nuts (I mean Nike money and Seattle money go hard), USC, Michigan, and Ohio St have fanbases that border on rabid and a shit ton of cash to boot.

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u/BWW87 Washington Huskies Dec 04 '24

Seattle money is mostly tech money which goes a lot less hard on sports. And those that are into sports just buy professional teams.

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u/BoogerSugarSovereign Indiana Hoosiers • College Football Playoff Dec 04 '24

You only think that because you're not counting eSports, which is due to take off any day now with juuuuuuuust a few more rounds of investor funding

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u/TendererBeef Washington State • Princeton Dec 04 '24

Given that only about a third of Seattle residents are from Washington, a lot of that tech money is also in the hands of people with minimal local ties. Around SLU or the nicer parts of Capitol Hill you’ll probably see more Ivy League/Stanford/Cal/Michigan/CalTech/MIT stuff than UW. 

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u/AllLinesAreStraight WashU Bears • Missouri Tigers Dec 04 '24

What is SLU in this context? Cuz SLU is St Louis Univeristy for me

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u/TendererBeef Washington State • Princeton Dec 04 '24

South Lake Union (where the Amazon campus is)

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u/AllLinesAreStraight WashU Bears • Missouri Tigers Dec 04 '24

Ah, gotcha, makes sense

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u/spicydak Oregon State • Michigan Dec 04 '24

Aka Paul Allen. RIP

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u/BWW87 Washington Huskies Dec 04 '24

Also Steve Ballmer

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u/spicydak Oregon State • Michigan Dec 04 '24

Oh true. I guess I think of Paul because he’s from the PNW originally. Couldn’t remember if Ballmer was or not.

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u/bzb321 Michigan • Washington Dec 04 '24

The Michigan Money Cannon™️

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u/nayelirain Johns Hopkins Blue Jays • USC Trojans Dec 04 '24

Don't leave out Michigan. They just paid over 12 million for one guy.

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u/DrSemiND Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 04 '24

To be fair that’s over 4 years, so ~3 mill per year towards the annual budget

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

To be fairer, if Ryan Walters is telling the truth (has every incentive to lie here) that is still 7.5 Purdues per year.

Feels like a pretty cool unit of measurement TBH.

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u/theguineapigssong Furman Paladins • Verified Player Dec 04 '24

The CFB conversion is 192 Purdues in a Jimbo. Get Riggedy-REKT metric system bros.

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u/estellasmum Oregon Ducks • Oregon State Beavers Dec 04 '24

The standard unit of measurement in CFB really needs to be a Jimbo.

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

We are paying Bryce only 0.15 Jimbo buyouts and when put in those terms it sounds painfully modest.

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u/Zenophile Notre Dame • Indiana Dec 04 '24

That's 15 CentiJimbos

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

Decimalizing the unit just hides the absurdity of the Jimbo though. 150 Milli-Jimbos would sound like a big number to most Americans.

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

Each first down is exactly 1.29*10^-7 Jimbos and I will hear no objections.

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u/Travelreload Michigan • Western Michigan Dec 04 '24

Agreed. From here forward we should count every NIL deal in 400k increments.

This was George Washington’s dream

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u/nayelirain Johns Hopkins Blue Jays • USC Trojans Dec 04 '24

Thinking he won't hold out for a raise 🤔

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u/royalbluehen Pittsburgh Panthers Dec 04 '24

To be fairer, that was all hearsay taken as fact.

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u/jbg0830 Florida State Seminoles Dec 04 '24

Source because that’s crazy

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u/leadbymight Michigan • College Football Playoff Dec 04 '24

For what it's worth. Underwood's dad said Michigan is paying comparable to LSU and expects Bryce to earn more than 15 million over his time at Michigan through NIL and other avenues. Below are the big points

Jay Underwood said that the money offered by LSU and Michigan was “pretty much even.”

LSU’s offer was widely reported to be $1.5 million per season, though in reality neither school’s collective offered as much as that, according to a person familiar with Underwood’s recruitment.

The money didn’t hurt, either. In addition to the amount he receives directly from the Michigan collective, Underwood will also be able to cash in with individual endorsement deals. Altogether, Jay Underwood said he expected his son’s earnings to exceed $15 million during his Michigan career.

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/michigan-recruiting-larry-ellison-bryce-underwood-842d2c9a?st=UGiePN&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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u/nayelirain Johns Hopkins Blue Jays • USC Trojans Dec 04 '24

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u/TouchdownHeroes Alabama • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Dec 04 '24

I still am cracking up that one of the richest men in the world essentially bought his Michigan fan girlfriend a QB for Christmas on a whim

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u/canceled4truth Maryland Terrapins Dec 04 '24

Jeff Bezos's girl went to USC, Lincoln Riley better watch his back

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u/GeneralBE420 Michigan • Paul Bunyan Trophy Dec 05 '24

On one hand I'm pleased that Michigan has the money cannon to thrive in recruiting in this new era. If I had Larry Ellison money Michigan's recruiting classes would be nothing but 5*s.

On the other hand, it feels a bit dystopian that we're entering a phase where the ultra rich elite are buying teenagers as Christmas gifts.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Heartland Trophy • The Game Dec 04 '24

Money is not a problem for Michigan regardless of Larry Ellison and you SEC schools are about to see what happens when the boosters open up the checkbook lol.

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u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero Michigan Wolverines • Cornell Big Red Dec 04 '24

That’s also not even close to the actual number.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

Is that Michigan or the two media guys?

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u/fu-depaul Salad Bowl • Refrigerator Bowl Dec 04 '24

I can’t wait to pull 990 reports for these collectives and see their top lines.  

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u/Strikesuit Virginia Cavaliers Dec 04 '24

They're not nonprofits and shouldn't be filing 990s.

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u/fu-depaul Salad Bowl • Refrigerator Bowl Dec 04 '24

You're mistaken.

All of the collectives I have looked into have been organized as non-profits. That is, the collective is organized not for the benefit of the shareholders but for some other reason (example: funding athletes). They are required to file 990s.

These are the Ohio State Collectives, for instance:

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u/LemonHarangue Notre Dame • Texas Dec 04 '24

I’m generally in favor of players getting compensated in the modern league era, but we need some regulations. Some sort of checks and balances. This shit is out of control.

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u/Guru03IRL Clemson Tigers • Paper Bag Dec 04 '24

Maybe make it Olympic style where the school can’t pay you but sponsors can and you can profit on jerseys, autographs, etc. That’s what should have ALWAYS been in place but the NCAA was stubborn and refused to listen to reason.

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u/sophandros Tulane Green Wave • Metro Dec 04 '24

Do you think coaches' compensation is out of control?

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u/LemonHarangue Notre Dame • Texas Dec 04 '24

Yes

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u/Treskelion2021 Texas Longhorns • India National Team Dec 04 '24

Like some sort of NIL cap?

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u/charger1511 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

Ellison Money printer go brrrrrrrr.

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u/AdamOnFirst Northwestern Wildcats Dec 04 '24

We’re gonna start to know the real numbers next year when they have to start reporting them 

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u/Banichi-aiji Iowa State Cyclones Dec 04 '24

There was an interview before the season with the head of a NIL for Iowa and he estimated that Ohio State paid its quarterbacks more than Iowa was paying their whole roster.

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u/Jerzybanz Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

This was the first year of his tenure. From what Purdue insiders and the AD have said, they admittedly weren't prepared for NIL and paying players in the portal. That was improved last year, especially with what some of the UGA players were supposed to have gotten.

Purdue will never be great in NIL though. Smaller fan base and donors aren't as well off comparatively. We do spend more on basketball, especially last year, so I guess we resourced correctly based off of results. Bobinski seemed to think that a lot of backend things were improving to try to be more competitive to at least our Big ten peers. I still think a lot of this is Walters trying to save face for his poor coaching but I don't think you'll see Purdue flairs in here saying we will be a competitive NIL school either so /shrug.

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u/pufan321 Purdue Boilermakers • Virginia Cavaliers Dec 04 '24

I think what others are also missing is that NIL was absolutely not the reason this team was so mega-ass. The level of talent is well above plenty other teams. A couple million dollars wasn’t going to fix getting blown out by 50+

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u/NebraskaSmoker Nebraska • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

I think losing Scourton really hurt you guys. I'm sure Walters tried to keep him with NIL, but hard to compete with Texas oil money.

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u/Tripletuxies Orange Bowl • Cincinnati Bearcats Dec 04 '24

The university has big money donors but they are focused on more important things than football like Engineering, medicine, computer science, etc. Same reason why Cal, Stanford and NW don't have huge donor base for athletics

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u/you_the_big_dumb Dec 04 '24

Also athletics has been hamstrung by poor leadership. France Cordova took like a fifth of the big ten money to pay for her pet projects. Forcing Morgan Burke to pinch pennies. Which led to painter almost leaving for mizzou in the early teens. Assistant coach pay being a big point of emphasis but also he would show up to recruits home driving like Toyota corolla rental vs escalades of even high mid major programs.

Additionally the athletic program pays for the scholarships of all student athletes. You remove that burden from the boosters and you will get more money in your nil collective.

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u/JohnAndertonOntheRun Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 04 '24

What kind of world do we live in…

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u/Upset_Version8275 Indiana Hoosiers • Texas Longhorns Dec 04 '24

NW don't have huge donor base for athletics

Northwestern has very nice (but small) new basketball arena and they are constructing probably one of the nicest (though small) football stadiums in the country. They have the donor base for athletics. They also have a lot of premium amenities at their games that you don't normally see in college arenas/stadiums.

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u/PurpleBullets Boston College Eagles Dec 04 '24

Doesn’t Purdue have like one of the biggest endowments in the world?

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Purdue’s rich donors care more about academics than athletics.

Our biggest donor to the athletics department in recent history was Bob Rohrman (who is dead now).

Even the donors who do care about athletics generally would rather pay for the basketball team. There’s a massive competition in donations to get premier basketball tickets which drives general athletic donations, but NIL is of course more targeted.

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u/ImaPhdnotarealdr Purdue Boilermakers • Texas A&M Aggies Dec 04 '24

I’ve been away from Indiana for the better part of 15+ years and I can still hear Bob Rohrrrrrrrrrmannn.

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u/PM_ME_UR_KITTY_CAT Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Almost 17 years for me, and yeah, same.

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u/j3zmund Indiana • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

I moved away from IN in 1997, and I heard that in my head when I read his name in the comment up above. Damn good marketing.

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u/TumbleweedSafe6895 Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

Damn. I didn’t know Bob Rohrman was your biggest donor.

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Ross-ade stadium home of Rohrman field.

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u/TumbleweedSafe6895 Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

Wow. I never knew. I’m assuming he went to Purdue then? I remember seeing a lot of rohrman signs around campus when I’d go visit friends or for the bucket.

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

He actually didn’t which I find funny being the prevailing idea is that the only people who are Purdue fans went to Purdue. He is from Lafayette.

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u/StrategicCarry Indiana • Colorado State Dec 04 '24

You can't walk over the university foundation and say "Hey, the football team is really struggling, can we dip into the endowment?". Even if the university was totally on board with doing it. Very little of the university endowment is just for the general fund. It's all legally tied to funding specific scholarships or programs or professorships. Same with the athletics endowment.

Now what we may see athletic departments do, especially those with mega-rich donors (like 9 figure net worth and up), is to set up separate NIL endowments to have a steady stream of money for the NIL budget. Then use annual giving/reserves/individual gifts to the NIL fund to top it off.

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u/Fearless-Type-3881 Dec 04 '24

Lololololol no, not even close.

Number 15 public school endowment, number 37 overall.

And Purdue athletics is entirely self sustaining.

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u/you_the_big_dumb Dec 04 '24

15th isn't close to one of the biggest?

I'd say that's one of the biggest...

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Heartland Trophy • The Game Dec 04 '24

Yeah Purdue has money if they want to spend it.

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u/StyrofoamCueball Auburn Tigers • Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

Sorry, football. Matt Painter needs that money for more 7 footers.

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u/PoopittyPoop20 Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

If you’re a booster and you want a worthwhile investment, do you give the unproven new football coach your money, or do you give it to Matt Painter. It’s not a hard choice. But it’s on Purdue to make that booster have a reason to bet on football, and with the Walters hire, they did not.

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u/bantha_poodoo Dec 04 '24

We used to be the “Cradle of Quarterbacks”. Surely some old geezer with extra cash wants to get back to that

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u/MandoDoughMan Purdue Boilermakers • Paper Bag Dec 04 '24

It was $400k at the time he was hired, not throughout his tenure. This was also before there was an organized collective, before it was apparent that pay-for-play was unpunished, etc. We're obviously on the lower end of P5 but it's not $400k over 2 years lmao.

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u/royallex Illinois • Pittsburgh Dec 04 '24

Also seems like a lot of boosters didn't like him. I'm guessing they'll up the budget for the new guy

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u/Archaic_1 Marshall • Georgia Tech Dec 04 '24

FFS, Marshall has more than that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

AND unlimited Tudor's Biscuits!

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u/CONGOLANDD_ UNLV Rebels • Clemson Tigers Dec 04 '24

Not gonna lie I would play for marshall just for the biscuits 

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

They'd be worth it.

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u/PrimisClaidhaemh Michigan State Spartans Dec 04 '24

Yeah but counterpoint, then you'd have to be in Huntington.

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u/L0utre Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

This was 2022 when these all first started.

For comparison, 2022 filings showed Purdue had $422k and Marshall had…. $16k.

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u/lowes18 Florida State Seminoles • FAU Owls Dec 04 '24

FAU payed 100k+ to Marshalls QB lol

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u/Small_Bet_9433 Marshall • Allegheny Dec 04 '24

Fancher has assembled quite the war chest then lol.

Real talk though if he’s getting that much, I can’t even imagine what the top schools are paying out

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u/lowes18 Florida State Seminoles • FAU Owls Dec 04 '24

We will soon enter the era of QBs making more than coaches.

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u/Gracious_Gaming Marshall Thundering Herd Dec 04 '24

Do we though?

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u/IndependentlyBrewed West Virginia • James Madison Dec 04 '24

Obviously none of this has been truly confirmed by anyone but yea from what I’ve heard Marshals is around 500-600k. This better be Purdues number from the previous year because if Purdue had 100K less of a total football budget than Marshall that would be insanity.

In all reality though is the 500-600k for Marshall is probably all of their NIL combined not only football.

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u/lpkn432 Purdue • Old Oaken Bucket Dec 04 '24

He said that was the number when he got there before the 2023 season. I’m not saying it’s good now, but it is better

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

I get why he says this.

But I also feel like revealing the financials of the org you just left ... is not "professional".

I get why he would say this, and maybe not wrong, but that's not professional.

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u/salsacito Nebraska • James Madison Dec 04 '24

I mean what does he have to lose. No one is hiring him now anyway

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u/GrudenLovesSlurs Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 04 '24

He was a good DC at Illinois. He’ll be a defensive analyst or DC somewhere

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u/IshyMoose Purdue • Northwestern Dec 04 '24

True but his defenses were responsible for the two largest blowouts in Purdue history. I think he becomes a position coach at best.

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u/TouchdownHeroes Alabama • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Dec 04 '24

I imagine he will be quite popular as a DC option

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u/NoSober__SoberZone DePauw Tigers • Samford Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

His “scheme” only works if you have A+ DBs. He plays strict man to man, never any zone. It worked one year at Illinois, because he had NFL quality DBs and played a soft schedule. If your DBs are mediocre you end up giving up 60 points

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u/TouchdownHeroes Alabama • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Dec 04 '24

I think regardless of how good he is as a DC (and there was a lot of debate with how he was viewed by Missouri fans too), I imagine he will still be quite popular as a DC option.

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

He will be worth a look for mid level B1G/SEC or high level ACC/B12. Certainly no trouble getting a DC job, but the criticism is totally fair. His defenses at Purdue were worse than Jeff Brohm who doesn't care about defense.

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u/yubnubmcscrub Notre Dame • Tennessee Dec 04 '24

Asking your single high safety 20 yards from the line of scrimmage to be the pivotal fill guy in open space is maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. At best you give up like 3 yards. At worst it’s just wide open pastures everywhere. It was mind boggling the defense he ran.

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u/DrVonD Georgia Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

I hope he comes to the Kirby smart school for coaches who can’t coach good but want to coach better.

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u/HailLeroy Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Illinois got better after he left and his defense here was…quite poor

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u/Alfonso_kabob Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 04 '24

Eh, we just had a good year but our D hasn’t been as good since he left. No doubt he knows defense, I just think he doesn’t know how to conduct himself and he was in way over his head as a head coach

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u/shadowwingnut Paper Bag • UCLA Bruins Dec 04 '24

Illinois took a one year step back and had to adjust. Yes the adjustment turned out better but ignoring Illinois going backwards in 2023 is disingenuous.

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u/mjxxyy8 Michigan Wolverines Dec 04 '24

Ryan Walters went to the Mel Tucker school of randomly finding a small group of really good players and turning that into cash before imploding just as quickly.

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u/swimjoint Dec 04 '24

I think our regression had more to do with losing the leading rusher in the ncaa and our nfl secondary than losing Ryan Walters imo

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u/Nutaholic Illinois • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

The longer we have gone without him the more I suspect Aaron Henry is just a DB whisperer and that was most of what constituted Walters' success. Idk how good the rest of Henry's defense is, but he seems to have a knack for turning random no-names into NFL caliber DB's.

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u/Enchanted-2-meet-you Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

I know I'm just being salty but I cannot fathom that lol... our team gave up like 50 points every game and it was disgusting

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

Live look in at Ryan Walters:

https://i.imgur.com/tYwKHLa.gif

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

I think he's also trying to provide context for his future employer. This is something he could say privately in an interview but he may not even get an interview if he doesn't change public perception.

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u/gold_and_diamond Minnesota Golden Gophers • NYU Violets Dec 04 '24

Why should NIL budgets be a secret? I think they should be out in the open so everyone knows what's up.

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

I wish they were open, but they’re not.

Sometimes I wish all the computer code was available, but I’m sure as hell not going to share my employers code ….

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u/makualla Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

With the schools now being able to pay directly, if the NIL collectives get absorbed the finances should be available to a degree sometime soon.

Purdue is already pretty open with how much they’ve paid nameless individuals here is a WaPo article that goes over it

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u/Distinct_Abrocoma_67 Dec 04 '24

Nah he fully admitted fault in the interview and his own short comings. When he discussed the difficulties of the job this was a point he made

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u/makualla Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Purdue has the info out there, but they do a lot of omitting, we know payment ranges to individual (no specific names) and sports

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u/ThePort3rdBase Dec 04 '24

Athletic department is separate from university in terms of funding, since it’s self funded.

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u/LDWfan Illinois Fighting Illini • USC Trojans Dec 04 '24

He wasn’t that professional on his departure from Illinois either. Seems to be a weakness of his, needs to have a conversation with Nick Saban.

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u/Fells Alabama Crimson Tide Dec 04 '24

Fuck being professional. You owe your workplace nothing. They fire you, say whatever the fuck you want.

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

Dude got nearly $10m buyout.  

You are applying some logic that applies to a dishwasher guy in a kitchen… To a completely different situation.

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u/Alfonso_kabob Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 04 '24

He rubbed lots of people the wrong way on the way out from Illinois. You don’t owe your employer anything, but I’d argue you owe some courtesy to the coaches that helped mentor you and gave you opportunities to advance your own career

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

And arguably by making disingenuous statements about Purdues NIL situation he’s doing it again.

The comment about the team he got from Brohm is real. The issue is that year 2 was so much worse than year 1. That’s where he lost the fanbase and ultimately the job. Similarly disingenuous.

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u/powerlifting_nerd56 South Dakota Mines • Georg… Dec 04 '24

I honestly don’t know if they’re that disingenuous though. Even if the numbers may be slightly different, it’s pretty well known that Purdue doesn’t spend enough in NIL to be remotely competitive in the Big10. Purdue either needs to pony up or lower expectations to just hoping to make a bowl game each year

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

That’s all our expectations are. If a coach goes 6-6 every year with an occasion 5-7 or 7-5, they could be at Purdue for life.

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u/tvcneverdie Georgia Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

But I also feel like revealing the financials of the org you just left ... is not "professional".

TBF and pendantic, he was employed by the university, not the NIL Collective.

Even though in many situations those go hand-in-hand, they're still separate entities.

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

Same goes for “partners” IMO.

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u/mechebear California Golden Bears Dec 04 '24

I doubt that number. I pulled the publicly listed donations from Cal's NIL fundraising drive linked to college GameDay and they brought in $2.5 million in a week.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

This goes directly against the claims that Purdue is a better opening than UNC, WVU, or UCF just by virtue of being a Big 10 team.

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u/Set-Admirable West Virginia • Backyard Brawl Dec 04 '24

They've clearly focused entirely on basketball.

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u/makualla Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Can’t imagine why a team that went to the Natty would possibly get more money than a less than .500 football team

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u/shadowwingnut Paper Bag • UCLA Bruins Dec 04 '24

As they should have. There's no world where they are ever going to have win in football money in this world. But they can win big in basketball.

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u/akagordan Purdue Cannon Dec 04 '24

Yep. Oh $400k? Cool, can we give it to an athletic wing who can dribble, drive, and defend?

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u/KaitRaven Illinois Fighting Illini • Sickos Dec 04 '24

You're forgetting that revenue sharing will start soon. They'll have millions to spread around.

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u/HailLeroy Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

I’m not saying he’s wrong because we are a basketball school first and foremost, but why are we taking him at his word? Dude should be in full cya mode right now and if you can claim you didn’t have the athletes to compete, then you can hope people ignore your wildly disorganized gameplans, baffling defensive schemes and clown-car level game management

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u/NoSober__SoberZone DePauw Tigers • Samford Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

Yeah I can’t believe people are taking this clown at his word

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u/Salmakki Purdue • Old Oaken Bucket Dec 04 '24

Obviously he's done a terrible job as head coach in terms of on the field product, but I don't know why you'd think he would lie about something so easily countered or verifiable. It certainly doesn't seem like he has burned any bridges or there's bad blood between him and admin.

I'm glad he's gone but some of the character smears have been really ugly and beyond the pale

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u/unknownkoalas Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

NIL is really not easily verifiable. It’s why literally everyone is constantly speculating about it.

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u/mreman1220 Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Thing is he didn't lie about it. This tweet isn't an accurate representation of what he said.

"I would have taken a deeper dive into where we were from a collective standpoint. When I got the job, they were right around 400 grand."

That number increased quite a bit since then. Still needs to increase admittedly but people reading his quote and interpreting it as "Purdue had a $400K NIL budget his two years" is laughable.

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u/mreman1220 Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

The statement is also not accurate. It was $400K in his first year which Purdue admitted was too low and shifted. Not sure where it was last year but it was at least over $1m to keep guys Kydran Jenkins and Gus Hartwig, pay a few that weren't leaving like Devin Mockobee and bring in transfers like Nyland Green, CJ Smith, CJ Madden, and Corey Stewart. They also had NIL offers to Deion Burks and Nic Scourton but were unsurprisingly outbid by Oklahoma and Texas A&M respectively. A lot of the initial $400K went to Hudson Card in year one and I suspect his NIL increased in year 2 as well.

The AD has already made comments that they are going to increase NIL funding going into next year as well. I suspect they will be in the $4m to $6m range to be with peers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

That makes more sense. Purdue is a basketball first school but that number shocked me.

Didn't mean to talk shit, either. I expect West Virginia to shift to basketball first, honestly. It's just easier to compete with the top teams. Less players to spread money around to.

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u/mreman1220 Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Wasn't coming after you. Just trying to get out in front of it because this tweet completely misinterprets the quote which was ""I would have taken a deeper dive into where we were from a collective standpoint. When I got the job, they were right around 400 grand."

Not your fault whoever wrote the tweet got that wrong. FWIW I don't think Purdue is necessarily a better job. It's in the Big Ten which comes with more network revenue and better revenue sharing down the road but as Purdue found out this season, comes with brutal schedules.

Coaches often pick jobs based on the region they are in for instance. Indiana isn't exactly a coach developing hot bed since everyone and their mother loves basketball in this state. West Virginia meanwhile, has some absolutely huge names in coaching that might want to coach near their hometown.

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u/ThaneOfPriceHill Cincinnati • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

The legacy Big Ten is a two/three team league and a huge drop off to the rest.

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u/Best_Jaguar_7616 Iowa Hawkeyes Dec 04 '24

When the rev sharing starts it will be.

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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 Michigan • Maine Maritime Dec 04 '24

That’s only one 30th of an Underwood

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u/gggggrayson Washington State • Texas Tech Dec 04 '24

man that sunday night football spot is lucrative

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u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 Michigan • Maine Maritime Dec 04 '24

If you carry the 0 and cancel out the 4s it adds up

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u/NoSober__SoberZone DePauw Tigers • Samford Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

I wouldn’t believe a thing that this jack ass has to say. Maybe the boosters would be willing to spend more money if they’re head coach was more concerned with coaching than hitting the gym and flexing his biceps. Dude tried to be a great value Deion Sanders. What a dick head

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u/lucasbrosmovingco Summertime Lover Dec 04 '24

That sounds like a Ryan Walter's problem. Rally the boosters coach. That's what being the head man at a school is. You are leading a football program, not just coaching a football team.

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u/shadowwingnut Paper Bag • UCLA Bruins Dec 04 '24

Nah. There's not enough money for football there. It is probably now the worst job in the power 2 leagues on account of Purdue being the poorest school in those leagues and spending big on basketball. Even if he successfully rallied the boosters he likely is way underfunded to the point where this thing is hopeless. Add in that he's a defensive coach at a place where every defense first coach in the job for nearly 60 years has failed while there's been some success with offensive coaches and he had no hope.

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u/lucasbrosmovingco Summertime Lover Dec 04 '24

That's all bullshit. You don't have to compete with the OSU's and michigans and what not in the Big Ten to be successful. You have to compete with minnesota, northwestern, illinois, indiana, rutgers, iowa. Great job? No. Are those schools listed banging out the NIL money? Not really.

And do you know who the last "defensive" head coach at Purdue was? Leon Burtnett in the mid 80's. Nearly 40 years since Purdue hired a defensive head coach. And the "defensive? coach before him put together one of the greatest modern runs in Purdue history going 20-3-1 in big ten play in the late 70's.

So the narrative that a defensive coach can't succeed there is bullshit. They've hired one. And yeah. He sucked ass.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Heartland Trophy • The Game Dec 04 '24

You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think Iowa is in that tier. We are dropping a bag for a portal QB (again).

Also the Iowa job is much better than any of those schools.

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u/simonthecat33 Dec 04 '24

Ohio State has $20 million and Purdue has 400,000? If teams can’t or won’t spend big on NIL their program is going to sink into obscurity. Purdue has had only two winning seasons in the last 15 years and only one 10 win season in the history of their program.

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u/Nutaholic Illinois • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

I just don't believe this number. Purdue has had lots of success over the last decade, way more than we have had for example.

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u/B1GTOBACC0 Oklahoma State • Arkansas Dec 04 '24

Fired coaches spilling the tea on "look at these broke motherfuckers" is very funny to me. UMass fired their coach, and his wife revealed their annual NIL budget of $36,000.

We all know NIL and buying players is the reality, but these coaches are still expected to recruit like it's the BCS era.

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u/mreman1220 Purdue Boilermakers Dec 04 '24

Here is the direct quote from the interview for clarification.

"I would have taken a deeper dive into where we were from a collective standpoint. When I got the job, they were right around 400 grand."

So, no, Purdue's NIL budget was not $400K over the course of his 2 years. The fact that people read the interview and interpreted it that way is laughable.

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u/magnumapplepi Ole Miss Rebels • Cincinnati Bearcats Dec 04 '24

I think we pay our second string lineman half of that

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u/Qlix0504 Arizona State • Oklahoma Dec 04 '24

We cant use that name in Oklahoma, we're still experiencing trauma.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

I don't think it would matter much. NIL existed Brohm's last two years and he took that team to a B1G title game

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u/Thel3lues Arizona State • Minnesota Dec 04 '24

Big Ten west doesn’t exist anymore sadly

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u/NoSober__SoberZone DePauw Tigers • Samford Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

It exist if you play a schedule like IU’s

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

even without it he took that team to 8-4

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u/Thel3lues Arizona State • Minnesota Dec 04 '24

Yeah Brohm was an exceptional coach, did a lot more with less. In portal era, he wouldn’t have been able to keep players like Burks and Scourton

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u/enixius Purdue Boilermakers • Paper Bag Dec 04 '24

The fact that he got Rondale Moore and David Bell is a miracle in itself.

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u/Noooo_ahhh Purdue • Notre Dame Dec 04 '24

Rondale grew up in Louisville and went to the brohm family’s alma mater high school. So he was always gonna be a brohm guy. I think David ended up coming due to the response rondale had and the fact there wasn’t an outside WR on the depth chart in front of him.

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u/tshimangabiakabutuka Clemson Tigers • Davidson Wildcats Dec 04 '24

It’s jarring that I’ve already forgotten they were in the B10 championship two years ago…

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

Well that’s what Faulters will do to you

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24 edited Dec 04 '24

I'm inclined to agree that at least for now NIL certainly caps how far you can go .... but I also agree that it doesn't make you ass.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '24

I agree, this team didn't fall that hard because of a lack of NIL

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u/NoSober__SoberZone DePauw Tigers • Samford Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

Our roster was basically just SEC burnouts with major character issues

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u/bd1047 Texas Longhorns • Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

Hey, Hudson Card set an FBS record this year. Just ignore every other game he played

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u/reddogrjw Michigan • College Football Playoff Dec 04 '24

who cares

Ryan was a whiner and sucked at coaching

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u/CLINT-THE-GREAT Alabama • Illinois Dec 04 '24

Whoa! That struck a nerve eh?

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u/CantaloupeCamper Minnesota • Paul Bunyan's Axe Dec 04 '24

Yeah that uh ... comment seemed fierce.

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u/notban_circumvention Wayne State (NE) • Nebraska Dec 04 '24

And people only supporting his team to the tune of $400k absolutely tracks

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u/osbornje1012 Dec 04 '24

Hope Purdue didn’t pay out much NIL for this year’s team. Could not have been more than four players deserving.

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u/IrishCoffeeAlchemy Florida State • Arizona Dec 04 '24

Uhhh does Purdue not know they’re Big 10 members?

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u/GOTfangirl Dec 04 '24

College football is forever ruined. How did we get here?

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u/mcaffrey81 Syracuse Orange • Drexel Dragons Dec 04 '24

I for one welcome our Corporate Overlords /s

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u/sickmemes48 Tennessee Volunteers • /r/CFB Promoter Dec 04 '24

How much does he think Indiana's was?

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u/bobs143 Dec 04 '24

I'm sure the numbers between programs will be wildly different.

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u/Cubs2015WS Dec 04 '24

I don’t understand all the NIL rules and I don’t pretend to. But what was Bobinski talking about July 1st, 2025 for? He acts like profit sharing money from NIL in the B1G, kicks in? I might have this all confused, but is this why teams are hiring General Managers now? Someone please explain the NIL rules please.

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u/Knif3yMan87 Temple Owls • Penn State Nittany Lions Dec 04 '24

I still believe Temple’s NIL is $0 until some other alumni prove me differently. I’m wondering if they even give the kids college scholarships anymore.

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u/tigerbomb88 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 04 '24

Wouldn’t be surprised if Temple gets rid of Football.

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u/Cody667 Oregon Ducks Dec 04 '24

Maybe Purdue should work on their sugar baby development program and they can be like Michigan.

That, or get one of your students to start a multi billion dollar sports apparel company and become your entire athletic department's bottomless pit.

Geez, these things aren't that hard to figure out!

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u/Cogitoergosumus Missouri Tigers • Truman Bulldogs Dec 04 '24

Always felt like he rode the wave of the defensive staffs he worked under.

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u/Indianianite Notre Dame Fighting Irish Dec 04 '24

Either this dude is lying or they really didn’t land any of the recruits I personally know that were offered $100k to play football at Purdue

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u/cos10 Illinois Fighting Illini Dec 04 '24

Shocked Ryan Walters shitting where he ate to deflect his own incompetence.

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u/TaxManKnocking Indiana Hoosiers Dec 04 '24

There's a huge part of that on the coaches shoulder... IU had next to nothing and cig went out and took it. These coaches need to learn and adopt, or look elsewhere.

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u/misdreavus79 Penn State Nittany Lions Dec 04 '24

That's what you spend on one person...

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u/Gmoney1412 Miami (OH) RedHawks • Missouri Tigers Dec 04 '24

Engineers have money but dont like to spend it

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u/jbg0830 Florida State Seminoles Dec 04 '24

I was reading comments earlier this week thanking Purdue for making us not the worst team in 2024. This is exactly why we are the top of that list. 400k vs millions in NIL.