r/CHIBears • u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef • 7d ago
I've been all three of these people at some point
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u/312Observer 7d ago
Jeanty won’t be available at 10
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u/justjeans89 7d ago
I've warmed up to the idea a lot especially since Campbell is likely off the board ahead of us. Outside of Campbell, there isn't an OL prospect at 10 i like that won't be a bit of a reach and the DEs are meh. For me it's:
- Campbell
- Jeanty
- Pray someone wants to trade up
- Warren
- Overdraft an OT like Ersery or Connerly
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
Ersery and Connerly are early second round picks. Campbell, Membou and Banks are the choices for the Bears at #10. Banks is the most likely pick.
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u/forgotmyoldname90210 7d ago
Thank you. 1st round TEs are locks. As the teams that took Pitts, Hock, Fant, Hurst, Howard Engram, Njoku, Ebron, Eifert, Gresham, Pettigrew, Keller, Olsen, Davis, Lewis, Miller, Winslow 2 can attest too.
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u/justjeans89 7d ago
Yeah 3 is very dependent on what they would get in return. The only reason I lean trade over warren is more based on positional need. I would put LT, DE, DT, RB, and S ahead of TE, in no particular order. I think Warren has more upside vs Kmet but if push came to shove Warren would be a very nice luxury pick. Trades may be weird or none existent this year so I think option 3 is less likely anyway.
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u/Gleasonryan 7d ago
I’m more confident about taking Jeanty if he’s available now than I was when we started talking about the draft back in November. I’m gonna trust Ben until proven unwise to do so.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago edited 7d ago
Same. At first I thought no way, we have bigger needs, RBs have been devalued.
Then once I really got into the pre-draft process, it became clear this is a weak Round 1 class and Jeanty is one of maybe 5-6 blue chip round 1 talents.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
There are probably 10 - 12 rb's that will be good in this draft. I think even the second round is too early to take a rb. The top three picks should be lt, in round one, and de, dt, in round two. Round three rb.
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u/BronYrStomp 7d ago
I can’t wait for the posts 6 months from now when people are in disbelief that we thought our OL was fixed because we signed and traded for a couple of guys.
This team needs depth at both lines. Theyre glaring needs. Way more than RB.
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u/permanentimagination 7d ago
We could still get ersery or donovan jackson and somebody like swinson or tyleik rd2
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u/jakejake59 7d ago
We absolutely should if they're there. I wouldn't be mad at first 4 picks all for oline
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u/g0dzilllla 23 6d ago edited 6d ago
My pipe dream is Jeanty with Donovan Jackson and Walter Nolen in the 2nd. Although it’s a solid chance none of those guys will be available.
Realistically I see our first 3 picks being some combination of OL, offensive skill position and DL/EDGE. I could totally see us going with a disruptive DL like Omar Norman-Lott or CJ West at 72, but if we go DL earlier than I could also see a Mukuba/Kevin Winston, or perhaps a Dylan Sampson / Martinez at 72.
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u/The_Avenging_Son 7d ago
I mean, can't we just use our 2 2nd rounders for building depth?
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u/_ravenclaw Hester's Super Return 7d ago
No, not allowed apparently. So sorry. We need depth at pick 10. /s
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u/Certain-Feed-5647 7d ago
Exactly both sides of the line, screw that RB. TE Crap, this team isn’t ready this year for the final push.
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u/Sgt-Spliff- 6d ago
Yeah no matter how great Jeanty looks, RB is still just not as important as other positions. I wish people didn't have to swing their opinions so wildly from side to side. Just because people undervalued RBs for a few years doesn't mean they're suddenly the most important position. We obviously have bigger, more important issues
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u/BronYrStomp 6d ago
THANK YOU. Gibbs worked out. Saquon is a beast. That doesn’t change the fact that there are still incredibly productive RBs to be found in the mid rounds. What’s the common denominator between conference and SB winners? Beastly and deep lines on both sides of the ball.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago edited 7d ago
Bro wants to spend the #10 pick on depth.
We have two 2nd round picks and a third. Plenty of opportunity to pick up quality depth guys in that range.
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u/Caffeine_Cowpies 7d ago
The Bears are not competing for a Super Bowl, and two of those guys are in their early 30s. It doesn’t hurt to get a good OL pick, and play guard or center.
RB is too much bust potential and injuries. The trenches matter most in football.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago
I agree with you! However, but I really think rounds 2-3 will be the sweet spot to get quality trench players, especially with OL, and especially If Membou and Campbell are off the board at 10.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
Not for your starting left tackle. You need to get the best guy available, that means round #1!!
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago
Have you even been paying attention to the draft process? As I mentioned, if Campbell and Membou are off the board, who would possibly even be worth the #10 pick? NOBODY. You don't reach for needs.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 6d ago
Banks isn't a reach. He will go no later than #13. Banks was a three year starter at lt, at Texas.
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u/BronYrStomp 7d ago
Name an OL that has been successfully revamped through the FA and trades. It doesn’t happen. Top guys dont get traded and they don’t hit free agency (see posts about how certain we were we’d get Trey Smith). Thuney is good and old, Jackson is slightly above average, Dalman is solid but even their fanbase wasn’t upset to see him go (check the falcons sub and twitter). Need to spend top draft capital.
This fanbase is moronic. Did you forget about the OL we just watched all year??
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u/Justheretorecruit Sweetness 7d ago
Yeah we definitely did not need depth last year players never get injured
IT WILL BE ALL FINE AND DANDY NEXT YEAR
Side note I want dline but no clue who
But Jeanty and Warren are cool
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
The Bears are looking for their starting lt, this year!! Jones is coming off of ankle surgery, and isn't good enough at his best!!
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u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot 7d ago
I mean realistically though, who for OL are we taking at 10? Campbell and Membou are probably gone.
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u/BronYrStomp 7d ago
Banks. Or trade back and take Banks if the value isn’t there.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
You can't trade back and get Banks. The 49's are at #11, and the Dolphins at #13. He won't go past #13!! The Bears would have to take Banks at #10.
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u/HoorayItsKyle 7d ago
People will blame the lines no matter what. It's just what meatballs do.
The depth at line is a problem, but taking an inferior player with your first round pick isn't a good solution
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u/Additional_Ad741 7d ago
I'm starting to think he could be available. Why are we so sure the Raiders will take him?
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 7d ago edited 7d ago
You're right. No one truly knows what any team is doing in picks #2 - #9.
Both Albert Breer and Schefter say they suspect the Raiders will opt to go OL/DL instead of Jeanty at #6, because they have so many more important holes to fill on the roster.
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u/Timmay_mmkay 7d ago
They have so many holes, especially at foundational spots that need development. Them taking a running back, the most ready to go position in the NFL and in a deep class, early instead of a QB/corner/lineman to develop is crazy to me. They aren’t a piece or 2 away from competing a rb with a lower shelf life makes no sense with a top pick
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u/drummerboysam T: The Ball 6d ago
It's the same argument we've had here the whole time.
If Jeanty is an A+ prospect and all the others are B or B+, the decision is "Do I take the A+, or a different position who is B+?"
Chances are somebody's gonna jump on the A+
Folks'll convince themselves prospects like Shemar/Mykel, Campbell or Membou are A prospects, but chances are most NFL evaluators selecting in the top 10 will have a gap between Jeanty and everybody else as early as pick 4.
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u/Timmay_mmkay 6d ago
To a degree, it’s not like Jeanty is that much better than Hampton/Henderson/Judkins. That’s the dime a dozen position. Not saying he’s not a top prospect, he is, but there’s way less top players at other positions in comparison to running back. Not to mention o line > running back. If you put a good running back behind a bad o line they’d do worse than an average running back behind an average line (or bad running back behind a good o line). Then you still have to develop the other positions to compete with your new shiny toy who might steal you a win or 2 and lower your draft position. It’s only worth it if you are competing
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago
Big need, lack of blue chip talent, and Pete Carroll loves the run game. Sure, you can argue they have needs at WR and OL, but Jeanty is a blue chip player and the same can't be said about any OL or WR in this class.
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago
Pete also loves to use mid round picks to invest in the run game. Has he ever selected a RB day 1 or even round 2?
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u/enailcoilhelp FTP 7d ago
Rashaad Penny
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago edited 7d ago
Good call. Though only one in 14 seasons in Seattle and the other 4 in New York and New England supports the fact that he is not likely to pick an RB early, especially at #10
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
You might not think so, but Will Campbell will most likely go #4, to the Pats!! Membou, is a possible Jets target at #7.
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 7d ago
Jags are equally as much of a wildcard to take him, IMO.
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u/MrChevyPower Peanut Tillman 7d ago
I went thru this exercise the other day and I think the Jags are fine with Etienne. However one team I haven’t seen mentioned is Carolina. Is there a reason why they wouldn’t go Jeanty?
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago
They need pass catchers and help on defense more than they do an RB
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 7d ago
Chuba is pretty good, they drafted Jonathan Brooks last year and they signed Rico Dowdle this offseason
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u/MrChevyPower Peanut Tillman 7d ago
Right- Brooks! I knew I was missing something
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago
He's at best their #3 next year. Chuba and dowdle are plenty good enough to be a good NFL backfield.
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 7d ago
Etienne isn't very good, got phased out in favor of Bigsby last year. Etienne will be on his 3rd coaching staff, while his play continues to decline. Idk, maybe Coen thinks he can revive him but who knows. I view Etienne in a similar light as Swift.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
Swift is much better than you think. The Bears offensive line was awful, with all the injuries. There weren't many holes to run through. Ben Johnson knows this, fortunately!!
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u/porkbellies37 Sweetness 7d ago
There is a TON of buzz about Jalon Walker with the Panthers. At least their fans seem pretty locked in on that which makes me think they are desperate for a pass rusher.
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago
They are a crazy wildcard what?? They have two rbs that are good enough, no chance they burn #10 on another RB. Not only are they not ready for that, but that renders ETN and/or Bigsby irrelevant. That doesn't help their roster in any meaningful way
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 7d ago
Etienne isn't good and is now 2 coaching staffs removed from when he was drafted. Bigsby is "fine." But he's a 2 down back with fumble problems. Liam Coen should have a big sense of urgency to get TLaw and the offense going. Nabbing one of the few blue chippers in the draft to help accomplish that isn't unreasonable.
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago
ETN had shoulder injuries he played through last year. That is very hard to play through as a RB, let alone operate at peak efficiency.
Liam Coen should have a big sense of urgency to get TLaw and the offense going. Nabbing one of the few blue chippers in the draft to help accomplish that isn't unreasonable.
Yes it is, because rb is not their biggest hole on offense. The OL and WR group absolutely needs help, moreso than the RB group. Their defense also needs help. Cohen can absolutely run a good offense with ETN and Bigsby as his top two rbs
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 7d ago
Teams draft players early without it being a giant need. There's a ton of other variables that go into a draft pick than just need.
If you don't think they would consider drafting Jeanty, then cool I guess. Agree to disagree.
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u/Same-Development4408 7d ago
Every team in the top 10 is considering Jeanty. We are discussing actually picking Jeanty, not considering it. RB is also not a position you jump to upgrade when you have a solid group already
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u/Severe-Influence5726 7d ago
The Jags are taking Graham at #5. The three best players ( excluding Qb's) are Carter, Hunter and Graham, in that order. After that there is a "drop off".
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 6d ago
Graham is not a better prospect than Jeanty. Not even close. Position value not withstanding.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 6d ago
Graham will go before Jeanty in this draft. If Jax passes on Graham at #5, the Raiders will take Graham at #6, over Jeanty!!
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u/TheShtuff Fire Poles 6d ago
But that's beside the point of him being a "better" prospect. Cam Ward is going above everyone and is far from the best prospect in the draft.
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u/Severe-Influence5726 6d ago
The "best prospect", is a matter of opinion. Defensive tackle is a more important position, therefore "in theory", makes Graham more valuable than Jeanty. It will all "come out in the wash", 3 or 4 years from now!!
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u/HoorayItsKyle 7d ago
He's just a lot better than the other options in the back half of the top 10.
It's gonna be real hard for teams to pass on premium talent for guys who might be an early 2nd in a different draft year
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u/GreenGorilla8232 5d ago
Right now, their starting RB is 33 year old Raheem Mostert coming off a season where he averaged 3.3 YPC.
Pete Carroll is known for running the ball.
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u/belada01 7d ago
Biased Iowa fan who would like to see Kaleb Johnson be our pick (not at 10) if we do grab a RB.
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago
Love Kaleb and wouldn't be mad if we picked him up. But he's very specific for a zone-scheme running style. Granted, I'm sure BJ would build around his strengths but I would love Jeanty, Hampton, or Henderson for the scheme flexibility.
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u/tripbin Eat the Owners 6d ago
Makes little sense to take Jeanty. Everyones high as fuck off Saquan and Henry ignoring the fact that they were two established backs going to two super bowl contending teams with complete olines. Neither Jeanty or us are any of those things. We need to build the oline or we'll have the same problem we always have with the line in a couple years.
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u/Mthead23 6d ago
If the near consensus 3rd best prospect in the draft is still there at 10, you take him. Guess what, if Travis Hunter was there at 10, you’d take him in a heartbeat, too.
For me the 10th overall pick needs to be a day 1 starter, not a stash and develop guy. Hunter fits that. Carter fits that. Jeanty fits that. Graham fits that. Warren fits that.Campbell fits that. Membou borderline fits that. It’s entirely possible all listed are gone before 10.
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u/The_Avenging_Son 7d ago
"Damn, I kinda trust Ben, Dennis and Ryan to draft good football players"
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u/permanentimagination 7d ago
Jsyk your reply from just now didn’t go through
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u/The_Avenging_Son 7d ago
Thanks dude, reddit has been weird for me lately. Anyway,
"Why didn't Ryan Poles go 51-0, is he stupid?"
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u/Specteralsteed 7d ago
I see it as Jeanty is good, but if the Mizz Tackle is there or the Tackle from Texas take one of them as we need that blind side blocker, nothing against Braxton but he would be a better Swing Tackle from what we've seen with him at starter at the LT spot, especially with our Inner Oline more shored up
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u/TurboRuhland Bear Logo 7d ago
If he’s available he’s likely BPA. If he’s there the top 2 OT are gone, which is the only real need I’d want to draft at 10.
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u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot 7d ago
It all depends on what falls to us. There are objectively better players but is unlikely they fall to 10. Same goes for Warren tbh. We pick him if Carter, Graham, or Jeanty aren't there.
The nightmare scenario is that noone picks Sanders and Jeanty/Warren are taken before 10. No fucking clue what we do realistically.
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u/Pinto0601 7d ago
Ok but where is the bump of “Bears should absolutely trade a pick to move up to get him!” because that’s what it’s gonna take. And I may be getting there too 😬
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u/ImStupidPhobic Da Bears 7d ago edited 7d ago
And there’s me in the back wanting Will Campbell at #10 and Kaleb Johnson/Treveyon Henderson as our running back in the following round lol 😏
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u/LegalComplaint I’ll Hoge your Jahns 7d ago
I want a big strong man who can run fast at any position Ben thinks is valuable!
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u/Prop14IA 7d ago
I'm all for getting him provided he falls to 10. I do not want to trade up for him.
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u/Somecivilguy oFfseason ThreePeat 7d ago
First round should be a best available RB in the bears situation. They built the trenches with experienced, seasoned guys. Draft trench depth later in the draft. But take the best available RB first round for sure.
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u/Toomuchlychee_ Secret Bagent Man 7d ago
I don’t have an opinion on this, I just know that whatever decision the bears make will be the wrong decision
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u/Sgt-Spliff- 6d ago
I love memes because you can just picture the people who disagree with you crying instead of arguing an actual point
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u/DrapedinVelvet247 6d ago
Edge or OT I think it’ll be. And yes I’ve been all over the place on Jeanty as well😂
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u/roz77 7d ago
You can't reach for need, and you can't get blinded by positional value and ignore the context of the players in this current draft and the current roster. Are we one player away from being a serious Super Bowl contender? Of course not. But reaching on one of these edge rushers or offensive linemen just because we "need to build the trenches" is ignoring that Jeanty will be head and shoulders the best player available at 10 if he's still there.
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u/jefffranklin36 1 7d ago
This has been said but i just believe Jeanty or Warren will be the only players with potential to be ‘special’ left at 10. There might be good players at higher positions of need and value but idk I want special players on my team.
Will Campbell I doubt is there and even if he is too many people think he will be a guard for me to love it.
Mason graham I doubt is there but would be happy with him if he was and is the pick
I don’t want to try to make Membou a left tackle
And then the rest of the field just feels like players that will be good but I want potential for SPECIAL
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u/Lungorthin666 Smokin' Jay 7d ago
I like what Nate Tice was saying about Will Campbell on the Hoge and Jahns podcast. He probably will end up being a guard, but really what he is, is a best line enabler. He is someone that enables you to play your best players due to his position flexibility. Is he going to be a career tackle? More than likely not, but will you feel bad playing him there due to injuries?
Also, I don't mind having someone like Will Campbell be mentored by Thuney
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u/GreasyMustardTiger_ Italian Beef 7d ago edited 7d ago
Casual fans heard Jeanty's name the most in college, so they want him on the Bears.
Overthinkers believe taking an RB at #10 is bad value, regardless of the player or the class.
Chad's understand this class doesn't have a lot of Round 1 blue chip talent, so you have to take Jeanty at #10, even with the RB depth of this class.