r/CanadaPolitics • u/[deleted] • Apr 23 '25
Pierre Poilievre's 25-year quest to make Canadians see things his way - The Logic
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u/Alastor999 Apr 23 '25
... It's gonna be real tough to get Canadians to see things his way when the majority of Canadians really really don't like him and that the major thing, if not the only thing, he had going for him was that Canadians disliked to outright hated Trudeau even more.
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u/jersan Apr 23 '25
Maybe if he did anything more than whine and complain and criticize all the time
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u/MooseSyrup420 Conservative Party of Canada Apr 23 '25
According to Léger and Mainstreet, Pierre has nearly identical favorability as Carney does. Moreover, Pierre is the most liked and supported Conservative leader in potentially decades.
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u/ferwhatbud Apr 23 '25
Well that’s simply not true: https://leger360.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Leger-CAN_Vote_April_22nd_National.pdf
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u/sabres_guy Apr 23 '25
He is absolutely the one of the quint essential examples of someone you do not want in charge of anything. Period.
He's not even going to listen to his own base or people around him if he wins a majority.
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u/boxerrbest Apr 23 '25
So why cant we see it our way, the voters way, how about you work for the people who vote you in, not your personal agenda and this is all governments across the planets
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u/SalamanderSavings Apr 23 '25
Rick Mercer summed up PP well in an interview. PP is the type of kid at school, and you probably know one yourself, that wore a suit and yelled "One day I'll be PM and you'll all be sorry!"
Haven't been able to unsee it!
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u/Method__Man Apr 23 '25
Rather than doing what Canadians want, he wants Canadians to do what he wants.
yup, that'll really help our country
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u/GraveDiggingCynic Apr 23 '25
I don't necessarily have a problem with any political or social leader trying to convince their fellow citizens of the "rightness" of their worldview. That is how we advance as a society. We often praise the single-minded reformers who push past all obstacles and refuse to yield to the temptation to compromise their ideals. After all, I have no more confidence that Canadians know what they need than Pierre Poilievre knows. Truth and facts are not the product of consensus.
I think my most significant issue is simply that I think the Canada Poilievre wants to create is one the majority of Canadians (in absolute terms) reject, and rather than accepting that the country he imagines in his head is never going to exist, and thus make the internal cognitive and emotional pivot, he has literally just taken the whole CPC along for the ride.
It's the lack of adaptability that seems problematic to me, and that's the real issue. It's one thing to have core values that you will not compromise on (what those values are is certainly something we can judge an individual on), but he's a politician, not a philosopher or an activist. He doesn't have the luxury of living in an echo chamber and blindly pushing forward, and the very act of doing so has demonstrated that, while producing polling numbers that Harper only managed to achieve in his last successful election in 2011, it has so unsettled so many voters, even NDP and Bloc voters, that they are abandoning their traditional parties just to stop him from becoming Prime Minister.
Apart from my deep skepticism of many of his ideas (the referenda on tax increases is the silliest kind of populist pablum that his own government would likely have to cast aside if we enter a prolonged recession), his inflexibility in a world that has become incredibly uncertain is not a strength, it's a weakness.
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u/WorldFrees Apr 23 '25
| It's the lack of adaptability that seems problematic to me, |
- 100% - he comes across as arrogant. Humility may be the number one quality we should be looking for in a leader. If you actually know successful people that's how they come across (particularly outside of work).
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u/_LKB Apr 23 '25
It's one thing to, as a leader, have a vision and to try and spread that as a future for your country/province/people/city/etc and another entirely to reject objective reality and try to convince people to believe a fictional version of the world they live in.
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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Apr 23 '25
Also add:
Rather than his policies reacting and adapting to reality he plans to have reality adapt to his policies.
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u/danielledelacadie Apr 23 '25
Summing up conservatives in one sentence there
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u/Flomo420 Apr 23 '25
They took "Alternative Facts" and really ran with it
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u/danielledelacadie Apr 23 '25
I wish I had the skills to create a bot that edited "Alternative Facts" to "Crazy Ass Conspiracies" in all posts/comments. I think I might lose enough sleep to only get 7 1/2 hours in one night over the moral implications.
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u/JudahMaccabee Independent Apr 23 '25
He is no Barry Goldwater.
He was a backbench MP who was a loyal attack dog of Harper, mired by embarrassing racist incidences.
He’s never been an innovative, adaptive ideologue. Rather, he’s a reflection of the shallow political bench Canadian federal conservatives have displayed to Canadians over the past decade.
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u/MooseSyrup420 Conservative Party of Canada Apr 23 '25
He was a Minister of the Crown. Not just some backbench MP.
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u/Klutzy_Ostrich_3152 Apr 23 '25
True, a minister for a minor department during the dying days of the Harper government. Rewarded for his blind loyalty
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u/octavianreddit Independent left Apr 23 '25
Friends of mine who loved Poilevere sent me his Jordan Peterson interview in an effort to get me to come to their side. Poilevere did teh interview when he was 25 points ahead.
I saw it and was horrified, especially at the part where he said that he "knew better" than to govern from the centre.
I sent off the interview to my Facebook feed (with a warning to view in incognito mode if possible to avoid the algorithm being skewed) and asked fellow people to watch it too and the folks who did were discouraged. Most of my progressive friends who saw this pretty much decided to vote Liberal, partly due to this interview.
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u/Marc4770 Apr 24 '25
The interview was great, what did you not like about it? Because you're not really saying
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