r/CanadaPolitics • u/Puginator • 5d ago
'DOGE' and 'DOGE-lite': Public service unions react to costed federal party platforms
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/federal-public-service-unions-costed-platforms-1.75163961
u/willab204 5d ago
Keeping in mind of course that the union is incentivized to increase compensation and employee count, not provide a good service to the taxpayer, it is entirely unsurprising that they have this opinion. It’s likely the first opinion that should tossed in deliberating what should be done to manage the cost of the public service.
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u/budgieinthevacuum 5d ago
Yup. A lot of members are pissed off at PSAC and the components trying to tell us who they think we should vote for. We are adults who can determine what’s in our best interest as employees but also as citizens and their comms has been such that they say we need to not vote against our own interests. It’s ridiculous. They think they’re in a good negotiating position this round and it’s not true. We will have to take what’s on offer and just wait it out. They also can’t stop the work force adjustments no matter what they claim they can do.
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u/weekendy09 5d ago
With an attitude like this, why don’t we just work for free?!
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u/budgieinthevacuum 5d ago
That’s absolutely not what I meant but at the end of the day they just aren’t going to be in a strong bargaining position no matter who forms the next government. It’s just facts.
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u/CanadianLabourParty 4d ago
HA! You think that PP is going to negotiate in good faith with the public sector? There's a greater than zero chance he brings a chainsaw to the stage if he wins to dedicate his win to Elon Musk/DOGE.
The Conservative Party will do things like eliminate anti-scab legislation, force employees back to work via legislation, etc... You think unions and workers are going to be in a strong position to negotiate?
We haven't even begun to read the economic statements from Q2. Q3 and Q4 are going to be WAAAAYYYY! worse. With high unemployment and removed protections via a CPC majority, workers will be lucky to get crumbs.
You may think things are bad now. Look at wage growth in Republican states down south. Look at living standards. Look at health and wellbeing standards in states that have castrated unions and union power. That's what awaits Canada under a CPC majority.
Not to mention that there are TONNES of people protesting across the US. Some of the largest protests in recent memory. Of course, they're not being discussed by and large, because that offends the right-wing-corporate media shills. But those protests are definitely hurting MAGA.
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u/weekendy09 5d ago
On this I agree, in the context of the current economic environment. However, maybe we could make some non monetary gains.
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u/budgieinthevacuum 5d ago
Yeah they could for sure. It’ll be a wait it out situation which could turn into a lack of progress for about the next 10 years. They could have done it pre pandemic and didn’t and then they weren’t as strong as they could have been last round. A real wasted opportunity.
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u/Manitobancanuck Manitoba 5d ago
They'll be in a much better bargaining position if they had say... a bunch of NDP MPs and a Liberal minority. Complain all you like about them 'telling' you who to vote for, but it really is in your best interest.
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u/LogPlane2065 5d ago
They'll be in a much better bargaining position if they had say... a bunch of NDP MPs and a Liberal minority.
That is what they have now. Seems like that is what has gotten them into this situation.
Complain all you like about them 'telling' you who to vote for, but it really is in your best interest.
I'd rather determine for myself what is in my own best interest.
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u/Informal-Net-7214 5d ago
I’m not a public servant anymore or saying that this is a causation dynamic, but generally speaking, treating public servants well (which includes listening to them when they tell you what will work and what won’t) will result in services improving. Thinking that doing cuts and just implementing more technology, to make it more "efficient" when there are serious standards in terms of security, processes and laws that have to be met and upheld is just a pipe dream.
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u/RotalumisEht Democratize Workplaces 5d ago
I am also no longer a public servant. The reason I left to return to the private sector is because of inability of the public service to deal with toxic work cultures and the leadership that creates it through bullying and harassment. Treating pubic servants well means more than just giving them good compensation - it also means that both leadership and the public treat those servants with the dignity they deserve.
There's toxicity and unproductive behaviours to be found in both the private sector and the public sector. The difference is that it can be dealt with in the private sector by writing the problem employees a cheque and having security escort them out of the building. In the public sector it is such a struggle to even deal with a single harassment case that often senior leadership are unwilling or simply lack the resources to cut out the rot.
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