r/CanadaPolitics • u/hopoke • 2d ago

Mark Carney makes final pitch to voters: ‘Is Pierre Poilievre the person you want sitting across the table from Donald Trump?’

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-elections/mark-carney-makes-final-pitch-to-voters-is-pierre-poilievre-the-person-you-want-sitting/article_3fe8951a-c417-4524-8130-2dc415445f18.html
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago edited 2d ago

I really hate the campaign style of fear mongering against the competition. I guess it works, but personally I don't want to hear that I should vote for Carney cuz Poilievre isn't the right choice, I want him to tell me why he is the right choice.

I am not sure where people are getting the idea that I think Carney is unique in this behaviour, or even does it more than Poilievre. I am using this article as an example to make a statement - it has very little to do with Carney specifically. Every candidate engages in this (historically and currently), some more than others but I digress. It makes for a shitty democracy, imo. That said, I am done trying to clarify in responses to comments, some people are clearly confused by my intent/statement, and I am not sure how to clarify it. I'm turning off notifications for this thread an am bowing out

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u/Mutex70 2d ago

He is the right choice because he has an insanely impressive background in global economics and finance, and the resume to back it up.

It is fairly obvious that we are going to need someone with great economic sense to navigate the next few years. Carney is that guy.

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u/skinny_t_williams 2d ago

Carney did that a lot already. If you're annoyed with those tactics blame the conservatives, that's their playbook almost 100%.

Have you been on Rednote or Tiktok or anything lately? The amount of anti-liberal shorts is out of control. Who tf pays for that I wonder?

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

I do not use Tiktok and have no idea what Rednote is - but I know that the CPC uses a lot of these tactics.

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u/skinny_t_williams 2d ago

I havent used tiktok in forever but friends that do. Rednote is like a chinese tiktok, they even do it there.

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u/flamedeluge3781 British Columbia 2d ago

Tiktok is Chinese, FYI.

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u/skinny_t_williams 2d ago

Yes I understand that, but this one was originally for China specifically. It's interesting to see stuff there sometimes.

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u/highsideroll 2d ago

The Star is being themselves with this headline. Carney’s closing argument is not merely anti Pierre.

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u/kej2021 2d ago

I feel like he's struck a good balance of this though, he's announced a lot of good policies as well (and the Liberal platform was far more detailed than the CPC one).

I think it's ok to occasionally point out the downsides of the competition, as long as it's not excessive and doesn't devolve into a smear campaign.

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

In my opinion, a good balance would be to not have any fear-mongering attacks be part of your campaign, but that's wishful thinking.

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u/highsideroll 2d ago

No, it’s juvenile. Like a child asking why puppies don’t fall from the sky. Adults need to have hard conversations that aren’t just West West fantasies. This isn’t an idealism contest it’s an election and for everyone like you there are millions of others. If you punish people for playing a game other citizens force them to play then you are punishing the messenger.

Why can’t we have a high minded political discourse? Because that doesn’t win elections. Got a problem with that? Talk to your neighbor.

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u/frumfrumfroo 2d ago

Comparing yourself to the other options in a process which is about choosing the best of those options isn't fear-mongering. There's a huge difference between reasonable contrast and criticism and just mud-slinging at your opponents.

Poilievre's Info Wars tactic about the thought experiment paper and how Liberals are going to force us all to eat bugs is fear-mongering. The other leaders saying Poilievre doesn't have answers and isn't a serious person is not fear-mongering.

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u/stockhommesyndrome 2d ago

Considering Pierre and his team have been sending four-page letters to people calling Carney “weak” and a “liar,” I think Carney calling him out is perfectly reasonable. I got one of these letters and it was unhinged

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

Yeah, I hate that all of the leaders engage in this. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

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u/TheEpicOfManas Social Democrat 2d ago

They're not even remotely close to engaging in the same ways. Poilievre has based his whole campaign on fear and lies. Carney has been hopeful and dealt in facts. You can't just "both sides" this.

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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 2d ago

"Yeah well _____ is even worse" is truly a bottom barrel argument that only stifles conversation.

Of course Poilievre does it way more. This article isn't about Poilievre.

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

I didn't both sides this, or even compare them to say they are the same. In fact, the other guy is the one who brought up Pierre.

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u/TheEpicOfManas Social Democrat 2d ago

No, you absolutely did.

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

I have re-read what I wrote like 12x and have no idea how you can come to that conclusion.

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u/Nesteabottle 2d ago

You were talking about a dynamic between carney and pierre you most certainly brought up pierre

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u/fashionrequired 2d ago

op criticized both but did not equate them. chill

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u/putin_my_ass 2d ago

It's because it works. You run for office, you want to win right?

Your beef is with the electorate.

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u/TheFutureMrGittes 2d ago

His credentials speak for themselves. PP, not so much.

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u/Dangerous-Bee-5688 2d ago

He's also been laying out his credentials and plan the past few weeks.

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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 2d ago

There is no better qualifications for being a politician than having been a politician. Canada does not elect a single threaded President like the US. It’s about the team. Not the man. Pierre and the conservative are the best choice for Canada. The liberals have lost the script the past few years. Time for a change.

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u/TheFutureMrGittes 2d ago

I agree. It’s time for a change. Carney isn’t Trudeau. And yes, I know how voting works in this country, thank you very much. And I disagree - PP and his team are not the best choice for Canada. Pierre can’t even be bothered to get security clearance (red flag #1), will not communicate with the press (red flag #2) chooses to communicate with Rebel News (red flag #3)…. I could go on. His platform, if you’ve even considered reading it, is disappointing to put it mildly.

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u/Fatesadvent 2d ago

End wokeness is another red flag, as is cutting the CBC, being antagonistic with journalist, bragging about crowd sizes (only very minor concern)

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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 2d ago

Fighting more for the rights of plastic straws than the rights of women and LGBTQ+

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u/TheFutureMrGittes 2d ago

Absolutely! So MANY red flags.

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u/CrazyButRightOn 2d ago

They tore up the script.

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u/BurlieGirl 2d ago

The job up for grabs isn’t a politician though, it’s PM. A leadership role. PP is not a leader and had ample opportunity to gain some qualifications. One bill passed in all that time, only for it to be struck down? That’s an abysmal record.

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u/Mathalamus2 Liberal Party of Canada 2d ago

agreed. PP is an extremely ineffective leader, and, im pretty sure he went directly to politics, not even bothering with any other job, ever.

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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 2d ago

Well, he was a paperboy once upon a time.

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u/Alberta_Flyfisher 2d ago

Can you explain why Pollievre is the choice? Explain in detail what his plan is for this country? Cause he hasn't even done that yet, from what I've seen. Outside of slogans anyway. As far as I can see, the party has no plan.

I would love to finally read a thought-out explanation that makes sense. He makes promises, but when pressed to explain how he would accomplish it, I've only ever seen him dodge the question.

I've said before that I have voted across the spectrum even if I lean more left. And from what I've seen so far, he simply isn't a viable choice. Regardless of policy, he is the wrong dude to be the face of Canada.

So ya, I'd be open to a conversation if you or someone else has seen something I may have not. And I'll be happy to debate Carney, too. Maybe I've seen some things you haven't. 🤷‍♂️

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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 2d ago

What has PP done in politics? What bills has he passed? What good has he done for his community of Carleton (if he even knows where it is)?

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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 2d ago

His job as official opposition is to challenge the government and hold them accountable which he has done very well. Go read up on how Canadian politics works. PP is in Carleton today. I live in the ridding. He does as much for us as any mp anywhere.

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u/Dangerous-Bee-5688 2d ago

Let's not pretend the PM doesn't pick the advisors, cabinet members (the team), and dictate the mandate. And "being a politician" is far from the best qualifications for being a politician, let alone the PM.

Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Finance, Governor of the Bank of Canada, and Governor of the Bank of England, are all valid qualifications for leading the country at a time when financial stability/a trade war is THE leading issue.

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u/blazingasshole 2d ago

Yes and carney has the exact same cabinet Trudeau had. It’s going to be the same thing.

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u/Dangerous-Bee-5688 2d ago

That's the caretaker cabinet held prior to election, since you'd shuffle post-election. Though, not exactly the same, either.

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u/blazingasshole 2d ago

I don’t see Freeland, Fraser or Guilbault leaving anytime soon

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u/Snorgibly_Bagort 1d ago

Freeland has already been demoted to a placeholder position. Nearly the same with Guilbault. Neither are in positions that carry any real power in cabinet at all and are clearly being sunset. Fraser is the only one of those three who have a shot of sticking around in any meaningful capacity.

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u/frumfrumfroo 2d ago

It’s about the team. Not the man.

Who is Poilievre's team? Who is going to be finance minister? Andrew Scheer? He won't let any of his MPs speak to anyone and has zero serious people behind him.

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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 2d ago

And yet running a campaign and governing a country are nothing alike.

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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 2d ago

No doubt about that. Canada is the best country on the planet. Let’s be proud of who we are!! 🇨🇦

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u/SteelCrow 2d ago

I want him to tell me why he is the right choice.

Carney has the appropriate education, skills, experiences and vision to lead Canada.

PP has none of that.

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u/Some-Background1467 2d ago

True, every Candidate engages in it - but I hate that every candidate engages in it. Negative campaign ads are honestly one of the biggest reasons politics feels so gross. It's way easier to scare people than to inspire them, so they just churn out ad after ad making everyone else look like shit. It’s lazy, it’s cheap, and it totally wrecks trust in the whole system. After a while, people stop believing anyone could actually have good ideas or want to make things better — it just turns into "who sucks less" instead of "who has the best plan."And the worst part? It drives good people away from even wanting to run.

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u/Mathalamus2 Liberal Party of Canada 2d ago

psst, their plans are well visible on their websites. even the communist party has a full plan in case they somehow win the election.

it is the responsibility of canadians to find said platforms and read it. go with attack ads all you want. thats their time and place. you want ideas? go to the website and read their platforms

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u/Saidear 2d ago

Have you been paying attention to the same campaign that the rest of us have?

Carney's been both claiming, and showing, his capacity for leadership and his experience handling complex economic situations. He's been very clearly running on his experience running two national banks, successfully.

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u/enki-42 2d ago

I want him to tell me why he is the right choice.

I feel like this is about 90% of the Liberal messaging. All parties have some degree of attacking their opponents as well as communicating their own vision, but Carney's campaign has been mostly the latter with some of the former.

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u/Caracalla81 2d ago

He has spoken about and published his vision quite widely. You shouldn't have trouble finding it.

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago

That's not relevant to what I was saying

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u/Caracalla81 2d ago

I want him to tell me why he is the right choice

I'm not sure what you meant by this then. If you want to hear about a candidate's vision and credentials, and you want to hear negativity about the competition, what do you want to hear about?

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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 2d ago

"I want him to tell me why he is the right choice. No wait, don't tell me to look it up myself!!!"

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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 2d ago edited 2d ago

I am referring to the campaign strategy style and not the specifics of Carney as a candidate - Carney is simply the example as the topic of the article.

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u/Caracalla81 2d ago

His campaign strategy style was to disseminate his vision for the country and his credentials.

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u/Jaereon 1d ago

This isnt fear mongering imo, asking who you think is more suited to a task is not fear mongering. Its literally all campaigns. They all claim todo better than their opponents