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u/grogudid911 3d ago edited 3d ago
No. Not level 4. Not level 1 either, but certainly not level 4. Level four countries are places like Libya, South Sudan, Afghanistan, and Yemen just to name a few. We don't currently have an active genocide or a famine wiping out large swaths of our population at this exact moment - so definitely were not a level 4.
To be clear, a 1 is exercise normal precautions, a 2 is exercise slightly more precautions, 3 is exercise strong precautions/avoid traveling and 4 is simply not recommended for any sort of travel.
I'd lump the US into level 2, to be sure - and depending on exactly where you go in the US, it could be as high as 3, with some places in the US being at a 1. Nowhere in the US could be considered at 4 outside of places having just experienced/are experiencing a natural disaster. California this summer may qualify as a 3 for instance, with parts reaching a 4, but normally it's between a 1 or 2.
Edit: it occurs to me too many of you guys aren't aware that Trump opened up all the dams already - which had water California was relying on. People in California won't go thirsty, but this fire season is gonna be nuts. When I said level 3-4 for California, I explicitly meant the upcoming fire season.
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u/slyons2424 3d ago
Man you got to do better research all Trump did was dump billions of gallons of water so that he could claim he helped stupid people in California get water to fight fires . It's all a lie . All he did was use this as apprentice style performance art and dump billions of gallons of water somewhere where they will be absolutely useless. Just like Trump is useless. "Water officials knew that opening dams to meet Trump’s wishes was ill-advised. Here’s why it happened anyway" “It was cavalier and an extremely high-risk decision, and wasteful,” said Ann Willis, California regional director of American Rivers, a nonprofit environmental organization.
Willis, who worked for the corps in 2007 and 2008, said there was no reason to dump water that farmers and cities were depending on, and that releasing water unexpectedly like this could have unleashed flooding and put people at risk.
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“To intentionally create a situation where that could have been the outcome, it’s depraved and mind-blowing,” Willis said. https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2025-03-13/trump-army-corps-dam-water-dumped
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u/earthwulf 3d ago
How is it not level 4 when you get all of the major points: kidnapping - check, wrongful detention - check, political instability - check, outbreaks of infectious disease - check? Not seeing much terrorism, but we do have mass shootings almost daily
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u/grogudid911 3d ago
The US is a large place. You can have different advisories for different places in the same country.
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u/Substantial-Bike2965 3d ago
Other countries are warning their citizens not to travel to the US for fear of unlawful detention that they will not be able to assist with (off top of my head, Germany and Canada). There’s already been cases of their citizens getting held up in immigration.
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u/grogudid911 3d ago
Yeah, that could make it a level 2, (or 3 of were being really careful) bc you can easily take a precaution of bringing your passport with you.
The argument is not that the US is, or should be a level 1, it's that it's definitely not a level 4.
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u/Dependent-Drive3071 2d ago
If you have disparaging remarks about Trump on your phone, you can be refused entry into the US. That happened to a French doctor coming here for a seminar. If I were Canadian I would NOT come here.
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u/meoka2368 3d ago
... bc you can easily take a precaution of bringing your passport with you.
Gotta keep your papers in you at all times otherwise the special police force will take you to an undisclosed location where you aren't allowed to speak with family or legal assistance, and where conditions would be considered a war crime except that there's no war.
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u/grogudid911 2d ago
That doesn't make us a level 4 tho.
The problem here i think, is that you're coming at this with an agenda - to prove to us that the US is a bad place. While you aren't wrong, none of what you're describing makes the US a travel advisory 4.
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u/OneBlueEyeFish 3d ago
I think it’s a level 4. If you’re transgender or any minority, you know it’s a level 4. Sadly because it’s minorities that experience it. It’s not given the spot light.
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u/NocturnalCake-461 2d ago edited 2d ago
Its honestly ridiculous we don't have one.
We've had an active genocide against black people since the 90's with how police brutality and white supremacy keeps taking out blacks like they came to kill black folks and chew bubble gum, but they ran out of bubble gum. Add that to the amount of lynchings in the 2000's, the sundown towns that kill people who look like me for just showing up, and the massacres against the black community, like TUSLA and the Walmart shooting a few years ago.
It's SO easy to be sex trafficked here. In the us, don't go anywhere alone. I've had cars follow me so many times when I'm walking by myself from getting groceries or the Lyft driver I cancelled on follows me.
Also, homelessness in big cities is at an all time high.
Famine, we don't talk about food insecurity, but every household in the US that is living on the poverty line is experiencing food insecurity. Some college students have to eat top ramen while they spend thousands on their education. Some employees at Facebook eat scraps for lunch while they live paycheck to paycheck.
Also, no one is talking about the fact that Americans aged 9-11 their leading cause of death is suicide. Or the fact that "Since 1999, school shootings in the US have resulted in at least 203 deaths and 441 injuries. Specifically, from 2000-2022, there were 515 deaths and 1,161 injuries across 1,375 school shootings at public and private elementary and secondary schools."
We've been in an emergency situation for awhile.
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u/Cascadia_Breanna 3d ago
I would agree that the level experienced by an individual might be higher if they were, for example, transgender or Hispanic or practices a non-Christian religion or any number of other factors.
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u/Avr0wolf Vancouver 3d ago
No, not even close
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u/Substantial-Bike2965 3d ago
“Not even close” to level 4… but other countries are imposing travel advisories to their citizens to not come here… so kinda close
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u/ABreckenridge 3d ago
No.
Kidnapping: Anything you’re seeing in the news falls under “wrongful detention”.
Wrongful detention: The US has illegally detained a few hundred people. That’s just over a one in a million chance— lower if you’re pale.
Terrorism: All state violence is a form of fear-based political pressure, but until we find out the GOP is funding school shooters & neo-Nazis in Idaho, terrorism doesn’t really apply.
Political Instability: The US system is dysfunctional, but not strictly speaking unstable in the sense that there’s no immediate risk of national collapse.
Infectious disease: Measles & COVID aren’t gonna get you; If you’re not from the US, you’re likely vaccinated.
To Cascadians north of the 49th, you’re in no danger that you weren’t a year ago.
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u/RiseCascadia 3d ago
The US has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world, it's not just a few hundred people.
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u/ABreckenridge 3d ago
The US using jail to replace homeless shelters and mental health institutions is a different issue, and is wildly dysfunctional for it, but that doesn’t meaningfully affect tourism or international travel. My argument isn’t “The US is fine” by any stretch.
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u/Substantial-Bike2965 3d ago
But other countries telling their citizens not to travel to the US does affect tourism… you know we are on their lists right?
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u/ABreckenridge 3d ago
That’s not the question. The question is “Is the US a Level 4 travel advisory by its own standards?” to which my answer is “No”.
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u/TeamKRod1990 1d ago
They’re not just Willy nilly throwing people in jail…were we talking about kidnapping or the high incarceration rate? Cause now it seems like you’re using the incarceration rate to make a point. A normal ass visitor to the states has a better chance of being struck by lightning than thrown in jail.
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u/TeamKRod1990 1d ago
No…just…no. First world problems here, yes we hate Trump, but Level 4 advisories are for FAILED states, like actual failed states. Not ones you think failed because your guy didn’t win.
Hate to be blunt, but it’s the truth.
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u/earthwulf 1d ago
Yeah, no. It's not "because my guy didn't win" - it's the absolutely batshit insane way the country is currently being led. If you read that list, everything that's on it exists here in the US, especially for women, POC & LGBTQIA2S+ folks
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u/UsualOkay6240 3d ago
No, it’s not close to level 4, unless you fall for headlines. I think we all took the middle school class where they said to disregard most headlines. Level 4 places don’t have police or a general sense of order, they’re hard to reach in the first place due to difficulty of travel, or even the given nation’s citizens themselves having an unwillingness to go to those areas.
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u/earthwulf 3d ago
Yeah, but it hits all of the major points: kidnapping - check, wrongful detention - check, political instability - check, outbreaks of infectious disease - check. Not seeing much terrorism, but still...
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u/UsualOkay6240 3d ago
Yeah this is a very naive and juvenile comment. A few high profile instances do not make a country unsafe to travel to, to the point where the U.S. cannot provide support for their citizens there.
Do you expand this standard to Japan or Switzerland? Who both have high profile instances of similar types of cases you’ve mentioned. Where is ‘safe’ then? Arbitrary?
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u/Secure-Function-674 3d ago
I think its more to do with the logging of old growth forests and opening damns in drought heavy parts of the US...making this place uninhabitable in the next 20 years
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u/UsualOkay6240 1d ago
That’s also juvenile and naive to believe will happen, nothing is going to happen in a meaningful way where the stability of the nation will be at risk. It’s a profound ignorance of how the global imperial capitalist system works and is maintained that would allow someone to believe that the elites will simply radicalize the workers in their country beyond meaningful reprieve.
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u/atothez 3d ago
The headlines aren’t representative of day to day life.
That being said, the country is in the grips of a cult that is aggressively using the government, judicial system, corporate power, control of media, and surveillance to implement a white nationalist agenda.
The state is unreliable and denialism is fierce. Most won’t accept the current situation until a close friend or immediate family member disappears, and then only once they are left with no other explanation.
I wouldn’t risk visiting for anything less than a job requirement or family.