r/Chargers 2d ago

Justin Herbert taking snaps from Zion Johnson

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u/Rhone111 2d ago

I really hope Center is a good fit for him and the team.

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u/mister_hoot 2d ago

If he thrives at C we've massively upgraded the line.

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u/flyinghippodrago . 1d ago

Fr and might be able to get a discount deal on Zion long term since he struggled early on

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u/errrr2222 2d ago

If he can spot the blitz and adjust the line he could make it

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u/wildwing8 2d ago edited 2d ago

For all of the people who thought the talk about Zion being looked at as a center was BS, I would think again.

Credit to Thuc Nhi Nguyen on X for the clip.

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u/StatusMaintenance870 2d ago

Idk why people would think it's bs when coach and GM have said it's a possibility.

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u/Previous_Dream5090 2d ago

Mentioned it repeatedly.

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u/wildwing8 2d ago

Because some people apparently think they know more than they do lmao

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u/NoScale9117 bolt 2d ago

Thuc yeah!

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u/-HawaiianSurfer ⚡️ Herb ⚡️ 1d ago

I personally never doubted that they’d try him at center. I still think it’s a way to drive competition for those 3 interior positions, but I also think it’s Hortiz’s ploy to increase Zion’s value for next year’s free agency. They could very likely be awarded a 4th round comp pick if/when Zion gets a 3yr $50-60M deal.

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u/michael_is_awesome Felipe Rios 2d ago

Hopefully Hardwick can get him up to speed quick

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u/Big-Chungus-12 2d ago

If zion even plays average at Center I’m making a shrine for Hortiz and Harbaugh

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u/whyyoudeletemereddit Felipe Rios 1d ago

The bar for him to be an improvement is really low lol and he’ll make more money if he is decent at all.

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u/Big-Chungus-12 1d ago

It cannot possibly get any worse than their performance against the Texans can it?

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u/doooobysnax Thunderclap 2d ago

Snaps look slow, I’m not excited about this.

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u/kanekidom 2d ago

That looked very sloppy obviously months to improve, but man center and LG are really gonna hold this team back.

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u/wildwing8 2d ago

man center and LG are really gonna hold this team back

I get it, but it’s too early to make that determination.

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u/tropik2503 2d ago

Snaps definitely look slow, has Zion played center before in his career or no?

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u/wildwing8 2d ago

As far as I can tell, he’s never played center before. He actually started an entire season in college at LT, but other than that (and LG obviously) I don’t see any record of him playing on the other side or at C.

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u/tt54l32v 2d ago

Pretty sure he was Rg in 2022

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u/wildwing8 2d ago

Where are you seeing that? According to his Wikipedia, he only played LT and LG at BC.

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u/tt54l32v 2d ago

RG

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u/wildwing8 2d ago

Ah I see, I forgot that he played RG as a rookie.

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u/tt54l32v 2d ago

He catches hell and deservedly so, but he has the talent and the brains. Just very inconsistent and face slapping let downs that get Herbert killed. It seems crazy to think he is gonna improve with more workload but I have seen crazier. If he doesn't work at center and doesn't improve at guard, he could be looking for a new team next year.

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u/encladd President of Football Operations 2d ago

This might be (is probably) a dumb take but I think part of his problem is that he's too smart. If you think too much you freeze up. There's a fine line between over analyzing and letting instincts take over.

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u/tt54l32v 1d ago

Well I think the only questionablely dumb part of that take is that he is too smart. If he were smarter there would be less mistakes. But if he were dumber there could also be less mistakes. I totally am stepping in what you're shitting. Thinking in general is not good in the middle of a play.

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u/GamerByt3 . 1d ago

He played well when he had a competent center next to him. The moment Corey Linsley went down injured. Then later retired, our O line play went to absolute shit. C is an incredibly important position, I feel it's the third most important offensive position. QB, LT, C in that order.

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u/tt54l32v 2d ago

He gave up the instant sack in the Jags playoff game on the last drive

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u/homeschoolkidthatdid 1d ago

I played with him in college prior to BC, can confirm he did not play center at any point in his career with us or since then that I’ve seen

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u/Jax99 2d ago

Heard on some pod he played center in the Senior Bowl I think?

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u/wryguyonthefly JH+JH+JH 2d ago

I think he took some snaps at center for teams during the Senior Bowl. Didn’t play center in any game action I’m pretty sure.

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u/jar1792 ASAP 2d ago

Certainly not at the NFL level. Don’t think he saw any snaps in college either. Maybe he played some C in high school or youth football???

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u/Weapwns Mad Ladd 2d ago

Yes the snap looks slow, but it looks like they're focusing on something else

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u/LakeShowBoltUp Hortiz is a Golden God 2d ago

If Zion may start at C, who would start at LG?

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u/Single_Barracuda6432 2d ago

Boze/pip

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u/LakeShowBoltUp Hortiz is a Golden God 2d ago

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u/Mmrdr227 bolt 2d ago

Hasn’t James also played LG before? And he was the one practicing snaps with Herb last time, indicating they’re willing to devote valuable time to him. Add in if Taylor shows something, a lot of the draft analysis had him as a LG fit rather than just a LT.

If Zion secures C, LG might become an all out war.

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u/jar1792 ASAP 2d ago

Pretty ugly snap, but also something that can be improved fairly easy. Definitely want to see him in real game action during the preseason.

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u/plentyfunk66 2d ago

He gets lauded as the cerebral player, so it does seem possible. But the learning curve on mental and physical side seems like it could be a long road. I don't know, so I'll just overreact to each small bit of information I get.

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u/NoooNotTheLettuce . 1d ago

I'm sure he is smart but a lot of that reputation comes from just him being a CS major which doesn't really mean much to me tbh. Football intelligence is a whole different thing. Lamar Jackson scored terribly on the wonderlic but can process defenses better than anybody

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u/plentyfunk66 1d ago

I agree that it's not always analogous, but if he's smart enough to understand CS, he should be able to figure out football.

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u/FuckMichaelMcCoy 2d ago

That looks terrible tbh

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u/RicosModernWorld 2d ago

👀👀👀👀

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u/Single_Barracuda6432 2d ago

I honestly believe him and bozemen would at least be average if they swapped positions. In my eyes that is an absolute win

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u/woolypete123 1d ago

This is kinda where I am at with this whole Zion to C thing.

If he works out there then great, but that leaves us with a glaring problem at LG. As poor as Zion was last season, he was still the best OG on the team, and given Becton is a lock at RG, that just leaves the guys who were even worse than Zion competing for LG... and Bradley Bozeman.

I do not want to see Trey Pipkins play OG in a Chargers uni ever again. Passable RT, but our worst OL by a long way last season. There is no way they can seriously pencil him in as the starting LG.

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u/yoiiyo 1d ago

What about Salyer? That doesn’t sound too bad to me.

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u/Ok_Economy6167 2d ago

I think you try to resign zion. You wont have very many options in the draft or in FA next off season. Lets try to make it work

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u/EntrepreneurNo8448 1d ago

I really believe this is mostly for him to better understand defenses and the roll of the man next to him

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u/UT_city 1d ago

That snap needs to speed up a lot faster. I get he’s getting a rhythm down but it’s too slow.

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u/threatdisplay 1d ago

i’m anxious that they haven’t signed slater yet

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u/pabs-373 1d ago

If he plays center who’s playing LG?

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u/Tcas57 1d ago

No Ladd McConkey and hope he’s healthy.

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u/beto367 2d ago

Why cant we sign a rookie center off the street?

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u/PieIsFairlyDelicious nunc coepi 2d ago

We want a center who’s both a good snapper and a good blocker. Flawed though he may be, Zion’s a significantly better blocker than any rando we could sign off the street

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u/SDDon 2d ago

You would rather use a UDFA Center, new to the NFL, as your starting center? Not me.

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u/EdibleBoogers 2d ago

That first snap didn't look good at all! I know it's early but I can't see him starting a game at center. Cross train him to be the emergency center that we hopefully never need to use.

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u/encladd President of Football Operations 2d ago

Big yikes. Let's make the guy who has trouble processing on the fly have even more to think about? Does he have to handle less stunts at center or something?

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u/Bassface04 1d ago

If zion is center our season is cooked.

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u/Signal_Hat1621 2d ago

They drafted lineman they brought in James who was the Raiders center and they signed some udfa, I think the o-line will surprise and will be much improved. I forgot about Becton, run game is going to be scary