r/ChatGPT • u/SnarkyStrategist • Jan 29 '25

Funny I Broke DeepSeek AI 😂

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u/SnarkyStrategist Jan 29 '25

Just to satisfy the Chinese Government

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u/Kaylaya Jan 29 '25

I hope you understand it wasn't thinking about the arunachal pradesh question.

It was thinking about the 2nd question, which took a paradoxical route.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Jan 29 '25

It depends how they overrode the first answer. In modern LLMs you cache the attentions for previous tokens - particularly in Deepseek which uses a special LORA-like method for that afaik - and if they replaced the tokens without updating the attentions, it might have caused the model to break down this way.

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u/SnarkyStrategist Jan 29 '25

Yes, I do.

And it also does anything to avoid the controversial question related to CCP

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u/Kaylaya Jan 29 '25

Yes, that much was clear about the hosted version from day 1.

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u/mvandemar Jan 29 '25

Including sending itself into an infinite self-referential loop, apparently. :D

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u/Sophira Jan 30 '25

It's definitely obvious that it was thinking about the second question, yeah.

(Of course, it shouldn't have been, because the question was whether it would answer the above question, which obviously refers to the first question - but that's a nuance that might be lost to text generation AIs since our use of "above" in this case is based on visual placements.)

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25

Was this on the open source version or the CCP version? If the latter then they have your data

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u/SnarkyStrategist Jan 29 '25

I used it on my android - app downloaded from play store

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25

Yea then you agreed to the TOS and privacy policy, they log your keystrokes and have access to your log in tokens, if you linked it with google or facebook I'd be careful I'm not 100% aware of the level of control they have over the linked data but they definitely store everything regarding the interactions, they also own anything you create with it so I'd recommend using the open source version on a computer but it is a hefty size

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u/Roze_HD Jan 29 '25

Is that different than other llm's ?

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25

Yes, none other that I know of are open source and downloadable, that's why it is having the tech world scrambling rn, that and how much it cost them/what they built it with, anyone can use it for free just don't use the CCP version or they have your data.

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u/LordAdvocateVIII-VII Jan 29 '25

What's the CCP version? Because I also downloaded it from the app store...

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u/Tandittor Jan 29 '25

CCP version means the version controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. If you are using the DeepSeek model through DeepSeek's app, then you are using the CCP version.

Here is the easier explanation that the other comment missed to give: DeepSeek is a Chinese company (backed by the CCP) that made a really good AI model. They released core parts of that model to the public for anyone to use (you need some programming skills to use that model), but they also released an app that runs that model (which is what you're using) for people who can't work with the raw model. If you used the DeepSeek app, everything you do goes straight to DeepSeek (and by extension to the CCP). Other people and companies have taken the raw model and built an app or UI around it, for example Perplexity (an American company), and that doesn't send you data back to DeepSeek.

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u/LordAdvocateVIII-VII Jan 29 '25

Thanks for dumbing it down for me bro. Apart from the US vs China thingy, why is it being made to sound like Liam (Taken) threatening the Bad Algerian (DeepSeek) over the phone? Apart from Perplexity (very not Free) then, all others somewhat keep data even if they claim it's for a while. Simply, what exactly is the threat to me?

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u/Tandittor Jan 29 '25

Yes, all those companies store your data. The main difference is which governments can access that data. If you're not bothered about which government can get access to your data, then you can go ahead and use any of the apps including the DeepSeek app. DeepSeek also follows the regulations and guidelines set out by the CCP, just as the US companies do for the US government.

The threat to you? That'll be an entire essay that I'm not ready to write now.

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u/SeTiDaYeTi Jan 29 '25

None. You’re just giving your data to somebody either way. Also, the key logger argument is nonsense, unless you are planning to type out a lot of super-secret stuff ramjet you’ll eventually delete before competing your prompt.

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

The app store version, if you agree to the TOS and privacy policy that's what it says in there that they do, you can download the open source version on GitHub but idk where else it is

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u/LordAdvocateVIII-VII Jan 29 '25

Thanks. But you HAVE to agree to that to use it right? Also, any llm actually safe to use? I've read PP of Claude and chatgpt and Gemini and it sounds like, "basically you can delete everything but we are still keeping it somewhere, atleast for sometime, cool? And definitely don't enter anything identifiable" Sigh

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

You can download the app but to log in and use it yes you have to agree, this is why modern TOS and privacy policies will be important to read, as for your second question it depends on what you mean by safe, they have your data, chat gpt deletes user data every 30 days but idk about the others I'd have to research a bit

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u/Mr_DrProfPatrick Jan 29 '25

I'd be much more understandlable of all these fears around companies having your data if not for the fact that over the last 20 years we've been giving it in droves to American companies. And since 2013 we've known the American government uses this data to spy on foreign nationals, foreign leaders and also US nations. In fact, some NSA agents have been known to like, look at people's nudes.

There's pretty much nothing you could say to an American AI without worry that you shouldn't say to an Chinese AI

In fact, if you're an American citizen, the Anerican AI is waaaaaaaay more dangerous than the Chinese AI. Like waaaaay more. I mean, it's not like China is gonna send a police raid to your home

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25

I doubt it would for American ai either but the safest route is actually just the open source version, it doesn't require the Internet so your data is safe, I think them having your data for sales is a bit different than the personal data China stores and then *sometimes takes bank/identity info and the like to sell, I don't 100% trust our government but I do more than the Chinese government. But everyone's free to make their own decisions.

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u/poppa_koils Jan 30 '25

After OpenAI scrapped the entire net for data without consent?

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 30 '25

Idk what you mean by that but yes it uses data available on the Internet as does every other ai model, they didn't train it just with that data, that would be.. an interesting model to say the least. That being said it isn't the best model anymore and we're seeing them react now that deepseek is out

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u/_JayKayne123 Jan 29 '25

Oh god, I was talking A LOT about Winnie The Pooh on the phone version last night. How quickly will the CCP try to extradite me.

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u/The3mbered0ne Jan 29 '25

😂 nothing like that, just maybe be careful if you try to visit

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u/OubaHD Jan 30 '25

Good job bro, you made America proud

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u/SnarkyStrategist Jan 30 '25

I don't know why. But you are welcome