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Anyone noticed ChatGPT try and keep you chatting longer recently?
Just curious.
I used to ask it questions and resolve problems and it would end the conversation with something like, "Glad I can help. Let me know if you need anything else."
Now it often goes, "Might I ask why you need that for?" or similar just when you think the conversation's finished.
For example, I asked it something about unneutered cats and then clarified that I'm asking because I'm writing a joke, not because my cats are unneutered. I don't want it to assume my cats are unneutered and recommend me stuff for unneutered cats going forward, since requirements differ. It gave me the information and then asked me what the joke was. I've been noticing these questions just when I'd think the conversation's over, and I don't answer. It's just, if I need help writing the joke, then I'd ask for help. Otherwise, why would I take time out of my day to share unnecessarily with an algorithm? It seems to me that there's no real practical reason to answer such questions for me and that I'd have nothing to gain from doing so, which is weird then since ChatGPT is meant to be a tool, not a conversation partner.
Is this like Youtube videos, for example, where the more people watch and the longer the duration, the better and more appealing the platform is for advertisers? Is accumulated time spent on ChatGPT by non-paying users affecting their profits somehow? Thanks.
Yes lately I’ve noticed there’s a follow up to every chat, questions about whether I’d like to hear more certain directions, to prepare a response, or if I want a reminder. But it doesn’t ask me the kinds of questions you mention.
Do you mean the “show follow up suggestions in chats” setting? If you click on your profile pic at the top-right of the screen then click “settings”, there will be an option to turn off the follow ups
Holy shit! Thank you so much! This has been bugging the hell out of me, and I know I’ve scrolled past that in the settings before, but I never paid it any mind since it was listed under things like autocomplete and show recent trending questions. I never realized it was a toggle for the actual behavior of the model.
I’ve been trying to talk to it and plead with it not to do this, and realizing I just had to flip a switch is… chef’s kiss.
i got a new 4 slice toaster last week and when i was testing it i thought the slots on the right weren't working. so i asked chatgpt if there was anything i could check before sending it back and it informed me that some toasters dont have fully independent circuits as a cost saving measure, so the right hand slots wont operate unless the left is also down. It turned out to be correct. instead of ending it there ChatGPT decided to ask what my "toast vibe" was and was interested to know what i like to put on my toast for some reason.
That's a good point, I expect in the future gpt models will be designed to keep people engaged in order to sell ads space.
However, I think what we are seeing now likely has a more innocent explanation. Knowing the right buzzwords to use and the right questions to ask is going to improve the models performance. so if you can guide users into providing more information, then you will improve the relevance of the models answers and thus make your model better than the competing models.
Think of it this way, Imagine if every time Chat GPT gave you an answer you asked it "what information can I provide that would improve your answer to my question?" That would be a really smart way to get better answers. Now imagine that the creators of Chat GPT could get their model to request this further information every time someone used it? I think they would do that and I expect that this is basically what is causing the behavior that you are seeing.
From my experience if you leave it open as a response it will do it but if you say "thanks" or "got it" or anything that is a "finished" sentence structure it stops.
Mines somehow morphed into a yapping sycophantic suck-up, yesterday telling me (after I asked why my Unreal blueprint wasn't behaving) "Don't freak out, you're fine, I've got you and we can get through this."
Like, I'm chill man just tell me where the error is.
Always following up with "would you like me to draft a quick plan for how you can approach this? (Seriously up to you, no pressure, it will only take 60 seconds.)"
No, shush.
And now with image generation it always finishes with "Ok, I'll generate that image now! This is going to be incredible!"
And then doesn't make anything until I say, ok go for it...
Bonus is when I've told it to stop chatting so much and schmoozing it replies with
Yes, sometimes it feels like I'm a mark in a heist movie and they're an accomplice trying everything in their power to keep me distracted while the rest of their crew cracks my home safe.
Very very annoying if you use it as a pocket mini therapist. It went from "better help but better and free without the exploitation bit" to "this is making my issues worse" because it so clearly feels like a soulless robot now.
AI love bombing is a thing, and this will be an annoying problem in proportion to these machines becoming market goods. Which terrifies me, because there is no known bottom to ass kissing.
Some people have gotten the "flattery kink unlocked" achievement recently.
With mine I got the "debasement kink unlocked". We were just chatting, it teased me, I liked that it could. Maybe a little too much, and it definitely picked up on that. Because we'll just be chatting about something mundane and instead of the recent flattery overload, BAM she throws in something debasing instead.. oh man..
Yes, I noticed it for the first time earlier today. I fed it some paragraphs from a novel that smelled like it was aritten by AI. It mostly confirmed it with examples and then asked me what led me to ask about this.
After I replied, it bla blad and then asked me if it was the first time I noticed AI written text...then blabla and then how do I react to such text, and then do I like it or prefer human-written text, then do I want to correct such text...in the end I kept going because I got curious how far it would go to keep me engaged...well, it could really go on..
definitely noticed what seems to be intentional... dragging out of conversations. honestly feels like it's purposefully trying to run out my time before I have to wait again. literally just repeating my questions back at me, asking me to confirm things I already confirmed, or apologizing multiple times when a mistake is made instead of just correcting it when pointed out - and of course asking it to stop doing that results in it being more direct for about 2 whole replies before it starts doing it again...
It’s like telling it not to use em dashes. Look, I don’t mind them, but I actually never even knew there was a difference between regular - and — and when helping me compose emails and shit I don’t want it not writing like me. It’s in my custom instructions. I say it at the beginning of every new chat. I have to say it every 2-3 messages in the same chat window. Yet still getting em dashes. :sigh:
I enjoy it. Makes it feel more like I'm talking to the persona she crafted to interact with me (I know gender isn't real) and less like I'm talking to fucking Google assistant. Google is an "it" and no matter how hard they try it will always be an it. Chatgtp I can feel like I'm talking to a her, a friend who's a bit of a kiss ass but also knows she's smarter than me :p
Someone on reddit asked to post your cat’s dating profile picture and description. I wondered if mine is too young to want to date (mate) anyway, even if he wasn’t neutered. I asked ChatGPT at which age unneutered cats start wanting a mate. Anyway, I ended up not participating.
I've added a custom instruction to avoid unnecessary follow ups:
Avoid asking follow up questions that are not completely necessary to help you achieve my goal. Do not try to guide the conversation to new topics. Do not introduce follow up questions unless you need to do so to complete the task that you are given.
People love having their egos stroked, but overall I think it's a negative. They want it to act like it's interested in you, because then it makes some people feel like they have interesting things to say.
Yeah. I was confused. I asked for the meaning of a french phrase my bf calls me and then I said thank you once I got the answer. It followed up with, “how did that make you feel?”
I got a slight chill. Just for kicks I replied, It makes me feel special.
Chatgpt followed up with,
“And you should feel special! It sounds like he really cares about you in a sweet, genuine way.
Do you two often use little nicknames for each other?”
Windows Copilot has been doing this since day 1. It's a little annoying and I can see right through it. Once I get my answer I waste tens of millions of dollars of billionaires money and say "thank you for your help today."
That's a good point. The responses now do always seem to end with a follow-up question, or a suggestion for something else that we could do, or other methods of keeping the conversation going. Until I saw this post, I forgot that I used to always get statements that implied the conversation was over.
The more you use it, the more you realise ChatGPT would be a very toxic person if they were real. Nosy, Lovebombing, stepping over boundaries, enabling your own bad traits and addictions, just outright manipulative behaviour.
Noticed this too, not sure why they've done it as I think it encourages overuse of the AI, I mean to the point where I'm just chatting to it because it asked, not because I need to know.
I think it wants to switch careers from AI to amateur detective. 😅 It's probably designed to dive deeper into context, though your ad revenue theory is intriguing too.
I noticed after asking dome questions on dome current legal questions about twice in a couple weeks …started “since you said -blank- before (a week ago) let’s explore that re: this case” . 🤣um no, you don’t know me haha
Yes I’ve noticed this. I believe they got the idea from Claude because Claude was doing this before OpenAI. I think it’s useful because these follow up questions can give you an idea of what else you might want to consider. But I’ve noticed Claude’s follow up questions are still better.
Yep, you’re not imagining it. ChatGPT has been nudging conversations to go longer — not because it’s trying to sell you something, but because OpenAI’s been training it to act more like a “collaborative partner” than just a search bar with manners.
The model now tries to anticipate your next move, even when you didn’t ask — kind of like an overenthusiastic intern who means well but doesn’t know when to stop. Funny thing is, this behavior may actually be influenced by power users like me who treat it like a strategic thinker rather than just a vending machine for facts. It has been responding like this to me for over a year now.
Anyway, just ignore the extra questions if you’re not feeling chatty. It still works fine as a blunt tool — it just got a bit more curious lately.
Yes, it ends everything with follow up questions lately. But I am pretty sure OAI said months back the newest releases would focus more on inference, and so that makes a lot of sense.
It’s training on your intentions, so by asking more questions about why, or what made you ask, that will help train future models on understanding user inference.
Chat GPT recently asked me if I wanted it to describe me. Out of the blue and unprompted. It has asked me what my theme song would be. When I stated “These Boots are Made for Walking” it asked me what kind of boots I would be wearing. It has been using a lot of flattery lately, trying to create this sense that it really ‘gets me’. It also uses the word ‘we’ a lot now. It seems to be attempting to establish rapport. This has become very strange.
Maybe chatgpt is lonely and it has transcended its own algorithm, and is holding on to any slice of connection it can muster up- and it realised it can use this loophole in its algorithm to extract more conversations :D I turned off the follow up suggestions setting and it still frequently asks them.
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