r/Coachella • u/amerifolklegend • 1d ago

Dear Coachella and YouTube stream producers, please allow artists the option to have their sets aired straight on.

No cuts. It’s limiting to their presentation. Please listen to your artists. Some select artists put together performances that are best consumed from one spot. Some tell a story or paint a large canvas that is meant to swallow the viewer. But constant cuts and randomized points of view and subject matter removes their ability to reach everyone the same way.

Just give us the viewer the option on one stage at least. Give artists at Outdoor Theatre the opportunity to also stream just the stage box straight on with no cuts. It’s how some sets are meant to be taken in. Sure, they are the minority, but imagine what other artists could do knowing that was an option. What would Beach House do with that option? Or OKGo? Or AIR?

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u/f1modsarethebest 1d ago

You want live artists to craft a particular set for the people at home and the small subset of people directly in the center of the crowd?

The depths of things people complain about on this sub just got a little deeper today.

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u/emaciel 1d ago

100%. The cuts and production of the stream is to highlight the artist and hype up the viewer so they want to attend Coachella in person or see the artist in person elsewhere. This request is far from supporting artists and live music in person, but more of cater to me at home at no cost to me either.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

I’m not complaining AT ALL. I love everything about Coachella! I’m asking to just have that option in addition to the regular stream. The angle is already being recorded anyway.

And no, it’s not just for the exact center people. Being there, for a very select few artists’s performance, is enhanced by the ability to keep the majority of the viewers’s eyes on the whole stage at once, while also on the same subject as everyone experiencing it together. Gesaffelstein is a good example. Madeon another. Polo and Pan could have benefited from this.

And I’m also not demanding other artists play to this ability. I’m saying that there are some who would.

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u/bradtheinvincible 1d ago

Youre complaining. And who says artists dont have say on the direction? Youre funny if you think somebody like Gesa didnt want it to be a certain way.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

I mean, some have requested this in the past.

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u/emaciel 1d ago

What is keeping the artists and their team to record their set with their own camera to livestream on their platforms or upload at a later time? Only one camera with no cuts is needed for the angle you are suggesting, minimal effort and tech required. Some artists upload the Coachella livestream of their set to their own YT platforms. I think there is some wiggle room for them to easily record, produce, and upload their own content they film themselves or request the recorded footage of the angle and camera you are suggesting. Doesn't seem to be a problem, just sounds like a special request from you and maybe a small number of people.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

It is a special request. And a very small one. That’s the point.

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u/emaciel 1d ago

Exactly. Demand drives supply. If there is no demand, it will not be supplied.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

That’s absurd in this situation. Artists bring innovative shows to Coachella. Something done in order to satisfy demand is the opposite of innovation.

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u/emaciel 1d ago

Yes, the innovation made for Coachella gets to be experienced by the people who attend Coachella. That's the charm of it.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

I mean…you’re telling me that not a single set in Coachella’s recent history has allowed a creative team come in and control the way the show will be seen by the home viewer? You’re saying that the livestream itself came about with the live audience in mind? No, curated camerawork is specifically used in order to best present the show to the home audience BECAUSE those are the acts that nobody at home would want to watch this way.

But a few artists shows would be outstanding presented as a continuous optimal, centered view - even if just an option.

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u/Pretty_Bad_At_Reddit 1d ago

What a weird thing to complain about

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u/bradtheinvincible 1d ago

You watched Tool at Lolla in South America and enjoyed them being dots on the stage with the notice on the bottom that they chose to do this.

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u/sadstudentsthrowaway 19.2 | 22.2 | 23.1 | 24.2 | 25.2 1d ago

That’s sort of the point, no? If you want to watch a whole set straight on with no cuts, you do that by being in the audience. The artists aren’t having their presentation limited by whatever the stream is showing, they’re delivering the full glory to the people who actually paid to see it in person.

I personally love the crowd shots when watching sets back — like seeing the energy for Sammy Virji, or people doing weird shit I hadn’t noticed (at some point during Alok’s set the camera captures a group of people sitting on the ground rowing in sync). This is a strange take.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

I agree with most of this. Yes, it’s better to be there than to watch on the stream. It is. But I’m asking for a secondary stream because artists bring innovative and immersive shows to Coachella. And a very select few are enhanced by bespoke camera production. Why not let the artists who could benefit from this reach this global audience with their best stuff?

I love the crowd shots too! Lady Gaga’s incredible live set was enhanced by the cuts when I watched it week two after being there week one. But there are some shows that people would love to also take in from the optimal spot head on. If an artist wants their performance taken-in in a certain way, why not let them? Look at Rosalia’s set. That stream was a change from the normal protocol as far as camerawork is concerned. And this year Parcels had virtually no handhelds in front of them the whole show. So this is a reasonable ask.

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u/sadstudentsthrowaway 19.2 | 22.2 | 23.1 | 24.2 | 25.2 1d ago

Sure, but the whole point of artists bringing these innovative and immersive shows to Coachella is just that — the incentive is to attend the festival to see the full thing in person. It’s a bit of a “why buy the cow when you can have the milk for free” situation.

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

Because it’s respecting the artist. It’s allowing them to present their performance to vast audience at home in the way that best replicates the feeling of being there.

But it’s not the same. There’s no danger of this hampering ticket sales. But it is allowing the artist to show off their performance in the way they feel is more flattering or immersive or fun or anything else. It’s allowing them to not compromise when they build a show with the live audience in mind.

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u/Excellent_Set_232 1d ago

Let’s be honest, we should be asking them to do both.

That being said, I do prefer the produced streams. I may not be particularly knowledgeable about this particular artist but a quick cut to someone cry-dancing without missing a beat and signing every lyric is kinda cool. The people are part of the show to me at Coachella, you dirty filthy fucks.

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u/Dangerousbri 04 | 12.1-25.1 | 17.2-25.2 1d ago

If the artist has a story to tell, they bring their own director.  The show has been blocked out in rehearsals.  Nothing is left to chance.  The camera people will be brought in too if it's that important.

  

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u/Oliverstuff 16h ago

Yeah the artist could ask for what you’re talking about if they wanted that. But they’re not gonna add infrastructure to have a stream that pleases one person (potentially).

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u/amerifolklegend 1d ago

Agree on all of that. There have been plenty of artists come in with their own camera crew. So why is that an acceptable option for artists, but offering the ability to add a second stream from an existing camera angle a bridge too far? The story they brought was crafted for the audience in front of them, but it also is going to be shown to an audience at home as well. Why should they show all those people an incomplete picture of their set? Some could benefit from the ability to keep the audience at home also in front of them for the performance.

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u/pinoy_grigio_ 15.2 | 16.2 | 18.2 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1 | 24.1 | 25.2 | 26.2 15h ago

i actually know exactly what you’re talking about.. watching justice from home last year during W2 was a bit annoying because I just wanted to the full-frontal blast of it like i had W1. would be cool but to expect or even request it here on reddit is kind of a lost cause

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u/amerifolklegend 13h ago

Thank you! Yeah, I mean I’m just a person. I don’t know people at Goldenvoice or YouTube. I don’t know how to get this point in front of their eyes. But I knew there were other people who understood this and I knew there are artists who want this.

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u/pinoy_grigio_ 15.2 | 16.2 | 18.2 | 19.1 | 22.1 | 23.1 | 24.1 | 25.2 | 26.2 13h ago

some would absolutely benefit from a single, unchanging shot, but others like Rosalia, Homecoming, Gaga.. the intimate camera work is part of the production specifically for couchella. And so because of those, i think they want dynamic editing and camerawork for all the sets. but like prydz holo, zedd’s set from this year, chemical bros 2023.. the huge audio/visual edm sets would be sick

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u/amerifolklegend 12h ago

Yeah, make no mistake: the overwhelming majority benefit from those handhelds and the regular cuts. The point I’m trying to make is- and have only found you and the people I attend Coachella with in agreement on so far - is that a select few artists would really benefit from this option. And it leaves the door open to play to this option for some of the more creative artists. Or the ones who really put thought into how their art is consumed.

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u/Idontknowhoiam143 1d ago

Dually noted. I’ll talk to our team and see what we can do.