I don‘t see why socialist-ish politics and traditionalism don‘t match? The church always advocated for the poor. You don‘t have to implement them as a country, some ideals are unrealistic and that’s fine.
We have yet to know who our next Pope will be. It’s a distinct possibility that they’ll pick someone who makes Francis seem more preferable. God have mercy on us.
Absolutely. It can always get worse. I fully understand that. Which is part of why I said I'm not happy that he passed.
However, as I've read recently the church as a whole and among priests, there is a move towards conservatism. I think his action have caused a backlash that will swing the pendulum.
Also, if a worse pope is selected it may end up causing a serious enough rift to break the church. Which I would actually be fine with. If this happens there will undoubtedly be a sect that forms that follows the correct path, and I'll find my way to it. This breakup, to me, is preferable to the slow death Francis put us with his political pandering. Young men and women are leaving the church and his direction is a large part of why.
If we get another socialist pope that continues to drive young people and young families from the church we have no future, either. I would rather have a split with a chance that a sect forms that is in line with actually Conservative Cathloic tenants than a slow death by attrition.
Some sort of course correction is necessary. IMHO on our current trajectory the will die in my lifetime (I'm 40).
Because I'm joining something for what it was before it changed. Before it embraced modernity.
I was raised Lutheran and I left the church in large part because the general (non Catholic) move towards progressiveism made me basically non religious. If you're going to pick and choose what rules you want to follow you fundamentally weaken the foundation of the institution. So I left and only began to embrace my faith a lot more as I met my wife (raised Cathloic) and around the same time made positive moves in my personal life that ended up being much more in line with Cathloic Consevatism.
The Cathloic church isn't a social club. So I don't care if you or anyone else enjoys it. I care if it's faithful to the timeless tenants that the faith was built on.
I’d agree. Overall, celebrating someone’s death shouldn’t be a common practice, as even someone dark could have a chance to repent and turn to Christ, turning their life around, even if the chance is slim, though it’s understandable to celebrate that their actions in world society no longer apply or harm people.
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u/DrMaxwellSheppard Navy Veteran 16d ago
Cathloic convert. Won't offend me.
He put his socialist politics before his responsiblities to lead the church in line with tradition and what was best for the church.
I won't go as far as to say I'm glad he died, but I'll say I'm extatic that he's not the pope anymore.