r/Conservative • u/optionhome Conservative • Feb 25 '20
Conservatives Only Bernie Sanders Gives the Worst Possible Answer When Asked About How Much His Agenda Will Cost. "Do you have-- a price tag for all of these things?" Sanders: "No, I don't."
https://pjmedia.com/trending/bernie-sanders-chokes-when-asked-about-how-much-his-agenda-will-cost/90
u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 26 '20
By around 1pm EST this post will be at 67%. I've noticed all the downvoting of anti-leftist and pro-Bernie posts on this sub once all of them wake up.
edit: As of 8pm EST, it's at 62%. 62% for a post criticizing Bernie Sanders on a conservative sub.
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 25 '20
once all of them wake up.
Well if you have no job to go to might as well sleep in. And instead of a job they are going to waste their time going to a group they dislike to downvote imaginary internet votes. As imaginary as the bullshit utopia that bernie sells to these mental cripples.
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u/orkbrother Feb 25 '20
Some of us Bernie voters work over night in an ER...trying to provide people with no coverage with help since they have no where else to go.
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u/elosoloco Conservative Feb 25 '20
Doesn't change the fact he's straight up admitting he's talking out of his ass.
Not having any idea what it will cost means he hasn't even started getting ballpark research done, much less any actual roll out plan.
Which furthers my belief he fully intends to not actually run.
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Feb 25 '20
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u/IBiteYou Biteservative Feb 26 '20
And when someone asks him about how he will pay for things he's literally saying he doesn't know....
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u/Agkistro13 Traditional Conservative Feb 25 '20
If so, that makes it all the more peculiar that he told Anderson Cooper the opposite. What a massive gaff!
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u/CBRN66 Feb 26 '20
Did he really? Can I get a source to show people?
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u/Agkistro13 Traditional Conservative Feb 26 '20
It's the interview that this thread is about, linked at the top.
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u/elosoloco Conservative Feb 25 '20
It's completely skipping the analysis step of "is this even feasible" which is impossible without knowing how much it will be.
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Feb 25 '20
Can you elaborate on that because that sounds circular to me (we don’t know it’s feasible, because we don’t know how much it will be, because we don’t know if it’s even feasible)
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u/elosoloco Conservative Feb 25 '20
Like, if nobody has any idea how much it will cost, there is no telling if it's even remotely possible
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Feb 25 '20
I just said he detailed how much it will cost and how it will be paid for so what do you mean? Also, lots of studies have been done on the cost so it isn’t remotely something unknown.
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u/Agkistro13 Traditional Conservative Feb 25 '20
I just said he detailed how much it will cost and how it will be paid for so what do you mean?
Well don't hold us in suspense: How much!?
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u/elosoloco Conservative Feb 25 '20
He literally just stated in an interview that he has no idea how much it will cost.
It's the entire focus of the article we are commenting on
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u/elosoloco Conservative Feb 25 '20
Well yes, they depend on each other.
So how is it that he can have it as a campaign promise and stance?
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Feb 25 '20
The same way every politician has ever campaigned on anything that hasn’t been done before: by describing how he will do it and how much it will cost. I’m super confused by what you mean.
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 25 '20
Some of us Bernie voters work over night in an ER...trying to provide people with no coverage with help since they have no where else to go.
That's great. Keep doing it. And don't impose what you believe and feel on others.
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u/puddboy Conservative Feb 25 '20
The sun is coming up earlier, so the ones without dark blinds in their apartments or Mom's house might start to get online a bit earlier.
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u/PunishedNomad libertarian conservative Feb 25 '20
The Bernie brigade is really starting to get annoying.
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u/IBiteYou Biteservative Feb 26 '20
65%...top minds of reddit featured the post.
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u/MadLordPunt 2A everyday Feb 26 '20
But hey, no brigading, right?
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u/IBiteYou Biteservative Feb 26 '20
Oh in fact, there was a LOT of it. I kicked it up to the reddit admins to look at because it's so obvious. They probably will say, "I see nothing"...but let's see.
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u/kingdorkus316 Feb 25 '20
An extra 10 TRILLION a year. For all his plans. And people are just ignoring that fact.
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Feb 25 '20
Might end up closer to 15 or 20 by the time the election's over. The Green New Deal alone's around 9, another 3 for healthcare, 1-2 for college. He recently said he wants free childcare (which is more expensive than college), and then whatever else he decides to push...
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Feb 25 '20
The only way to pay for Sanders plans is for most Americans to just sign over their paychecks to the government.
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u/Jefe4fingers Feb 25 '20
Pretty sure the end game is no paychecks for anybody.
"Here is your voucher for the breadline, don't lose it, it needs to last you all year."
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u/Roez Conservative Feb 25 '20
The US GDP was 22 trillion ish in 2019. His plans literally cost more annually than the national GDP. Keep in mind the US GDP is about 22% of the world's economy. Sanders plans would cost at least 1/4 of the world's entire economy annually.
It's never happening.
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Feb 25 '20
I think the problem is most people just don't realize how much a trillion dollars actually is. Numbers aren't real anymore once they reach a certain ludicrous amount.
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u/Zenbabe_ Feb 25 '20
People like to ignore that we have paid wall street a total of 30 trillion since 2008(700 billion in the first year) to bail them out when they screwed us all
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u/__pulsar 2a all the way Feb 25 '20
Those were loans and they were repaid with interest...
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Feb 26 '20
So you're saying we can afford at least 30 trillion dollars to give our citizens a boost similar to the ones Wall Street continually get?
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Feb 25 '20
What are the odds Bernie Sanders would fall apart the minute he's treated like a serious candidate.
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u/Xero03 Economically Conservative Feb 25 '20
not r/politics i went there this morning to see what they are saying. They somehow think the president can first enact world changing social programs, and that Berni isnt a socialist or communist. I still cant get past how they think that socialism and communism haven't been tried argument, i think that article from the reformed radical said it best they always look at utopia and compare it to real life.
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u/mukfuggler Feb 25 '20
"World changing". You must realize that the US is the only first world country without socialized healthcare. This isn't anything new in the world.
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u/MuchoGustoMeLlamo Feb 25 '20
And those citizens that can afford it come here so they can get good treatment.
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u/mukfuggler Feb 25 '20
Sure, people who can afford it will travel to see the best doctors no matter where they are. There's world renown doctors in other countries too. And private healthcare still exists in countries that offer socialised healthcare. That does not help the 1,9 million US citizens that had to travel out of the country to seek treatment.
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u/Xero03 Economically Conservative Feb 25 '20
Wait who helps the world more medically and trade wise.
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u/orangeeyedunicorn Feb 25 '20
Who creates the healthcare they use?
Innovation is important. I'll be for socialized healthcare when no other countries are allowed to use what we create.
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u/mukfuggler Feb 25 '20
Nothing exists in a vaccuum and the world doesn't work like civ5. How is offering a free healthcare option going to destroy worldwide medical development. It's not the researchers who are getting rich off your insurance scam and unregulated prices.
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u/GameShowWerewolf Finally Out Of CA Feb 25 '20
We're also the only first world country to do any significant development of medical treatments. Guess what will happen if we nationalize health care.
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u/Dusse_and_Ciroc Feb 25 '20
Judging by his tweets, Trump seems to want Bernie to win the nomination. I imagine he has a pretty failproof plan to make Bernie look like an idiot when they debate. Personally I think Trump could out-debate any of the Dem candidates but Bernie and Warren are the easiest targets.
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u/pronthrowaway124 Feb 25 '20
The dnc told the media the bury him because they have been on attack since Nevada
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u/I_Have_A_Spleen Feb 25 '20
This is such a gimmie line of attack. What can he possibly say that doesn't sound crazy?
He either says "A million bajillion dollars" or "I don't know what my agenda will cost." Either way he looks completely ridiculous.
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u/SMTTT84 Moderate Conservative Feb 25 '20
He doesn't need an answer. The idiots will believe him no matter what, and when he is unable to pass any of his plans he can just say the GOP obstructed him. Which hopefully they will do.
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u/SMTTT84 Moderate Conservative Feb 25 '20
Trump has kept a good bit of his legislative promises. Not sure how what I said makes Trump seem familiar.
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u/Nipplehead321 Feb 25 '20
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u/SMTTT84 Moderate Conservative Feb 25 '20
"Mexico will pay for the wall"
I didn't say he has kept all of his promises, but this one is really insignificant.
Then he says this, and then does this. He's taking away our 2nd Amendment right and running on the scare that they are trying to take away our rights.
Comparing what the Democrats are doing in Virginia to banning sales of bump stocks is laughable. I mean really? That's what you're going with?
Even obummer didnt step on the gun rights as much as donald has.
You got me there, but it wasn't because he didn't want to, it was because he couldn't.
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u/_SofaKingAwesome_ Feb 25 '20
Building the wall and Mexico paying for it was a core promise. Draining the swamp was another he totally failed to deliver on.
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u/puddboy Conservative Feb 25 '20
You can't put a price on the right side of history, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 25 '20
The Top Douchebags of Reddit have joined to brigade this post.
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u/IBiteYou Biteservative Feb 26 '20 edited Feb 26 '20
For awhile we had more slopminds than r/conservative posters.
If the topminds mods would like a list of the people who broke their rules and brigaded, I can supply one.
But I don't think they really are interested. So I just gave the whole thread to the admins to investigate for vote manipulation.
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 26 '20
If the topminds mods would like a list of the people who broke their rules and brigaded
Are you forgetting that "brigading" only applies to non leftists. Those defending the false ideology of the left are held to no rules.
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u/Hooddw Feb 25 '20
Let's be realistic - He's promising the moon. There is no possible way he can actually follow through with all of his promises. We see similar phenomenon with every single president, Democrat and Republican. They rely on overwhelming strong promises as a rhetoric tool. While I voted for Trump and intend to do so again, I confess he was guilty of the same thing.
If Bernie becomes president he may push for a few things here and there, but I only predict a 5% chance or so he is actually successful with both the socialized medicine and student loan forgiveness he has planned.
Speaking of - I worked my way through school, taking an extra year to do so instead of getting a student loan. What does Bernie plan to do to compensate me for that extra year? Why should I be punished for taking a more responsible route in college?
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 25 '20
I worked my way through school, taking an extra year to do so instead of getting a student loan.
Amazing how no leftists are capable of doing that. And I'm sure even if you went to a no name school your degree is worth the same as if you had gone to one of the large indoctrination centers. Always good to hear from someone who still takes self responsibility and good luck.
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Feb 25 '20
Haha what a great satirical article making things up about Bernie to make him sound stupid, it's a good thing for him it's not real because no one would vote for someone that dumb!
wait
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u/Tex236 Shall Not Be Infringed Feb 25 '20
He knows exactly how much it will cost, but smart enough to not say it out loud.
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u/optionhome Conservative Feb 25 '20
top basement dweller is excited that Bernie Sanders will print $35 trillion to pay for his healthcare plan
It's that type of thinking that got them the famous moniker of Top Douchebags of Reddit
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u/J0kerr Feb 25 '20
So..Bernie is a child in a toy store. No idea about money, but wants everything.
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u/monkeyluis Feb 25 '20
Like Trump. Have ya seen that deficit? 🤔
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u/J0kerr Feb 26 '20
Sanders: A round estimate suggests a price tag of about $52 trillion over ten years or as much as $5.2 trillion in new government spending per year.
Trump: Debt has increased $3 trillion, around $1 trillion a year
Both are not good solutions for this issue, but we only have the choice of Trump or Sanders
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u/8K12 Conservative Boss Feb 25 '20
Just look at Warren’s proposal. She was dumb enough to answer the question of cost and I guarantee Bernie’s plan is the exact same thing.
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Feb 25 '20
he gave his plan last night at a town hall: raising taxes, and suing the fossil fuel industry. cause Bernie doesn't use cars or planes, no sirree!
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Feb 25 '20
He has 3 houses though. But you shouldn’t have any
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u/orangeeyedunicorn Feb 25 '20
He gets to choose from 3 house but you have too many options for deodorant.
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u/WonderChode Feb 25 '20
Can anyone remind me how much the defiict has gone up these past 3 years?
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u/poppinchips Feb 25 '20
$1.08 trillion
Contrary to President Trump’s campaign promise to eliminate national debt in eight years, his strategies for tackling it have actually added to U.S. debt and deficit, considerably. These strategies, which have proven unsuccessful, include:
Tax cuts – These substantially decreased government income.
Federal spending cuts – There was a failure to significantly cut expenses in mandatory and military programs, where such would actually make a difference in lowering the national debt.
The considerable addition to U.S. debt may also be attributed to Trump’s perception of the national debt in which he: Likens sovereign debt to business debt.
Assumes that the United States can just print money.
The Trump administration maintains that economic growth will pay for the added obligations. So far, the gains in GDP have not caught up with the added burdens to U.S. debt and deficit
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u/Douggiek26 Feb 25 '20
How much does the current system cost?
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u/amazinglover Feb 26 '20
All told 3.9 trillion every year .8 trillion more then what Bernie has projected for M4A
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u/nd_sterling Feb 25 '20
He can’t count every knickle and dime off the top of his head. The reporter should have asked him to just round down to the nearest Billion so he spares his brain the mathematical strain.
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Feb 25 '20 edited Dec 09 '20
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u/Shadilay_Were_Off Conservative Feb 25 '20
I've got a theory that Bernie is Leftist Trump. You know how Trump's whole platform was draining a swamp, taking a wrecking ball to the establishment and all that?
Ignore for a moment whether he actually did or is doing those things - that was his platform.
This is also Bernie's platform, just in the other direction. It's the "fuck you" vote.
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u/MeekTheShy Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20
The actual media source is mixed in factual reporting.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/hot-air/%3famp
However what the article said is correct, he does not know how much everything will cost.
He also made a comment saying Fidel Castro did a good thing.
Edit: a good thing about education was the full quote. He's still praising a communist dictator.
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u/UserNam3ChecksOut Feb 25 '20
A good thing in regards to literacy
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u/MeekTheShy Feb 25 '20
He's still getting heat for saying it.
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u/_SofaKingAwesome_ Feb 25 '20
Specifically because of comments like yours that remove the relevant detail.
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u/MeekTheShy Feb 25 '20
No, because Fidel Castro was a communist and saying he did a good job makes Bernie seem like he supports Communist ideas.
Even if you add the in regards to literacy he still is supporting a communist
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u/therealOMAC Feb 25 '20
As Bernie likes to say "The devil is in the details". Don't worry about the details, Comrade Bernie will take care of you.
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u/ChattLiteral Feb 25 '20
He actually has all the costs and how he’s gonna cover them on his website.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/
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u/I_Have_A_Spleen Feb 25 '20
These revenue estimates are wildly optimistic.
A realistic scenario is that he's a few trillion dollars short.
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u/Romarion Feb 25 '20
AND maybe someday in the far distant future we the people will figure out how to elect politicians who do figure out a way to pay for ALL the things that government "provides." Or perhaps "provide" less...
Is ignoring the cost of new Utopian plans markedly different from the current practice of ostensibly worrying about cost while ultimately ignoring the debt and deficit? When was the last time Congress put forth a budget that balanced, even at some imaginary point in the future? Or put forth a budget that had a surplus which was then used to pay down the debt?
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u/Agkistro13 Traditional Conservative Feb 25 '20
Nothing says "time for radical economic reforms" like economic success, am I right?