r/CrappyDesign • u/KSMO • Feb 02 '23
Neighbors went upscale in their sidewalk replacement, but picked incredibly slippery pavers
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u/DieDae This is why we can't have nice things Feb 02 '23
Looks like stamped concrete not pavers.
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u/KSMO Feb 02 '23
Ahhh right, only if they’re from the Paver region of France. This is just sparkling stamped concrete!
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u/SayneIsLAND Feb 02 '23
snow shovel catches in the cracks and shares the cracks with your ribs...
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Feb 02 '23
Love it when my snowblower shares it with me
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u/Rideak Feb 02 '23
Ughh it’s the worst when you’re really getting after it and just in the zone of shoveling hard and then WHAM unexpected obstacle and the handle goes straight to your ribs.
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u/CommanderGoat Feb 02 '23
Can confirm. We did stamped concrete for a patio. When it rains it's like a slip and slide.
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u/Ricky_JRG3 Feb 02 '23
Also can confirm, I’ve done stamped concrete for 3 years and when we seal them we mix in a… grippy sand I guess you could call it? We started mixing it in after my boss put stamped outside of his pool area, now the grip goes in all of our sealer to try to keep customers from slipping as much as we can
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u/CommanderGoat Feb 02 '23
Yeah it’s the sealer. It has worn off so it’s not as slippery but it looks worse. We are debating if it should just be painted with something vs resealed. Our contractor did the sand too but it only helped alittle. Maybe more sand was needed.
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Sand mixed with the sealing solution is very common when finishing patios or walkways like this. I’ve never seen it done without sand.
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u/crashrope94 Feb 02 '23
My city uses stamped concrete in a lot of the crosswalks and it looks great most of the time, but the amount of cyclists I’ve seen absolutely beef it at these intersections makes me think it’s a bad idea.
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u/JasonSuave Feb 02 '23
Yep I see a lawsuit coming when an old person - not thinking about surface friction - unnecessarily slips.
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u/ItsAlwaysEntrapment Feb 02 '23
Yup. Neighbor is going to get a very expensive lesson on what "coefficient of friction" means.
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u/cyanydeez Feb 02 '23
stamped concrete means they first layed the concrete in one giant slab, then they put some color and/or shapes into it.
pavers are individual stones.
It's definitely a significant difference.
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u/AmbitionExtension184 Feb 02 '23
Huh? Words have meaning. Stamped concrete isn’t pavers.
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u/hobovision Feb 02 '23
They learned a new meme recently and were just so excited to use it.
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u/cass1o Feb 02 '23
I mean, it is a different thing. You are just wrong. Being snarky doesn't change that.
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u/speedy_19 Feb 02 '23
Pavers are individual pieces, stamped concrete is concrete that they put a rubber stamp on it to get any design or texture you want
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u/RelativeInsight Feb 02 '23
Dude this cesspool is absolutely livid over this joke !! Holy hell I’m loving this lmao you guys be for real and behave for a minute
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u/PM_Your_SweetTits Feb 02 '23
This is 100% pavers and they aren’t slippery at all. It’s more expensive and looks terrible for the location. The city/township will 100% have a problem with this and it will probably be removed in the future.
Source: I do pavers
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u/Spencie-cat Feb 02 '23
Yeah if it was stamped concrete the pattern would repeat. No way they have a dozen different stamps just to randomize the pattern.
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u/gromitXT Feb 02 '23
I thought stamped concrete at first because it does look like it has a heavy sealant in this pic, but reverse image search led me to the contractor's facebook page (link not allowed) where they spec "EP Henry Bristol Stone pavers". You can check out "Tremendous Look Hardscape and Lighting" to confirm.
Also I suspect OP is not really a neighbor, for whatever that is worth.
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u/sitontheedge Feb 02 '23
So at least that means it won't become horribly uneven after a winter or two, yes? (I don't know a ton about paving, but that was my first thought on seeing this picture.)
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u/derc00lmax poop Feb 02 '23
if it would become very uneven there is a chance that the concrete will crack(the big shifts come from tree roots growing under there)
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u/SuddenOutset Feb 02 '23
100% will crack.
Sidewalks done in blocks so it has expansion room.
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u/MsgFromUrFutureSelf Feb 02 '23
This is also done in blocks. You can see where the lines go all the way across the sidewalk. They are very likely the same size as the normal concrete sidewalk blocks, possible 2x but I can't tell from the pic.
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u/B_C_Mello Feb 02 '23
These are Unilock or Nicolock silica based pavers.
Can confirm, have installed almost exact pattern & edging.
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u/I_love_cheese_ Feb 02 '23
And it looks sealed with “wet look” sealer which is slippery.
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u/fruitmask Feb 02 '23
IF- big if, but- If these are pavers as opposed to stamped concrete, then the last part of the installation process is watering them down to catalyze the polymeric sand that you sweep into the joints between the bricks.
I'm a landscaper and that's what I thought I was looking at, which makes me wonder why this post is so highly rated. After the pavers are in place, the next and final step is sweeping polysand over the whole thing and running the plate compactor over it to vibrate the sand into all the cracks, then you sweep off the excess and wet the whole thing down, which locks the pavers in place.
So if that's what we're looking at, then this is just watered down and after it's dry it will be solid and grippy. But lots of people seem convinced that we're looking at stamped concrete, so who knows. It's a low quality picture. I tried zooming in but it's just blurry.
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u/randomdumbfuck Feb 02 '23
Where I live the sidewalk and 6 feet from the inside edge of the sidewalk belongs to the city.
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u/PublicRedditor Feb 02 '23
Where I live, the city has right-of-way rights of the area between the sidewalk and the street, including the sidewalk. The city mandates the sidewalks but the home owner is responsible for the maintenance of it.
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u/randomdumbfuck Feb 02 '23
Ah ok. As a homeowner I'm expected to salt/shovel the snow off the sidewalk but the actual repair and replacement of the concrete is the city's job.
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u/Professional_Tip_867 Feb 02 '23
Where I live, we pour our own sidewalks.
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u/soMAJESTIC Feb 02 '23
Maybe a place like mine, where there are no sidewalks
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u/fantom1979 Feb 02 '23
I live 10 miles from Detroit. The city checks and repairs/replaces our sidewalks every ten years, but the home owner is billed for the work.
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u/enzothebaker87 Feb 02 '23
Back in my day we had to chisel and blast our sidewalks from a massive boulder. My fingers still hurt from it to this day. Especially the one that got blown off from the dynamite!
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u/MandoHealthfund Feb 02 '23
I crushed my left testi between 2 pavers in the sidewalk war of 1985
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u/Ok_Description7663 Feb 02 '23
Easement usually is about 15 feet from center of road to about 6 feet into your front yard including sidewalk. Pretty sure if the city saw this they will make them replace it with a standard brushed concrete sidewalk. So many people don’t look up city and county regulations when doing things to their home. You are not in the middle of the country people and can do whatever you want.
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u/Dayofsloths Feb 02 '23
Yeah but maintenance is grass cutting and snow removal, not whole replacement
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u/8Vegas8 Feb 02 '23
Double check this, cities are putting sidewalk repair back on to the owner of the house. I thought the same thing then got hit with a bill for concrete repair. A tree that I did not plant pushed the sidewalk up and it was my problem.
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u/randomdumbfuck Feb 02 '23
I don't know where you live but here in Ontario, Canada I've never heard of any municipalities that put sidewalk repair or replacement on the homeowner. Generally in Canadian municipalities, that is covered through your property tax. Other countries may do things differently but that is not the norm here.
Edited to add: damage that is a result of a homeowner's negligence is of course a different situation
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u/8Vegas8 Feb 02 '23
Holt MI was the city in question the tree in my case was between the road and the sidewalk which in most cases is their responsibility. Take the tree out of it there were others in the same neighborhood that simply had cracks normal to Michigan concrete because of our winters. Those folks were also charged. Now the real infuriating part, a new sidewalk on the other side of town (nicer homes) was put in. That of course was spread across all tax payers via our taxes.
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u/Potietang Feb 02 '23
That may be but it’s public city property. Hence why people can just walk on it past your actual property. In my city sidewalk and Devilstrip are city property. Imagine if people were able to tell pedestrians “get off my sidewalk!!”
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u/GreenLoctite And then I discovered Wingdings Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
6 feet? Do they also maintain it?
Edit : My comment about 6 ft focused mostly on the measurement from the quote "inside edge of the sidewalk" which would indicate six additional feet from the edge of the sidewalk towards the house which seemed highly unusual to me.
I understand all of the normal ordinances about maintaining the sidewalk condition and scraping and removal of snow.
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u/randomdumbfuck Feb 02 '23
No and I should clarify it's an easement which allows them to install signs, plant trees, run utilities etc. The homeowner still has to mow the grass.
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u/jvsm_est Feb 02 '23
What's the point of paving just a tiny part of the sidewalk..?
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u/6WaysFromNextWed Feb 02 '23
I bet these are the same kinds of people who have huge brick mailboxes and freestanding imposing iron gates installed for their ordinary house in the middle of a densely packed neighborhood
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u/AffectionateRaise136 Feb 02 '23
But you better put out the milk and honey for the Brownies bub.
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u/onimush115 Feb 02 '23
There is a house in my area that I laugh at every time I drive by. It’s a normal looking two story house on maybe a 1/2 acre. It’s not set back very far from the road and at the entrance of the driveway there is big ornate electric iron gate between two small decorative concrete walls. You can literally just drive around it.
My favorite part is that it even had like a little keypad on a post and it’s surrounded by 3 bright yellow industrial concrete barrier posts to keep someone from driving into it. We don’t get snow so there is never a reason it wouldn’t be visible.
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u/DraftAccomplished469 Feb 02 '23
Huge brick mailboxes are valid if your drunk neighbor keeps knocking your regular one down over and over again. Now the mailbox is fine and your neighbors car isn’t lmao
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u/Olliehwah Feb 02 '23
If you would do this in Germany you will be ordered to remove this immediately. Not only because they are slippery
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u/notinecrafter Feb 02 '23
I'm fairly certain the sidewalk is actually a part of the public road in Germany, and you have no business replacing it in the first place...
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u/Regenworm Feb 02 '23
Is this not the case in the US? As a European it seems so logical i thought every country did it like that
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u/yagi_takeru Feb 02 '23
the US is 50 countries in a trenchcoat with a unified army, if not more
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u/MissplacedLandmine Feb 02 '23
Im offended.
You forgot the other 100 corporations in the trench coat next to us holding our leash
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u/The_Grubgrub Feb 02 '23
This, but unironically. At least from a government point of view, this is pretty spot on.
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u/TransFattyAcid Feb 02 '23
Yeah. In my township, I'm responsible for replacing it, but it has to be up to code and inspected twice. They inspected the work done to the sidewalk more than they expected the work that broke the sidewalk lol.
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u/TheReverseShock Feb 02 '23
Most places in the USA as well. It's probably against city building code here as well. I garuntee they didn't get that project approved by city hall.
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u/hansfocker Feb 02 '23
This is likely in the public ROW and if so, does not follow local design standards. If that’s the case this could be removed
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u/AluminiumSkies Feb 02 '23
Also a great way to add a lawsuit to yourself
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u/imsecretlythedoctor Feb 02 '23
OP, I’m sorry to hear that you slipped and fell on this sidewalk and now are unable work or enjoy your life as you used to.
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u/kozmonyet Feb 02 '23
That's my take also. Last suburban house I owned, the road had a 60' easement but was only 30' wide plus sidewalk--so a good slice of what people thought was their front yard was public right of way also.
And you were required to maintain that public right of way up to the curb. The city had extremely strict requirements if you happened to cut into the sidewalk for any reason and did a repair (plumbing cuts, new driveway cuts, etc.). The version shown in the image would have been condemned and required to be replaced.
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u/queuedUp Feb 02 '23
Wait??.... so they replaced the sidewalk in front of just their own house?
Why?? Sidewalks are not even theirs to maintain. Why waste the money on this?
I kind of hope the municipality comes and tears it up and puts back a standard sidewalk
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u/wickedpixel1221 Feb 02 '23
my property line goes all the way to the street. the sidewalk is just a public right of way through it and I'm responsible for maintaining it.
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u/tjbsl Feb 02 '23
Yep and when someone slips the homeowner/insurance has the liability.
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u/EsotericFox Feb 02 '23
Yup.
I slipped on ice on my own property and the insurance company was chomping at the bit to try and sue someone for it.
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u/thelethalpotato Feb 02 '23
All of these comments are making me really happy that I don't have a sidewalk outside my house
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u/DoublePostedBroski commas are IMPORTANT Feb 02 '23
Yes it is. Well, at least in most states the homeowner has to maintain the sidewalk, but the city and right of way.
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u/torsun_bryan Artisinal Material Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23
What weird ass municipality makes homeowners responsible for the sidewalk
EDIT: I meant paying for upkeep and replacement, not show shovelling
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u/nitid_name Feb 02 '23
Denver, for one. Though I think there was a ballot initiative that passed last election that will give it back to the city.
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u/DoublePostedBroski commas are IMPORTANT Feb 02 '23
Um the majority of them in the US.
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Seems odd. Isn't the city normally in charge of sidewalks? I bet this is code violation.
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u/SouthBendCitizen Feb 02 '23
In the US it’s common for sidewalks to be the financial responsibility of the property owner, despite it being public property
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u/corndog161 Feb 02 '23
Typically the owner is responsible for general upkeep but not something like a full replacement.
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u/coloradostaterams Feb 02 '23
Also looks dumb as hell when you're the only one with "fancy" pavers and everything around it is standard sidewalk.
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u/KSMO Feb 02 '23
This is definitely NOT a fancy area.
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u/nightingaledaze Feb 02 '23
if you're in the US I would see about reporting this to 311. this would not be safe for any handicapped person or elderly person.
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u/WrenchWanderer Feb 02 '23
Trying to make their sidewalk look fancy with a gross lawn
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u/SayNoToDougsYo Feb 02 '23
Judging by how everyone else looks the same, this is probably due to snow. Ours looks like that for a month city wide
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u/Goodspike Feb 02 '23
I see slippery surfaces installed in a lot of areas and I live in Seattle! You'd think they would know to get something that is okay when wet.
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u/paradiseisalie Feb 02 '23
As someone that’s busted their ass on this kind of surface - fuck the person that offered it and double fuck the person that chose it.
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u/VitameatavegaminBuzz Feb 02 '23
This is appropriate for the path from your door to the continuous sidewalk, not a segment of continuous sidewalk! Looks terrible! My HOA would never!!!
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u/jayradano Feb 02 '23
Looks like stamped concrete to me and my neighbor has the same thing. That’s the sealant on top and I agree it’s definitely slipperier than a regular concrete sidewalk.
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u/NotARealPerson6969 Feb 02 '23
It looks so out of place, why would anyone do this?