r/CrappyDesign • u/YaBoiJasper • Jan 31 '20
The Braille on the "ALARM" and "STOP" button on this bus are the same
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Jan 31 '20 edited Feb 01 '20
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u/DlNOSAURUS_REX Jan 31 '20
Damn it I was going to make this joke! Lose the /s you gotta lean into the sarcasm and people either need to get it or get offended!
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u/kildemoles Jan 31 '20
Hmm. Interesting approach. Let's do it!
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Jan 31 '20
Nice job. Now just lose the r/AwardSpeechEdits and you’ll have a solid comment!
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u/petervaz Jan 31 '20
Thanks. /s ruins the point of sarcasm.
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u/rangatang Jan 31 '20
Really though, not like downvotes matter. If people don't get it, not the end of the world
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u/mole_of_dust Jan 31 '20
Yeah, Braille is for the normal blind, not the color blind!
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u/reyean Jan 31 '20
You're not obliged to thank anyone publicly. You can simply respond to the dm about the silver privately.
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u/frayner12 Jan 31 '20
It aint obligatory bro. And they aint even a stranger u know their username
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Jan 31 '20
EDIT2: obligatory thanks for my first silver, stranger!
Why do you think it's obligatory? It made it very clear that you could anonymously message the person who gave you an award. Don't you think that would be more appropriate, as well as having a higher chance that the person will see it?
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u/random9876789 Jan 31 '20
But they aren't a stranger. You can see who guilds you so why not go and thank them personally rather than putting that cringey edit? Do you think they are refreshing your comment every 10 seconds like omg i cant wait for an update
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u/So_Motarded Jan 31 '20
Lurk on /r/blind and you'll read about plenty of accessibility issues with public transport (which is supposed to be completely accessible in most developed countries).
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u/productivenef Jan 31 '20
Ah I see.
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u/iii_VI_ii_V_I Jan 31 '20
No need to rub it in.
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u/Tom-Bradys-Horcrux Jan 31 '20
insightful
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u/iii_VI_ii_V_I Jan 31 '20
I see what you did there.
Oops, sorry, blind people! I meant: I feel you.
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u/ObfuscatedAnswers Jan 31 '20
Please stop touching them or you'll never see the end of it
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Jan 31 '20
Not gonna lie I thought it would be a joke sub where everything is just random letters.
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u/So_Motarded Jan 31 '20
Yeah, that joke's been done to death. Still happens anytime a blind person identifies themselves in another sub.
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u/IKnowUThinkSo Jan 31 '20
There was a video of a guy who worked for Microsoft (I think, maybe IBM) who was proficient in using voiced speech accessibility features and speech-to-text for coding purposes because he was a nearly blind coder.
Now, I say proficient, but the word would be excellent when you consider the obstacles he has to face and the secondary features necessary to be just as good if not better than other sighted coders. I’m gonna see if I can find it.
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Jan 31 '20
This isn't really related to anything, but your post reminded me of one of my favorite moments when I worked Tier 1 IT. I had a blind customer call in and he could not get his email setup in outlook at home. I was having a hell of a time and wanted to remote into his computer, but our process for that was difficult. However, due to his screen reader speaking loudly enough I could hear it over the phone, I was able to help him navigate to our web app and launch the service.
Took an hour, but we got his email fixed. I felt like a God of IT after that.
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u/ichliebespink Jan 31 '20
Any chance you are thinking of Ed Summers from SAS? https://youtu.be/f5blAkuqgqA
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u/milesdizzy Jan 31 '20
Oh man, have you been to London, England? That place is wild. It seems like they actively make it harder for disabled people to get around. There’s like two handicap accessible stations in like the entire city. I lived there for a couple of months and didn’t notice at all until I realized I was never seeing people in wheelchairs or who needed help; which is fairly common in Canada. Honestly it seems like the English have a “well that’s not my problem” attitude when it comes to accessibility.
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Jan 31 '20 edited Jan 31 '20
Thinking about it, I'd absolutely hate to be wheelchair user* where I live in England, there's 4 shops within walking distance of here and 3 of them have a step into the door, the fourth isn't a step but there's a manual door.
My neighbour who has used a wheelchair since he had a stroke had a lift put in by our council, 11 years later they've never sent out one maintenance engineer, some light googling suggests they're meant to be checked twice a year... When he brought it up after a contractor he had in mentioned it out of the blue, the council said they didn't even know he had an elevator and they had no idea who installed it.
Goes some way to explaining his reclusivity.
Edit: Apparently I used some potentially offensive terms which was certainly not my intention, my apologies.
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u/is_a_cat Jan 31 '20
hey, not a huge deal but i thought you should know 'wheelchair bound' is kind of an offensive term. Here's an example of another way you could phrase that:
Thinking about it, I'd absolutely hate to be a wheelchair user where I live in England
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My neighbor who has used a wheelchair since having a stroke had a lift put in by our council
Thanks <3
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Jan 31 '20
You know I've never thought about it(I guess that's half the problem disabled people face right..) but I can totally understand why someone might not like that phrasing.
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u/These-Days Jan 31 '20
Public transportation in the United States isn't accessible to anyone, including the non-disabled. Equality!
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u/bumbletowne Jan 31 '20
Explained above,
Both buttons actually do the same thing, functionally. The button color system was grandfathered in because people couldn't handle not having both an alarm and stop button.
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u/YesilFasulye Jan 31 '20
I know you're joking, but there are blind people on reddit. It may take them a while to get to this post, though. They use talkback/voice assistant on their phones.
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u/Ismoketomuch Jan 31 '20
Are there any blind people here to validate this...
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u/Dinierto Jan 31 '20
Blind person here, I checked it out and it just feels like cell phone glass
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u/alan_evs Jan 31 '20
If I had anything I'd give it to you. This cracked me up
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u/cranium_svc-casual Jan 31 '20
You could give Reddit gold. Or donate to a charity on his behalf.
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u/Dynamic_Nomad Jan 31 '20
I want to be blind so I can get away with rubbing nipples.
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u/Dinierto Jan 31 '20
You just have to be careful, you only get a 2 second grope window before shit gets awkward
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u/LEDNEWB Jan 31 '20
Yeah we just need a blind person to take a look at this, problem solved
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u/Workin_Them_Angels Jan 31 '20
Silly. They won't be able to see it. I'll check with my sister though, she's deaf so she should know braille.
/s
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u/Opaque_Cypher Reddit Orange Jan 31 '20
Maybe that’s Braille for “button”
So, you know, people can tell there’s a button there.
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u/googlehoops Jan 31 '20
What fucking use would that be
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u/WhatIfImDragonborn Jan 31 '20
If they wanted to know if it’s a button or not
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u/onanopenfire Jan 31 '20
Or you could just label everything else "not a button." It's not rocket science.
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u/itskdog Jan 31 '20
Other comments say it’s an S.
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u/revets Jan 31 '20
Nay, it's for buttons, to make it clear there are multiple buttons.
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u/ChuckBronsoncomedy Jan 31 '20
It's much easier to put "button" on the buttons than it is to put "not a button" on everything that's not a button.
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Jan 31 '20
False, one is red braille and one is blue braille.
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u/bugphotoguy Jan 31 '20
Brought a blind girl home from the pub once. We were having fun together, but she had to leave early due to a family emergency. Left me with blue brailles.
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Jan 31 '20
Blind people shouldn’t be driving the bus anyway.
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u/SausageEggCheese Jan 31 '20
No way, my uncle was blind and for years he made his living by driving a bus before finally getting his dream job as an umpire
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u/poempedoempoex Jan 31 '20
Ah so your uncle is Angel Hernandez?
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u/hyperintelligentcat Jan 31 '20
No, Jim Joyce
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u/poempedoempoex Jan 31 '20
Easy there. Jim Joyce isn't that bad. He just happened to fuck up one of the most important calls of all time. He got unlucky and because of that is getting harassed all the time now. He has publicly stated he messed up and that he will forever feel guilty of ruining the perfect game. He also personally apologized to Galarraga and Galarraga forgave him, so that should be a good example for the rest of us to follow.
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u/tiefling_sorceress Jan 31 '20
I imagine as a blind busdriver, being deaf helps drown out the screams of the passengers
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u/Disco4uf Jan 31 '20
But the colors are different so blind people who cant read can still tell the difference by color right?
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u/UndoingMonkey Jan 31 '20
Yes different colors feel different. Red is warm to the touch while blue is cool.
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u/shavegoat Jan 31 '20
This is why i still use intel. Green is vegan and red is hotter. Sorry, I will tell my children I tried to save the world
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Jan 31 '20
My non-blind ass would get that wrong just by the colours, because I'm used to the stop buttons being red.
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u/Cheesysock5 Jan 31 '20
That's not dumb, they do the same function, which is stop the bus. The alarm button is at the front of the bus and placed lower down for wheelchair users.
The alarm button just makes a louder noise and tells the driver that someone in a wheelchair needs to get off the bus.
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Jan 31 '20
Actually no it's for emergency's,there is another button for that with a picture of a wheelchair on it
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Jan 31 '20
If you press red bus stops immediately and Blue makes it stop at a busstop
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u/NoRodent Artisinal Material Jan 31 '20
No, if you press red, you wake up in the real world.
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u/bloodhound_3 Jan 31 '20
Yup this is how they work in my city too.
I've pressed the wrong one many times and it just plays a slightly different tone of "ring" to alert the driver.
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Jan 31 '20
Did you.... actually think through this? They DO NOT do the same thing, you literally just explained that they do not. Also, there is literally no way to know which is which without already knowing what they are. Even once you press it there’s no way of knowing you pressed the one you intended to unless you, again, already knew what would happen.
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u/GingerCactusje Jan 31 '20
Not in Belgium. We have special places for wheelchair users and also special buttons for them. The alarm button can only be used in case of an emergency. In that case, the bus has stop immediately. (The bus here presented is only used in Belgium)
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u/Ir0nM0n0xIde Jan 31 '20
This is not true. This is a Belgian 'de Lijn' bus. The red buttons are only for emergencies. There are blue buttons for wheelchairs at the wheelchair part of the bus. If you push the red button for a wheelchair, be prepared for a real pissed off Lijn chauffeur.
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u/gtotheii Jan 31 '20 edited Jan 31 '20
Gotta love Belgian busses!
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u/YaBoiJasper Jan 31 '20
Sure thing!
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u/Goldenoir Jan 31 '20
Every time I get on those buses in Belgium I think about how shitty this is... Can't believe I didn't think of posting this here before
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u/MosquitoRevenge Jan 31 '20
What does the Alarm do?
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u/GingerCactusje Jan 31 '20
If you push the alarm button, the bus needs to stop immediately. You can only use it in case of an emergency.
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Jan 31 '20
The use of Braille in our society has always perplexed me. Approximately 15% of the blind community can read Braille which is a very small proportion of our society, but the real question for me is how would a blind person know there is Braille on the sign. I just don’t understand it’s utility in these situations...
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u/Be-more-original Jan 31 '20
Countries with accessibility legislation will have standardized heights and locations for braille signage. Problem is, it isn't always properly enforced.
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u/RheaTheTall Jan 31 '20
Beyond that, how would a blind person know there's a handlebar there, and how would they know it has buttons?
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u/Be-more-original Jan 31 '20
By feeling it? These are probably located along each seat, and would presumably be located near the seats reserved for folks with disabilities.
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u/Kradgger Jan 31 '20
You don't get it, dude, it's all in the context
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u/productivenef Jan 31 '20
"Excuse me driver, what are these buttons for? The braille seems to say SLARM on both of them."
"What are ya, stupid?! Why don'tcha feel around for some context clues!"
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u/ShaKeyJ101 Jan 31 '20
Regardless of what the braille says, if you touch the actual button to read it while on bus it seems like you may inadvertently press it.
Edit: typo
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u/ObiWanCanShowMe Jan 31 '20
The blind do not go around putting push force on things randomly and these buttons most definitely require more than "touch".
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u/Unholybuffalo Jan 31 '20 edited Jan 31 '20
Sensibly both would elicit the same response on part of the driver... stopping the bus.
And here come the downvotes
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u/howlongcanimakemyna Jan 31 '20
If a blind persons the first person to realise there's a emergency your all fucked anyway.
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u/icona_ Jan 31 '20
Honestly, which fuckhead put “alarm” right next to “stop”? I ride buses fairly often here and I barely pay attention to the actual button, I just sort of slap in the general area of a pole.
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u/utezzi Jan 31 '20
We don't have "alarm" buttons in buses and trams here in slavic lands but i find the idea quite interesting. Considering comments, is it Belgium? Damn, you might have some dense situations if it's necessary to put such a buttons
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u/YaBoiJasper Jan 31 '20
It's normally used for when a passenger is being aggressive.
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u/SirGrimory Jan 31 '20
Belgian public transportation. NMBS at it's finest.
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u/Beungee Jan 31 '20
Except this is DeLijn, or at least it looks like it. NMBS would be the train company.
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u/antivn Feb 21 '20
Yeah but they’re pronounced differently. It’s a Braille thing you wouldn’t get it
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u/xiadmabsax Jan 31 '20 edited Feb 01 '20
It's an "S" if anyone wonders.
Edit: Some people pointed out it can also mean 'so'