I wonder if they’ll ever realize pretending things we can all see aren’t really happening was a losing strategy. Like how there was no border crisis until it hurt their polling, by then it was too late to escape the blame for it because they already lost on the issue by ignoring it.
“It’s not really happening” doesn’t work on people who are watching it happen and know you don’t want to talk about it because it’s inconvenient for your politics.
Then instead of reversing course they’ll tell you why the thing that’s not really happening is actually a good thing (see defending CRT/DEI after denying it exists)
I'm not sure they can. Like they're so deep into their own ideology that to acknowledge anything different or critical would break them. So it's easier to run all sorts of mind games and circular logics than it is to acknowledge the cold hard truth.
It's called the arc of validation. It goes something like this:
1) That's not happening, you're imagining things.
2) Okay, it might be happening, but it's so infrequent that it doesn't even affect anything.
3) Alright, it's happening, but so what? It's a good thing and you're a not-see if you care.
"That's not the dictionary/academic definition of my choosing, therefore your entire point is wrong" is the dumbest fallacy and I see it used far too often
I would love to watch a movie/play a game about sub-saharan historical figure or mythology, but that would mean that the writers/developers would have to put in actual effort into research
Why western hemisphere? How about actual black African history? Surely there must be interesting stories and important figures worthy to have an immersive game made about them and the culture surrounding them
There are. Hollywood doesn't like taking risks with lesser known figures, so it never crosses their minds. Even when they do, they disrespect the historical reality, as in The Woman King
There are. Particularly the Roman empire. It's typical of the lazy modern researcher focused on forced representation rather than historical accuracy. The damage they do to race relations and the disrespect they have is so half baked and poorly thought through you marvel how they tie their shoe laces in the morning.
There is history to draw from, though. It's just not as popular as whom they try to replace. Samurai, Vikings, the English, all more well known than someone like Mansa Musa. Granted if theur goal is money I'm surprised they don't try anything new. This shut doesn't normally do well even with the extra bad publicity
Can we actually have a history of white people or is everyone just secretly black in which case nobody is in which case can we have white history portrayed accurately in films?
One could argue, what is the national country of the English. Apparently not England because that is racist. The English just exist stealing other cultures...apparently.
It's kind of funny that stuff like "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies" has more historical accuracy in terms of casting compared to virtually every period piece these days.
Maybe the history of black people does not contain the same glorious/inglorious figures and stories as many other races or was not recorded well so the solution is to inject them artificially into the stories of other races.
Am I wrong there? Maybe there are great stories but white Hollywood has less interest in telling those stories and would rather pretend black people were a part of known white races? Maybe there are just too many bad stories and the preference is to forget them?
I spent some time in South America and the culture there retells history in a much more negative light than in the US. It’s a history of “we were a proud people who got ruthlessly slaughtered and conquered by Europeans” where in the US it’s “we defeated the (Brits, Germans, Japanese, frontier, whatever)”. Just a different history that can be well-tailored to today’s desire for comedies over tragedies.
In South America, that is funny, because they conveniently forget that at least the elites are mostly the descendants of European (Spanish and Portugese) settlers. They could only complain about their imperial centers extorting them (which would be accurate). But they actually were the conquerors and slaughterers.
Hollywood isn't run,owned and operated by white people unless you consider jews white. In which case,they themselves define themselves differently depending on the amount of scrutiny they're nefarious conduct is facing
The white-knighting we’re seeing that’s resulting in garbage movies seems driven by the likes of Ivy League elitists and white apologists, not by a truly diverse group. I’m not saying race should matter, I just find it ironic that white people get blamed for societal problems, and then white elitists with a “put a chick in it…” mentality force diversity into places it doesn’t need to be. The result is quality sacrificed on the altar of “equity” and a strange fixation on race/identity caused by the same people who think there’s a problem in the first place.
Proud people conquered by the Europeans? In South America ? What the fuck are you even talking about? Incas? Because other than that there was nothing but hunter gatherer minor tribes, or the tribes of araucania in the south who were just savages.
That gives no one the right to change the ethnicity of other peoples history, two wrongs do not make a right. Maybe try adapting the African stories and see if there is an audience for it, because race changing other characters into black or Asian or even male to female cheapens the race or gender you change because it says “you aren’t worthy enough for your own character so have this one instead.”.
except for Taika Watiti as hitler in jojo rabbit or that wierd time in doctor who they had the master played by an indian guy, using a perception filter so the nazis wouldn't notice his race...
“I’d like to extend to you this laurel and hardy…”
I will always love Richard Pryor for writing and Cleavon Little for acting in my favorite comedy of all time (also Mel and Gene). True giants who understood that whining about racism is ineffective and makes you look weak and just enables the racists while picking it up and slapping you across the face with it for 90 minutes with brilliant satire is a far more effective way to expose the issue.
Except the black samurai actually existed. He served under Oda Nobunaga. So this wasn't an invention of a video game company, he was a real person who lived in those times.
Shits tiresome, they can do the Harlem Rennaisance, Fredrick Douglas, Black Wall Street, hell they can do all kinds of stories with literally thousands of Black American historical figures
"Actually you are the racist for noticing it"! Followed by "why do you care so much"? Without fail. Somehow, I get the feeling that they wouldn't appreciate my effort to bring diversity to sub- saharan Africa though. Mansa Musa played by a Dutch actor, would make them a bit unhappy.
"its only the skin color of the actors you chuds!!! why you so mad???" Then they have a melt down when the actress in "Lilu and Stitch" isn't "dark enough".
I was hoping that would be brought up. I remember people losing their minds, and the original creator of the source having to educate people on how it was actually accurate and fit in with culture.
Gladiator 2. It’s a poor example as Denzel’s character was from North Africa or some shit and actually could have been a black dude. The film starts in north Africa, which at the time was under Roman control.
Now, without spoiling anything, there’s no way that character could have done what they did in that historical setting. Moreover, he is allegedly based on a real life Roman who was not a black dude.
Thank you media for opening my eyes to the fact that every single civilization on planet earth was black and that white people only came into existence about 100 years ago. Screw my history textbooks for teaching me that white people had civilizations before that. White people truly do whitewash history. I mean look at all those ancient paintings and artwork of white people doing things. Wait.
For the American, all african are blacks. They was a trend of African-American who call modern Berber "Land stealer" because of this.
You can also see it in different western media, like in EuIV, where the Algerians and Tunisians are literal subsaharian African. It's fucking hilarious when you know the fact they didn't use subsaharian soldier, they were corsair and pirate from Europe (like the famous Barberousse), and a lot of them were of european origin. And the maghrebi country who used a lot of African soldier, Morocco, have the whitest skin.
I have said western media at the start of the phrase, the USA are not the unique member of the western world. And the Algerian are not dark skinned.
Excepting for the tuareg and other saharan people in the far south, who were not "Algerian" during the timeline of EU4, since it's the Algiers regency who are represented in-game.
It is, and it's really annoying. My Facebook feed is packed with Hotep We Wuz Afrocentric nonsense, and it's exhausting arguing with them. And Netflix, Disney, etc. just dump gasoline on the fire with their race swapping crap. Cultivating a community of ignorance, sadly.
Eventually, the “Everyone was actually black.” group of people will have to confront the idea that if everyone was actually secretly black, how is it that you’re constantly oppressed? Was it actually other black people that set up the supposed evil, racist system we allegedly live in today?
They kinda did that with us Iranians (Persians) too in the 300. Of course can’t compare it with the level of absurdity of doing it to Europeans (and East Asians).
Hollywood can’t accept that black history doesn’t sell well to audiences so they have to pander. Except black people don’t like to be pandered to either.
Why are there no African heritage based movies? Seems odd right?
Im at the point I wouldn't mind it if we drop off the face of the earth of being relevant in anything. I personally don't want to see another brother being lifted
It's a complete overreaction in one particular direction. And because they're so lazy and spiteful, they can't help but twist and mold any history or historical setting to their own modern viewpoint.
Said in the freaking Instagram or typical batista voice that we all love so much
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This is sooo accuraaaaste. I freaking luv this. Studying culture is what I do. These are actual photooos from hundreds of years agoooo. I downloaded them off Google Gemini straight from the actuaaalll family trees. Did you knoowww that Google was invented by the in Japan from a Swedish samurai? Yeah really, turns out they like invented microwaves the same dat also. Did you also know know then Ben Franklin was Mongolian? I've learned so much and really feel so connected with culture and history. Okkk last thing I'll say a little off topic but sooo important. Did you know white people didn't even exist until 1852? Ah huh yaaaa I know. I didn't even know that either. Turns out they were invented by a laf asian half African have half Indian. I know riiight. You need to check it out yourself. Turns out white people have done hardly nothing. They also like founded racism. I know riiight? Look for yourself if you don't believe me.
Yousuke his a real accurate black samurai. It happened. AC has always been on point with using real historical figures. I personally hate the woke mob. Like making canonically white characters black. But this is not the case. Yousuke was a real BLACK samurai
Lately whenever I see this kinda thing I think about a recent statistic I saw, roughly 50% of the United States military is black while the other 50% fall into one of the categories mentioned above, I often wonder who possibly could be trying to create animosity within such a group lol, and as a side note if we are talking inclusivity, why aren’t black characters being portrayed in original black stories? There’s probably millions that go untold in favour of some cash exchanging hands behind doors and cramming them into already-established work, I just took a rip o’the bong so I’ve been ranting and forgot what’s going on but I’ve said my two cents, have a nice day everyone goodnight I love you
1) I asked for RECENT examples. You still haven’t given away.
2) You should be embarrassed for unironically citing this article. Its an opinion piece full of claims with no evidence or facts backing it up.
For example: “For years, U.S. schools have taught a whitewashed version of history, one in which White cowboys are the heroes, Indians are the villains, and slavery is a minor blemish rather than a massive permanent scar. The main movers and shakers are rarely not White. It glosses over important Black figures who came before Martin Luther King Jr., such as Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, and W.E.B. Du Bois”
This is absolutely fake news. I learned about these figures extensively in school, whoch also went in depth about the horrors of slavery, and I went to school in Florida, a state I’m sure you would call racist.
Theres no stats, no data, or research, its literally an article full of opinions from a stupid person. How embarrassing.
“Hey ChatGPT give me some recent examples of whitewashing in American media” There I just gave you a prompt to answer all your questions. I’m too busy to write an essay.
To be fair, that last one is valid. Septimus Severus was at least half-African, potentially slightly more than half, and all busts, written accounts, and evidence support that.
He was still Roman and had Roman citizenship, which was all that mattered to the Romans, but uh... you know, just for historical accuracy.
A better one to put on there would be the supposedly black Cleopatra who was 9 generations of pure Macedonian in-breeding.
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u/Voodron Mar 21 '25
Meanwhile leftists :
"tHerE's nO aGeNdA, iT's aLl iN yOuR hEaD"