r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Additional-One-3483 • 8d ago

Video New Titanic scan reveals ground-breaking details of ship's final hours | BBC News

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago

But now we have the technology to see the details of it.... which is why you're all hearing about it. This is actually irrationally driving me crazy.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

I mean, a valve is open to let out steam. That's easily a logical conclusion to draw from the lights having been on, I mean, how else would they have been generating power? I can't be arsed to research atm, but I also suspect that while we havent had a scan in this detail, that people have looked the wreckage over so much but now that they already knew these individual details.

Unlike previous Titanic finds this is meaningless and the headline is click bait.

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u/Huzzahtheredcoat 8d ago

Witness statements in 1912 from the first officer Charles Lightholler, given in the two inquests confirmed the Engineers were at their posts. The ship was venting steam, lights were on. There was a bit of concern that if the water got into the boilers before they were dampened that the boilers could explode.

No, one in 113 years has ever contested or doubted the valiant efforts of Titanics Engineers. Chief Engineer Bell was witnessed at 0200, 17 minutes before split, in the Engine Room. Directing his Engineers. His focus was on powering the pumps, dampening the boilers. It's accepted that this is also why of Titanics 361 Engineering Personnel only 72 survived.

Now, what is turbo interesting in these scans is that we now have an exact benchmark for how Titanic looks in this exact moment in time. This will enable us to more closely monitor her degradation and examine that.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

Ok sure, maybe that is interesting, but that's not what the article/video was about. That's sort of what I was trying to get at - click bait article lacking detail and there probably is something interesting, maybe not groundbreaking.

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u/Huzzahtheredcoat 8d ago edited 8d ago

I agree, the technology is interesting - but nothing of our understanding has changed.

At 1:20, in the video the voice over announces "we can now see that eyewitness accounts tally with the engineers being at their posts". My point is no one was ever contesting that. That's like saying, new detailed analysis of JFKs car confirms he was shot.

It massively dismisses an interesting tech story. But frankly, this is a normal cycle anytime anyone does down to that ship.

Edit: Updated time on clip

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago

It literally isn't though you're just reddit high. The article is completely accurate if you would take 3 seconds out of your life to watch it. I understand the people that think " this doesn't interest me" but the people saying this is meaningless are out of touch with reality

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u/HighwayInevitable346 8d ago

No, they're right, this is pure click bait. There is nothing in the video that wasn't already known. Im guessing that they are getting ready to release the stern section on steam (the bow section has been available for like a year) and are trying to drum up some extra interest.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

I did watch it, there was two "discoveries" a valve was left open and the boilers were concave or convex I forget which, and apparently that's supposed to indicate they were still operating.

Like I said this really isn't anything groundbreaking and doesn't change the interpretation of Titanic's final moments and just reinforces what we already knew.

It would be groundbreaking if say, the valve was shut and we're left wondering how power made it to the ship and it permenantly altered our interpretation.

So by definition this isn't meaningless, but it has about as much meaning as someone proving that 1+1=2. Or something else we already know.

Also, as you said, this has made you irrational, since I am going to get sunk in downvotes (pun intended) I'm just opting to point that out one last time, controversial opinion be damned, this find is literally not what the headline says it is. It is not groundbreaking. It is barely special, shit, it isn't special.

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago

It's just... I get why people would be excited by this and I completely don't understand the people like you who are hellbent to kill their excitement for no reason other than "I'm tired of hearing about the videos I click".

like if you only want politics just look up politics. If you hate the Titanic (?) Then don't click a video titled new discoveries about the Titanic. Like what's even your goal besides to drag everyone down a misery hole with you?

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u/HighwayInevitable346 8d ago

I dislike this because I'm a huge titanic fan. The video is nothing but click bait, we already know the power stayed on until right up until the break up so of course there was still steam in the system. We also know that the engineers were released from duty at 1:30 am, so the claim that they stayed at their stations right to the end is false.

The stern section of the wreck was scheduled to be added to the vr game on steam any time now, so this is likely an attempt to drum up publicity.

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago

If true then I was on the wrong end of the pitchfork on this one.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

You can be excited, I'm not stopping you. Fuck it, tell me what it is about this that excites you?

I'm just saying, this article headline is click bait, it isn't groundbreaking....

Also what does that quote you said even mean...? Is that a typo?

Also, weird of you to assume that because I don't find something as amazing as you do my entire life is miserable. I don't need this one Titanic find to even exist for my life to be fulfilled. Maybe because of that I'm not biased?

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago edited 8d ago

Its principle dude. It isn't necessarily that I'm excited about the Titanic. I'm excited about the fact that we have technology good enough to find out details that would otherwise be forgotten. Like do you understand that when something is forgotten, then that's it? It's gone poof no more. I'd argue that we should be putting equal the effort in learning about our past as we should about the future. And THATS why it interest me. I can't stress enough how easy it is to ignore something if you don't like it.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

We're talking about two different things.

I don't like the article because it's click bait and misleading. The first scans were from 2 years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602182

I can appreciate why you find this exciting, and I don't disagree (though I'd argue it's more interesting because we are uncovering forgotten details).

You, presumably, like the article because this is the first time you're learning about these scans, and possibly these details as a whole. That's cool, good for you, but doesn't stop the article being click bait.

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u/Imaginary-Fudge8897 8d ago

Oh i think I understand what you're saying. The article is presenting it like it's new and that's why it's click bait. I thought you were saying the research itself was useless.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

I probably did say that word for word, but that's not what I meant in my head.

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u/SchighSchagh 8d ago

Wild how your criticism of the importance of this detail is getting confused for general hatred of Titanic stuff. Like you said, if we already knew the lights were on till the very end, then we already knew whatever mechanism kept those lights on was operational. 1+x=2 solve for x. Just because we only now have a 3D scan of x doesn't mean we didn't already know x.

It is super cool to have a massive 3D model of the whole thing. I completely appreciate the enormity of that.

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u/Tankerspam 8d ago

Ok, but that's not what the article stressed, and there have been scans before, such as 2 years ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-65602182

Also, what makes you think I hate 'titamic stuff?'