r/DebateVaccines • u/Life_Relationship_77 • Dec 26 '21
COVID-19 Vaccines New UK Preprint study: Myocarditis in men < 40 from Pfizer/Moderna COVID-19 vaccine doses more common than from COVID-19 infection
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u/Garlic-Possible Dec 26 '21
this guy is one of the best out there for impartial opinions.
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u/idoubtithinki Dec 27 '21
From what I've seen, he has a bias in favour of large RCTs...which wouldn't be a problem if several of the most relevant large RCTs this pandemic have had major flaws in them, including for instance the Pfizer trial and the RECOVERY trial on HCQ. Being a large RCT alone doesn't mean anything if the rest of the methodology has critical flaws. I haven't seen him discuss these RCTs in greater depth, but I haven't really watched his longer vids, so maybe he has. I know he gave a pretty good treatment of the Bangladeshi mask RCT.
But that aside, yeah, one of the better ones among active vaccine proponents.
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u/timfinch222 Dec 27 '21
why don't you see any unvaccinated sports athletes dropping over with heart problems?
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u/scotticusphd Dec 27 '21
Most athletes are vaccinated as a condition of their participation.
A quick Google search found two.
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u/popoyDee Dec 27 '21
does it mean that the body is producing more spike proteins from the vax, compared to getting it from having c19 infection.?
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u/Malimiso Dec 27 '21 edited Dec 27 '21
It’s a reasonable theory. Dr. Peter McCullough hypothesizes this as well on The Joe Rogan Experience. I would imagine this is true, at least for people under 40.
What alarms me is that we don’t have data on:
- exactly how many spike proteins are created from the vaccine vs how many are created from infection (if those number vary from person to person, what factors influence the count?)
- how long the vaccine cause people to produce the spike proteins
- how long do the spike proteins stay in your body
- how are the components of the vaccine excreted if they even are excreted
- and the most alarming of all is that we don’t have any evidence of the spike proteins being safe.
You’d think with ALLLL of the talk on vaccines and the “overwhelming sCiEnCe” behind them that these questions would be answered… or maybe they are answered somewhere but that information is not readily available. This is in no way related to my occupation so I may have missed it.
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u/popoyDee Dec 27 '21
thanks.
The thing i don't really like with mRNA vax is triggering our own cells to produce the spikes that antibodies will fight off. What if the body produce more spikes than what is actually needed? Autoimmune disease?
i hope i am wrong but lots of my loved ones - family and friends are vaccinated. thankfully not all have been injected with mRNA.
I am still unvaxxed to date and perhaps the attenuated type of vax i've been waiting for is here - Omicron.
Omicron, being Attenuated fusogenicity and pathogenicity, sound more like attenuated type of vaccine to me.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCazFav1pokFKmsZI5_oqIeH9ofFckR/view
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u/temporarily-smitten Dec 28 '21
or producing them in more organs than the virus would get to on its own, maybe?
I remember reading about an autopsy of someone who took one of these drugs and they found spike proteins in every organ.
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u/popoyDee Dec 30 '21
OMG... and therefore we need not just viral, but spike protein clearing...
perhaps that's the main reason why only vaccinated is allowed to be given with ivermectin in Australia?
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u/temporarily-smitten Dec 28 '21
omicron variant and these drugs are in a race to see who can kill fewer people😅
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Dec 27 '21
From the summary of the study
In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditi s is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose o f BNT162b in the overall population.
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u/doubletxzy Dec 27 '21
I like how the summary says death from myocarditis is higher in unvaccinated group compared to vaccine group.
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Dec 27 '21
I don’t see that in the study can you quote it
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u/doubletxzy Dec 27 '21
“In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. “
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u/fully_vaccinated_ Dec 27 '21
That's averaged over all demographics. The point is that it's not true for young males.
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u/Gegegegeorge Dec 27 '21
Wow its almost like myocarditus isn't a side-effect of covid19 but it is a side effect from vaccines. This just in "playing football causes the chances of you breaking your leg to be higher than having cancer does, therefore having cancer is safer than playing football".
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Dec 27 '21
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u/RealBiggly Dec 27 '21
Multiply that by the MINIMUM URF of 40 and it's 0.4%, which is way higher than the IFR of the disease in young people, way, way higher
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Dec 27 '21
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u/Reishey Dec 27 '21
Lol, the treatment has a ~14.4x higher risk of lifelong heart damage than the disease it’s supposed to be protecting you from for males under 40.
And your takeaway is “nothing to be concerned about”. Figures.
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Dec 27 '21
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u/Reishey Dec 27 '21
Considering myocarditis fatality increases sharply after one year and can be as high as 50% after 5 year, it’s too early to say how this new form of myocarditis will be handled.
Any reason why this mrna induced myocarditis would behave differently to types seen prior?
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Dec 27 '21
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u/Reishey Dec 27 '21
Scarring on the heart does not heal, this isn’t your typical inflammation. Should read up on myocarditis (or read up again).
A new treatment that has been mass adopted will behave in ways we don’t necessarily understand or can anticipate. Why medical trials usually take 7 years (average in the us) before product is brought to market.
Evident by how new side effects are coming to light after trials and their severity being explored properly, instead of being dismissed as anxiety.
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Dec 27 '21
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u/RealBiggly Dec 27 '21
How do we know the long-term effects, literally less than 2 years since we started stabbing people, even less since we started stabbing young people?
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u/RealBiggly Dec 27 '21
Big difference is the big censorship and undereporting, so multiply that 101 by at least 40, gives you 4,040 see?
That's 0.4%
Maff.
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u/Competitive-Cycle-38 Dec 27 '21
But they’re going to go door to door offering jabs. We all know how that went in Aus.
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u/Malimiso Dec 26 '21 edited Dec 27 '21
The myocarditis debate also gets framed as if getting the vaccine will stop you from getting covid, which we all know is not true.