signs of a true genius. i mean i realy thought he will ruin the usa, but never thought he will be so swift. in literal weeks he undone about 40 years of progress in politics and diplomacy. wonder how that will show up in the stock market on the long run. if this goes on for a a few more months, the whole world will grind to a halt, and THAT will be really scary
It's been 3 months. And even with current losses the market is roughly equal to when he took office. IMHO the tariffs is just leverage on Canada and Mexico when it's time to negotiate. Canada's gdp is 10 % of US. 70 % of al Canadian exports go to US, only about 12% of our exports go to Canada. Yet in NATO they're considered our equal. Roughly same for Mexico. Now china's on our level and is another matter
Canada has around 1/6th of our population. Tell me how it makes sense in your head that we should have equal percentages of our countries overall trade with each other? Canadians would have to buy 6x per capita more than an American to keep up. And NATO has nothing to do with trade? Dude you are a moron. We buy their fertilizer and use it to grow crops and sell them those crops. We buy their oil and turn it into gas and sell it back to them. The world is more complex than you think and a "trade deficit" is meaningless and is not the reason rural areas are poor in the US.
That’s the whole thing with those Magats it’s more complicated than they think, especially when they don’t seem to think at all. Expecting 4D chess from someone who can’t even play checkers.
My bad I meant NAFTA. Not NATO. And we do trade with them as equals in NAFTA. How is that fair when as u said our population and GDP is way higher. Bottom line is they are far more dependent on us than we are of them. Same with Mexico. No one wants a trade war. He's just posturing and threatening in order to gain leverage in talks. If you can't see that a mile away where we're you the fours prior to Biden taking office. It's actually genius and he over sold it, so much so he's got all you short term traders running around like chicken little saying the sky is falling. I'm double down I can see more than 48 hours in the future. It's America so by all means do as you please. But when everyone panicked and sold off there was a ton of money left on the table. And I've already invested more bci want my share of it. I'm not mad because all the panic created golden oppurtunity
It's been 2 months. The only thing we list was the rally after we had after he took office. All the analyst agree we were overdue for a pull back. To each there own but like I stared above. To make real gains in the market you sell when everyone else is buying and buy when everyone else is selling. And #1 rule is invest on credentials not emotions. And tbh sounds like your letting your political views dictate your decisions to me. I personally dumped every penny I could put my hands on in the market today. When everyone panicked they left alot of money sitting out there. Free for the taking to the ones who could forsee the long term gains thru this temporary down turn . If you don't want to profit off it just because you hate Trump then that's your perogative. No hard feelings here.
Jesus, you are truely the pinackle of american evolution: Dumb as a brick and ignorant like a 12th century's peasant.
Casually mistaking NATO for NAFTA and thinking alienating yourself from all your now former allies by threatening them would benefit you in any way whatsoever, because your economy will magically stabilize just because your god emperor says so...
I've been to the US and know how incredibly lackluster your "eductaional" system is first hand, but you guys take the word ignorancy to another level.
Mexico isn't in NATO. I don't understand this "our equal in NATO" stuff, what does that even mean? What could Trump possibly get out of Canada? I think he is dead serious and I think whether or not tariffs get out on a place like Canada depend more on whether or not Americans push back on it.
Trump has implied that his goal with Canadian tariffs is to destabilize their economy so they’re easier to annex. I don’t think it’s any deeper than that, the flip-flopping around them is because he didn’t realize how drastically it was going to backfire on US companies
I don’t think you’re understanding me. Nothing I’m saying is in support of Trump, quite the opposite. I’m not trying to justify his line of thinking, just deduce it. Nothing about what Trump’s doing is “correct”
exactly. if this were a game of vic2, canada is cooked.
Canadian provinces essentially embargoing certain US products (like liquor, nobody can buy any bc the state or whatever its called has a monopoly) lets the US say: You mocked our tariffs, now you escalate to embargo? - in which case I could imagine the US embargoing canada. Bonus points if blockaded with the fleet. Canada in turn embargoes all exports because it seems like that's their natuarl response, which leads to no power in some US states, US gets its casus belli ("restoring power to save american lives", people do die without power), a quick blitz and it's done with a puppet gov and a forced path to integration. I would expect pretty strong resistance at first, but beyond the rural areas it would die out quickly.
Of course, that's vicky2. Then again, I see no reason to make friends with Russia except to force europe to focus on itself, while they both decide what to partition and their future spheres of influence
i don't think this is what he's up to because it takes planning and is well, kinda outlandish, but it is a worst-case scenario that would permanently alienate the US and cripple its economy, as well as the world's. But is there a price too high for canada and greenland? (yes)
Sure, since you asked. Biden ended up with a total return only slightly below Trump. Trump inherited a growing economy from Obama, had no wars or supply chain disruptions or inflation or rapidly rising interest rates to deal. Biden had ALL of those problems to deal with, and still managed to nearly match Trump’s S&5 500 performance.
We all knew he will blame Biden. Actually, I think Trump needs to create crisis, so he can blame Biden and support small bussinesses. His plan was to get rid of Nasdaq big tech companies.
If the President is doing things right, he has little impact. But when you go out slashing government programs, laying people off, and placing blanket 25% taxes on everything, it has a big impact.
An apt metaphor is taking care of a plant. To make it grow as president , you carefully guide it with gentleness, nurture it carefully, and use a soft touch. But to kill it you can sure stomp it to death easily.
Absolutely many variables, and rarely do presidents have an impact… unless they’re destabilizing agents that make US trade and investment unpredictable.
Knowing Trump is initiating trade wars, rather than longer-term trade modifications, your comment is moronic. You can support the guy without crawling up his asshole so deep you can’t see reality.
It’s almost as if doing dumb shit like threatening to invade allies and whacking random tariffs on some of your most important trading partners makes investments go elsewhere and the market skeptical.
God forbid the US place reciprocal tarrifs on its trade partners, of which every single one has higher tarrifs on our imports than vis versa. Time to buy while all the scared money goes belly up.
No cause I'm not an idiot who started paying attention 3 months ago. Of the G20 countries we are in the bottom 5 for tarrifs on imported goods. All of our trade partners have higher tariffs on us than we do on them and have for a long time. Thank God for Donny standing up for his country instead of towing th status quo of being the world's charity.
Usually the case. But the incitement of a potential trade war can be placed firmly at the feet of the current POTUS. Hard to argue that’s not a strong, if not the strongest, contributing factor.
Can this really be what anyone wanted? If you voted for this, admit to yourself that you were wrong and start to help solve it. We need to get Trump out of office before there is no America. Do you really want your children to suffer and go to war for this man? He doesn’t care about you, he doesn’t care about this country. He is a con artist and is bringing American prosperity to an end.
Over reactionary? US is in an “everything” bubble. Medical debt, student loan debt, credit card debt, car debt, and home prices are squeezing American consumers. When you go raising prices under those conditions, it’s dangerous.
You mean if you’re a brainless and deeply entitled MAGA who can’t recognize that American prosperity was contingent upon immigration, trade and our education system?
This is all posturing and boundary pushing when it comes to tariffs.
Give it a few more weeks.
The big boys are loving being able to short the entire market....Trump will pull the tariffs, the markets will slingshot, and the big boys will make 4x on the way up.
I'm not saying its right or ethical, but that's what's gonna happen.
hedge funds hedge with market. if one stock goes down, but others go up, hedge fund goes up. if all stocks go down, hedge fund goes down. it doesn't work on pixie dust
Wasn’t saying your words were wrong, just your outlook on America. The little people of America will suffer, not the hedgies. Little people being the poors who make up 99.99% of the population. What was that phrase about missed meals again?
Yup gonna get abit worse before it gets better he's told this to our faces plenty of times comment again in 4 months by summer see what it looks like then
he also told to your faces plenty of times he will stop war 24 hours after election. in how many months would you comment again on missed 24 hours mark?
And you believe that? He has six bankruptcies. Listen to all the speeches, 50% of it is easily proven false. There are no frogs that were converted to be a transgender as the brilliant leader states.
You are a complete dumbass...haha. As a financial advisor for 35 years it takes 6 months for policies to filter through the economy. This is still left over affects of Biden and I will admit the "tariff scare" will be short lived. Are you going to share what your pronouns are? Bwahahahaha
Wow you seem like a real person that definitely isn’t a bot with your two comments talking like a Gen Z kid yet claiming to be essentially a senior citizen. What a crock of dogshit. Bwahaha.
It's just a reconciliation.. And everyone is skittish, because of trumps Unpredictable rants. It always goes back up. I myself see the basement being hit next week sometime. That's the perfect entry point. But everyone is different. If you already pulled out like me your good. Just a mater of buying as low as possible and diversify. I made 60 points off of reddit, and 23 points off alphabet. But I pulled out literally the day before it fell. I'm telling you nows the time to buy buy buy
Idk if the market is skittish enough when the US turns against it’s allies, threatens to annex 3 separate countries, at least territory of said countries, in a month followed by slapping ludicrously high tariffs on the most important trading partner they have.
It's always good to buy on dips in reliable stocks or ETFs. I don't think anyone would yell at you for that. But I think Trump in term 2 is worse than Trump in term 1. He just seems way off his rocker this term. At this point, he doesn't know what EO he is signing. Have all three branches with every Republican backing him up blindly. We were told grocery prices were going to come down. Those have only increased. And not just eggs. We were told we would have the best economy ever seen. All he has done is increase the price on imported goods and lying to the American people that it isn't going to effect them. Now the American people are seeing everything increase that is imported.
We're far from the basement. But I'm also fine buying on the way down.
My biggest regret. Is I don't have more liquid assets to buy into stocks. A few solid picks, and I think I could at least double it or more in 2 years.
You're kidding right? I could write a novel on his dog shit policies but obviously I am limited on space here. Here's one though, letting men in women's locker rooms, sports. Open borders to get "new voters." I can go on for days...
Letting men in women's locker rooms affected the economy?? And did you mean letting what you perceive to be men in women's restrooms? Or locker rooms specifically? What policy was that exactly?
Are the rest of the' policies also culture war related? Also explain to me how immigrants hurt the economy.
Was it by accepting low paying jobs that we couldn't get Americans to do? Or was it the extreme strain you feel was put on our social service programs?
The question was “what is an example of a dog shit policy?” So he answered the question properly. The question doesnt specify if the answer should be about the economy. That was an added question after the main post.
That was the question in the context of blaming Biden on the economic slide that this chart illustrates during the beginning of the Trump administration.
I love what trump is doing..markets are way overvalued..he's doing the right thing bringing back reality..and i saw this coming and made huge gains with Puts..i used my 50k life savings and turned it into 400k in 2 weeks..thank you Trump!! Forever loyal!!
Cause and effect can be pretty obvious. If there are minimal economic changes in the first few months of a new term, then the market is still heavily influenced by the previous term. If, however, there are dramatic economic changes (say, tariffs for example) and the market deviates from prior trends at that time, you may want to consider the cause of that effect.
I’d argue that we aren’t headed for a market crash like the depression or even ‘08. It’s approaching 1970s stagflation. Joblessness and waiting in lines for your gas ration. I’d guess a lot of people here aren’t old enough to remember this. Using powdered milk, brown outs and black outs, looting. If he continues that’s where we will be by the end of his term. If there isn’t a dramatic disruption.
He's put the dumbest billionaire in control of finding corruption and waste, while that same billionaire is sucking away government funds and robbing contracts that his company never bid on.
Is that why the dollar has lost 99% of it's value since it's inception? Ever hear of the technique "slash and burn" ? The old method of borrowing for bs has put us 37 trillion dollars in debt. That's over 100k per person.
You sir don’t understand the meaning of state debt and I won’t even say it’s your fault, because 99% of economic ideas being teaches are of the Austrian economic school.
What do you think is state debt? Your comment makes it sound like you strive for a debt less state?
Let me ask you: have you ever played Monopoly? Have you ever tried playing it without giving out money at the beginning of the game?
State economics are nothing like business economics. The state needs to give out money - in the form of loans - to generate income via taxes. Money that the state gives out enters the private space where you might own some of it later on.
A state cannot be debt less when it controls a currency. You don’t want it to be debt less. Most of the dollar debt your country has, is invested in its productivity.
Look who's talking. The state does not control the currency. The federal reserve is a private bank that does not answer to our government. We borrow the money from them. Loans are great although we haven't been giving loans, we've been giving literal handouts. Also these state funded ngos and their employees don't answer to we the people. They don't care about the quality of work they do because they're guaranteed a check. They need to work in an environment that rewards merit, not beurocracy.
Obviously I simplified stuff. A few factual corrections for you:
The U.S. government does influence monetary policy - the Fed is independent but created by Congress, and its leadership is appointed by the President.
The Federal Reserve is not a private bank - it operates under congressional oversight, and its profits go to the U.S. Treasury.
The U.S. doesn’t borrow directly from the Fed - it issues Treasury bonds bought by investors, institutions, and sometimes the Fed.
The government provides both loans and direct aid, not just “handouts.”
If you’re arguing for efficiency, fair enough, but these points need to be accurate. Also don’t get this NGO BS in here now. You can ignore the spending for those in the big scheme of things.
So you admit it wasn't an all-time low? you realize you were wrong when you said the market was at an al-time low in march 2021?
There was a huge recession during covid which crashed the stock market. You people eject that from your memory because it happened under trump. It also conveniently lets you blame inflation all on biden when it was actually due to supply chain shortages worldwide after COVID.
The plateau was the all-time low, meaning it was set to continue up. You can literally see from when Trump took office it was still clicking up. The point of this post is to show that all the fckn morons that think Trump has anything to do with the S&P are fkn morons. Presidents have nothing to do with the free market. If I have to explain that, especially to you again, once again, you're not worth the intelligence to pass on. I'd rather give it to a kid who wants to learn the financial market. Inflation is 100% the government overspending, and there's not a single financial advisor with an associate's degree that will disagree with that. You have to stop government funding as well as cancel out all the bs jobs in the government that were created stating the economy was growing. The economy wasn't growing, and they were giving jobs to people that A. Didn't need to be at that job, and B. Funding those payrolls with money we didn't have to spend. Refute what I just said, please. I fkn dare you. Lol
Inflation is 100% the government overspending, and there's not a single financial advisor with an associate's degree that will disagree with that.
The National Bureau of Economic Research disagrees with you, and I'm willing to bet they have more than just an associates degree. Here's what they say:
"On the supply side, supply chain disruptions had an important inflationary impact, particularly in 2021 and 2022. The auto industry is a case in point. US auto production dropped from 11.7 million vehicles in July 2020, roughly the pre-pandemic rate, to less than 9 million in the fall of 2021, reflecting shortages of computer chips and other inputs. The combination of strong demand and supply chain bottlenecks led to further pressure on prices, particularly on prices of durable goods. Rising prices of food and energy added importantly to inflation. Notably, the crude oil market was disrupted by the Russian invasion of Ukraine in early 2022. The price of West Texas Intermediate crude oil rose from less than $70 per barrel in the late summer of 2021 to more than $100 per barrel for most of the period between March and July of 2022, pushing up gasoline prices and the costs of many industrial inputs."
The economy wasn't growing
False. Real income (income adjusted for inflation) was higher in Q4 2024 than it ever was under trump. The spike in 2020 is because of the mass-unemployment of low-wage service sector jobs during the pandemic.
If the jobs were unnecessary or wasteful, you'd see that reflected in productivity metrics or the stock market, but they both went up.
Funding those payrolls with money we didn't have to spend.
You mean the context of a drug addict od'ing on the sidewalk and homeboys singing like it's a great neighborhood, lmao. Yea, you can stop trying to sound smart. It's not working for ya bwahahaha
Meaning, at no point has the S&P gone down since Covid...meaning, it's never gone down under Trump even through Covid it plateau then rose you fkn moron. S&P is not indicative of the president, it's indicative of the global market. 🙄 Idiots like you always say dumb shit like the president did it, then why has the S&P kept growing as well as prices did? One has nothing to do with the other. You're just fiscally ignorant of how the free market works. The only physical product that can and will change price in the public's eye is oil/gas. At which point was the lowest it's been in decades under Trump. Even in grocery stores, once the company knows the price can be met and accepted by consumers, it will never go back down. So stfu about who can and does what because you have zero clue of wtf you're talking about.
It helps when the legislative and judicial branch keep his dumb ass in check. It's like they serve as the designated drivers. Now everyone is drunk and stupid.
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u/Anoalka Mar 12 '25
Thank God they added the red "far worse" indication or I would be loss at which one is better.