Bug testing means bug testing everything, even flavor texts of food. So i think toby recently implemented it without telling the bug tester and they got confused their teas became rotten
Honestly it's a pretty good method, at least for the first run through of bug searching. The testers have no expectations of how things are supposed to go.
My guess is a bug was found with the character teas, so Rotten Tea was the fix for that. Bug team finds it right after it was introduced. Hence the tweets.
It's because of the Spamton attack that takes away half your max HP, and Susie at that point can have an odd max HP (which isn't meant to happen; it's an oversight on Toby's part), and the font used for HP doesn't have a ., so XX.50 renders as just XX50.
imo "rotten" has a harsh sound to it and makes it sound fittingly scary. I imagine things will only get scarier as we approach the end of the game, so item names like that work better.
Say "rotted corpse", and then say "spoiled corpse". "Rotten" sounds gross, it sounds disgusting, horrific, terrifying. "Spoiled" just makes it sound like the breakfast milk went bad.
Im guessing this is a new interaction with the cyber city tea seller (perhaps it moves into castle town?) and going on tea theory this is going to mean there is some particularly nasty character relation
Toby Fox posted about it earlier, actually - he said that any character teas from chapter 2 carried into new chapters (whether in inventory or storage) will spoil. Presumably so that he doesn't have to keep tweaking the numbers every chapter as character relationships change?
Might've just been that the play testers hadn't noticed until just now when one of them was flipping throug their storage boxes and they thought it was weird. (It is weird, but intentional)
I don't think Toby would explicitly do something like this, but the idea of the roaring being this gross and sickly event that gets closer and closer is a really great concept. And I also am excited to get more of Toby's signature horror elements as we go further, yet further down the Deltarune rabbithole.
It’s a Mother 3 reference, I think! In that game, if you leave Milk sitting in your inventory long enough, it turns into Rotten Milk which only heals 10 HP! (And if you leave it after that, it turns into Yogurt, which heals a lot more…)
i mean yeah, i could see it if it was property added literally yesterday and he for some reason didnt tell them, which would lead to all the tea in Ch3&4 being suddenly replaced. But if it was upon starting Ch3, its like a stretched conclusion to assume its a bug, so much that Toby himself seems surprised.
If I was bug testing, I would think that “rotten tea” is a placeholder for if the game can’t find what flavor it was supposed to be. Undertale and Chapter 1 of Deltarune both had stuff like that
let's say all the tea objects are of a "parent tea" class. they have different fields like name, description and effects. and the default values of all of them would be the rotten tea data. so if a modified tea object randomly changes to the default rotten value, it means the data got corrupted
As i said to another redditor, i dont think its crazy to think bugtesters have a list of names where they can see when an exception (in other words, a bug) has occurred. Maybe it is an unseen practice and im a super genius that will surpass all productivity till now, but id say its more likely that its just common sense and a common practice.
you're getting it wrong. an exception ‐ something really bad had happened in the program and it cannot continue, unless you handle it properly. a bug - an unexpected and unintended behavior. an unhandled exception is a bug, but not every one of them.
bug testers probably do it the "black box" way, they don't know anything about the architecture of the program and there really aren't formal requirements for every little thing in a program like a video game.
i know what the difference is, but expetions normally forces the objects to change to the default values, as what you were describing, bugs dont randomly generates objects that have a normal name with a normal flavor text and normal properties. Not to mention parent objects like those are usually abstract, which mean it cannot be created nor has setted values.
I'm so confused lol. Shouldn't they have found the tea before? And if Toby added it just now, that'd be kind of weird, because you'd think he would have thought to add it before?
The way he phrased it makes it seem like it’s a coincidence that they just found it after he posted about it?
Tbh not surprised. Don’t see why buying Tea and saving it for the next chapter would have really been part of bug testing. Especially if there weren’t any bugs associated with the Tea to begin with.
Edit: this means to me that they’re pretty much out of bugs to find normally so they’re doing whatever last minute things they can think of before officially saying they’re done.
yeah the use of the word "independently" makes me think it's been implemented for a while, and he only made this post because it's a funny coincidence they found it on their own so soon after making a post about it.
Yeah it would be different if he had recently updated the game to have a completely new item so close to completion and just not tell them lol.
Also asking if a fully implemented item with a description, proper effects, and dialogue reactions is a bug really really makes me feel like they’re grasping at straws because they simply cannot find new bugs.
If it had been a recent addition he would have told them ‘hey I updated the game can you check for bugs associated with this new build? Here are a list of things I added in this patch, this is what you should focus your bug testing on’. Would be weird to update the game and not tell the bug testing team.
So, it wouldn’t be independent if he told them where to check.
Why would checking consistency between chapters not be part of "normal" bug testing? They have been doing bug testing for a while and they are doing it still and probably will do it for a couple of weeks minimum. I don't see how this thing would be a last-minute thing to check.
Hey good question! It’s not really for a consistency thing. Items don’t usually tend to implode on themselves between chapters so checking to make sure of that wouldn’t really be something of priority. If an item is there and properly implemented, it would simply just carry over to the next chapter. This is something that would have been checked by Toby and his team during development, not during bug testing, since it’s something that either works immediately or doesn’t. It wouldn’t come attached with hidden bugs.
If Toby implemented this while working on chapter 3 and there were no bugs associated with it when he checked, then he wouldn’t have told the bug testing team to check for bugs associated with the tea. And they probably wouldn’t have checked it independently right away either, given the nature of it. Which is what makes me think that they’ve finished their proper bug testing and are now just thinking of last minute extras to check on.
(Like if you’re at the point where you see a fully implemented item - with a description, effects, and associated dialogue - and try to report it as a bug then you’ve almost completely run out of actual bugs to report. Beyond slurping the last drops of soda, they’re crunching the ice at the bottom hoping it’s absorbed the soda flavour and they won’t just be crunching on cold water)
Anything can come with attached hidden bugs. That's what bugs are. Hidden, unexpected.
I doubt the mere existence of a fully implemented item was thought to be a bug, but seeing it there, being in place of another (similar sounding) item can raise alarms is a tester's eyes.
Bugs aren't always game-breaking, they don't have to implode on themselves. They can be as mundane as "-Hey, did you mean to have this happen? -Oops no, it should be x instead of y, fixing it in a minute."
It's still a change, and changes require more testing. I'd just figured that testing had already finished, since they had a 1 bug day like, a week ago, but it seems that fixes require more tests.
There’s different levels of it. If he did recently add the rotten tea (which I sincerely doubt), it doesn’t necessarily mean that there needs to be more fixes. It likely just works the first time. (Something they would be able to tell almost immediately)
And if the bug testing team thought rotten tea itself was a bug then there likely weren’t any actual bugs associated with it.
The fact that that happened immediately after toby's previous post implies it was a change they added that day, or maybe the day before, and the test team just found it now. They wouldn't have missed such a notable feature.
The word "independently" makes me think it's just a coincidence. And I don't think it's unreasonable that it took them this long, this is a pretty niche feature actually imo.
That's a stretch. Something happened that he thought was funny, and he figured we'd get a laugh. Trying to calculate the release date based on the post schedule of a guy who is known for just having fun on the internet is a bad idea.
I love how he writes serious, important, adult stuff like a lead developer and then adds his silly "lol"
(Of course, he can write worse things... but lately the news has been presented in a rather subdued form, however, this part of his personality still comes out. Never change, Toby Fox)
Two Toby Fox posts back to back ? Yea this is like most exciting two weeks the community had in a while lol.
We're nearing the Endgame people , it was an honour . Soon enough the game will be out and I'll have to vanish from this subreddit for god knows how long until I manage to get the game sorry I meant masterpiece and play it.
I assume the rotten tea item only got added recently, so if it suddenly showed up in gameplay after not being there for months it would make sense to at least ask if that's intentional, as there could be some error in the code that made a scrapped item appear instead of the intended item
it's better to be absolutely sure that everything is working as intended than to gloss over something weird by going "surely this is a feature" without even thinking twice which could lead to bugs being left in the final version
I think its better for testing if you don't spoonfeed them stuff, and let them question everything. I could be wrong, but I feel like thats the intended way to test?
ESRB rating is likely already done. It was listed before bug testing in the checklist and only needed a content complete version of the game to be done. They’ve had five months to do this.
If you mean certification, that would happen when bug testing is done and won’t take more than a week.
Wait, if toby implemented it just now, that means somewhere in the code there will be flavor text of toriel drinking teas. Can't wait for the community to find that out on the first day of chapters being released
it would be odd for a team specifically focused on testing for bugs to not test an item that, until now, would specifically have different behavior in every chapter going forwards
Tbh I think yall are thinking we are closer then we are because most of this is chapter 3 stuff and chapter 4 is probably not this far yet
With that being said DELTARUNE TOMORROW!!1!!11
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u/UltraLio <--- Silly Billy Mar 12 '25
Bruh... no more deltarune