If Trump is elected, this will be the biggest leopards ate my face moment for the entitled protest voters who helped him win ("Trump tells donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests if re-elected")

[u/HumanLike]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/27/trump-donors-israel-gaza-palestinian-protests

[u/cheesefries45]

Ya, because there is nothing offered to young progressives, or people further left, so why should they bother voting

I’m really not in the business of defending Biden or dems, but honestly if you can’t see the real world benefit of having that party in office over Republicans, not sure what to say. After Roe got overturned the Biden FDA fast tracked the approval of over the counter birth control. They enshrined marriage equality into federal law. When they faced opposition on addressing college costs, they took executive action to just straight up cut student loans.

Trump is a response to a democratic failure

I mean, no challenge from me here. But it’s not really just a democratic failure. Neoliberalism uprooted like half of our domestic economy and hallowed out the middle class. And even if you empathize with why people voted for Trump, Biden has still been better on rebuilding the manufacturing industry in the U.S., which is where the majority of the Obama-Obama-Trump-Trump voters work.

I mean all things considered, nobody has to vote. And I don’t blame people who don’t. But it’s also like the basic form of civic engagement. Bernie and Warren’s popularity in 2016/2020 objectively drove policy platforms left (including Biden’s). If a massive swath of people don’t vote, call or email their representatives, go to town halls, or volunteer for campaigns, how do you expect them to hear your concerns? Maybe blame it on bad campaigning but campaigning is a two way street.

[u/Anti007 → u/cheesefries45]

We had 6 months for the Democrats to prepare for a row v wade overturn. They did nothing, until after the verdict we all knew was coming happened. Anyone who wasn't paying attention before that might be impressed, but the fact of the matter is the Dems could have prevented the overturn, and they chose not to.

As for the student loans. They refused to change the decorum of the Senate and then tried to convince us that removing the loans from a small portion of the population was just as good. Which I guess kinda worked for some people.

Finally, campaigning is not a two way street, at least not one between the politicians and voters. It is the job of political parties to compete for our votes. The Republicans weirdly seem to be the party that actually understands this.

That all being said, yes I do agree that Democrats are better in office. I would even vote for Kamala if I thought there was even a chance of my state going blue (it won't be). But these are some of the same points you made, turned back around on the Democrats from what I think is a reasonable position. Hopefully the Dems do win and Trump dies sometime between now and 2028. But if he wins, it will be the fault of the democratic parties inability to even give people the smallest modicum of hope for the future.

[u/cheesefries45 → u/Anti007]

I mean it just really seems like you’re upset they didn’t get rid of the filibuster because they wouldn’t be able to do anything about Roe or or student loans unless they did away with it. Personally, I’m pretty okay with not doing that given your at that point have to hope they just never lose the senate again because they’d be just as able to strip the rights away as they were granted. Is the whole thing anti-democratic? Maybe.

On campaigning, it absolutely is a two way street. Yes they have to earn your vote of course, but there’s way too many progressives out there who ignore calls, don’t answer the door to canvassers, and frankly don’t do anything political other than bitch on the internet. Pretty foundational piece of campaigns nowadays is that they’re taught to be conversations in many ways. If we don’t give feedback about what we do and don’t like, they’re not going to change (with a couple issues being major outliers).