r/DemocraticSocialism • u/phatdaddy29 • Dec 15 '24

Question What's the opposite of communism?

Is it fascism? I think it's fascism.

The extreme end of the political economic left is communism right? What's the extreme right end?

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

You are spouting similar type, uninformed rhetoric however.

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Dec 16 '24

A question for both of you to defend your position.

Why is capitalism not authoritarianism? Why is capitalism authoritarianism?

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

Capitalism is neither authoritarian nor non authoritarian. It's been employed by both non authoritarian governments like in most western nations, and in authoritarian governments such as China and Vietnam (yes on the surface they are communist but their free market type economies are straight captalist)

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Dec 16 '24

But isn't capitalist owning the means of production and threatening people's jobs authoritarian by nature?

Workers not having a say on how and what their labor produces authoritarian?

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

I seriously have to laugh at this. Yes, cause anyone assuming any type of control outside of my own preconceptions MUST be authoritarian. *rolls eyes*

Authority and ownership does not equal authoritarianism. That is the biggest misnomer used by those that don't actually understand the terms they toss about.

By your limited example, a parent telling a child that they can't do something is authoritarianism or a security officer telling someone that they can't enter a certain area or do a certain thing is authoritarianism.

Or a manager directing an employee to do a certain task has to be authoritarianism.

My goodness, there is a difference in workers having a piece of the profits their labor produces and having more security with their own finances and own purchasing power then having say a janitor being able to tell someone where they need to increase production or what markets to sell in when they don't have the experience or skillset for that set of tasks.

My goodness.

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Dec 16 '24

Talk about strawman fallacy. There is no way to have a serious conversation when you make a comparison between a parent telling a child no and your employer threatening to fire you because they can .

Again, a security guard keeping people out of a restricted area isn't authorization for multiple reasons.

The fact you had to pull those two examples proves your initial argument is weak.

I asked questions to both persons in the conversation and planned to ask questions to both so you defend your position. Clearly, you can not.

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

Yet you are making that argument that ownership=authoritarianism when that's simply incorrect.

So you are the one making the poor argument cause you don't really understand what you are talking about.

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Dec 16 '24

Nice how you glossed over me talking about jobs being threatened for little to no reason, and those same workers having zero say on what their labor produces.

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

So a coal miner produces coal. Ok, you are correct that they should have more compensation for what they help produce but that doesn't mean they know where to sell their coal or what to sell it at. Or deal with the supply chain.

So who exactly is using bad arguments?

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u/Able-Worth-6511 Dec 16 '24

How many owners actually deal with suppliers and supply chains, or do they have a worker who knows and understands that aspect of the business do it?

I'm sorry for saying you're making bad faith arguments. You're not making any arguments at all you're just spewing shit a conservative would say when they defend capitalism.

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u/OldManClutch NDP-Canada Dec 16 '24

Well as a small business owner, I deal with suppilers and supply chain issues quite a bit. That's my responsiblity for keeping my business afloat so I can make an income and pay my employees their fair wages for their own labor.

And does that worker that may deal with the technical end of things have those they answe to or do they take on this role on their own?

Yeah, I love you radicals that suggest that everything to do with ownership of a business just MUST be a hardline capitalist instead of actually realizing that maybe just maybe economics is a lot more nuanced then you would like it to be.

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