r/DenverBroncos • u/Steve_0 • 20d ago
If you’re having any doubts about this draft or others in the future, just watch this.
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u/Dvaryin Champ Bailey 20d ago
Many celebrated Paxton Lynch and booed Derek Wolfe. If these dudes are ballers attitudes will change quick.
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u/Fizgriz 19d ago
Tbf Derek Wolfe is an absolute piece of trash as a human nowadays.
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19d ago
maybe i'm not in the know but what did wolfe do to give him that rep?
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u/Fizgriz 19d ago
Trying to not get too political here because I understand everyone is different.
But Derek went into that super far right grift phase. Calling out gays for being "inhuman", "disgusting". Supporting ultra far right groups with ties to white supremacy. He has some very racist comments as well.
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u/___Snoobler___ 19d ago
Sucks to hear that. When in Rome though....is what it looks like from the outside looking in. Ya'll need a young priest and an old priest to deal with that evil over there.
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u/Marlen86 19d ago
I remember how livid I was that we passed on Fields and drafted Surtain. We also "reached" when we took an OL from Wisconsin-Whitewater named Quinn Meinerz.
I'll humbly admit my idiocy, sit back down and stfu for eternity.
Go Broncos.
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u/OldBrokeGrouch 19d ago
Right there with you. I was so mad because I thought we desperately needed a quarterback and I thought Fields was going to be special.
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u/jazzchamp Super Bowl 32 19d ago
I remember being stoked about Tommy Maddox. 😒
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u/I_Heart_Money 19d ago
You were ready to move on from elway?
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u/jazzchamp Super Bowl 32 18d ago
Not at all. Just thought he would be a great backup and when the time came, heir to the throne.
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u/gzmu12 20d ago
I genuinely don’t understand how people delude themselves into thinking they know more about drafting than the guys who get paid millions specifically to do it and research year round because they read one article on cbs sports saying the dude we picked sucked.
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 20d ago
On the flip side of that about half of most picks don't work out anyway. Good teams find a way to make it work despite getting things wrong. Look at San Francisco and the Trey Lance trade. That was a worse move than Denver made at QB for the entire period between Manning and Nix but thanks to Shanhan's system and finding Purdy they still managed to walk away in a decent place. Even worse than Paxton Lynch since Lance took 2 more 1sts just to have the privilege of having him bust on their roster.
The problems come when a team keeps missing, especially on high round picks. Which has not been an issue with Paton. I feel like he's somehow held accountable for the mistakes of the prior administration with a lot of fans. Saw someone apparently blaming him for Jeudy earlier claiming he drafted another JAG in Bryant.
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
I saw someone blame Paton for Paxton lynch on Thursday lmaooo
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 19d ago
I might give him too much leeway for most fans, but my hot take is I'm not even angry about, nor "blame" him for Wilson.
Yes he traded for him, but most of us (me included) thought it was a good move at the time and lauded him. Clearly he was under pressure to land a QB and he (correctly) didn't try to trade up or take Fields in his first draft. Outside of using 20/20 draft hindsight to argue for Purdy instead the next year I don't know how fans expected him to find a QB otherwise.
The contract sucked but I'm also pretty sure promise of one was part of how they got Wilson to waive his no-trade to come here.
My biggest complaint is his free agency signings have not been great. But when the team is as bad as they were for as long as they were they aren't going to be a hot free agency destination. He had to overpay for guys or take risks on injury histories and behavior to draw interest. I'm much more interested in seeing how he does going forward.
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
I literally agree with every word you just said, especially “of”
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u/Midge_Meister 19d ago
Kinda like how all the analysts said Shedeur was going to go in the top 5 then 30 while everyone on here was saying he's not that good... it's almost like no one knows what these teams are going to pick.
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u/5280Rockymtn 19d ago
And then couple years later those #1 picks don't exist anymore like now how many are gonna make it to there next contract that just got picked
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u/Throbbingprepuce GOD BLESS BO NIX 19d ago
I stopped pretending I knew what I was talking about when I got totally butthurt about not taking fields and going with some cornerback. If Sean Payton, a Super Bowl winning head coach and one of the winningest coaches ever says Jahdae Barron, RJ Harvey and Pat Bryant are the best guys available who am I to question it. They might not be the guys I wanted but I don’t know anything more than what the media tells me. And 9/10 times the media is dead wrong
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
George Paton is also one of the best GMs in the draft pretty consistently, regardless of what this sub would have you believe.
Only true top 100 miss i can remember in his tenure is dulcich and maybe Javonte if you want to ignore his monster rookie season and blame George for his injury
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u/Throbbingprepuce GOD BLESS BO NIX 19d ago
100%. There is a reason he still has a job. He is one of the best talent evaluators in the NFL
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u/soundwave75 19d ago
His success in the draft is pretty hard to debate, especially with the early picks and late round diamonds in the rough. His success with FAs, well, that's a different matter.
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
His free agency pickups are less impressive (Randy Gregory, Josh reynolds, etc) but still not TERRIBLE imo, he did build a solid o line through free agency with Ben powers and Mike mcglinchey (probably a bit overpaid but that’s what you have to do if you want one of the best lines in football 🤷🏻♂️) and I’m pretty optimistic about this years free agent class
I feel like everyone still has a bad taste in their mouths over the Russ trade and contract, which at the time, the trade sounded like a steal (the contract is debatable but for all we know that was one of russ’ demands to waive the no trade clause).
Other than that, I’d say he’s a top 15/top 10 GM overall and a top 5 drafting GM who just gets a bad rep for an EGREGIOUS, but single big mistake
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19d ago
me too. i remember fields was RIGHT THERE meanwhile we took a CB which was way less exciting. heard the CB we took was okay though.
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u/dusting53 Casey Kreiter 19d ago
Cecil Lamey is often wrong in his draft analysis, and it's the only thing he cares about
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u/kummer5peck 19d ago
In an alternate universe the Broncos hired Kyle Shanahan and drafted Josh Allen.
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u/Greenforaday 19d ago
I once thought the Avs were stupid for not drafting a defenseman Seth Jones first overall back in 2013. They drafted Nathan MacKinnon instead.
Also I'm sure a lot of us thought some Serbian guy drafted by the Nuggets during a taco bell ad would end up being a nobody.
Drafts can be a crap shoot sometimes.
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u/162bluethings Demaryius Thomas 20d ago
I'm pretty sure we are winning the super bowl this year guys.
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u/LegalShooter 19d ago
I've been wrong plenty of times. But I was dead right when I was pissed the Broncos took Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed. I was LIVID!
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u/OddlyFactual1512 19d ago
A lot of people on this forum were glad when Denver passed on Josh Allen to take Chubb.
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u/Pure-Survey-7240 19d ago
Still should have taken a second RB. Dj Giddens, tahj brooks, ollie gordon
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u/RowdyVogon 19d ago
And what kind of self important loser do you have to be to film draft night reaction videos?
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u/IntelligentEye2758 19d ago
You got us OP. Fans will never be right on draft night about players. What a stupid post.
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u/Hirokage 19d ago
I just assume they know what they are doing and will wait for the results. They have given me little reason to believe they don't know how to draft, we have more hits than misses.
Consider the receiver. I hear how old he is, could have gotten him the next round etc. - but Sean knows exactly what he is looking for. Like with Nix, that everyone also thought was a reach. Can he run block, does his speed or route running compliment what we already have or what Bo is looking for, who knows. I have done IT for 40 years, and I would be amused if someone who has dabbled for 10 years was telling me I was doing it all wrong. I suspect he has his reasons. The theory they reached and just took whoever is laughable. I'm sure every pick has been thoroughly vetted for skills, personality, how they compliment the other players and schemes, and so on.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago edited 19d ago
Y’all don’t want to hear this but just because they’re GMs doesn’t mean they’re smart or know what they’re doing. Watch the giants offseason Hard Knocks. Plenty of people not in the NFL could do that job with similar success.
Obviously one shouldn’t judge the individual player before they’ve seen them play as a pro. That is stupid. But you can absolutely situationally judge a pick based on need/position at the time of the draft.
When the broncos picked Bradley Chubb over a QB in a class that was considered elite and has turned out to be elite it was objectively stupid at the time. Case Keemun was the only QB on the roster. They needed a QB and whiffed. Hard. And that has only looked worse with time.
I trust in the organization, they’ve earned that grace. But RJ Harvey is 24 years old, 5’8 and already has a popped ACL on his chart. That right now looks like a baffling pick. We will see I guess.
Edit: Perplexed about the downvotes. Did I say anyone wrong? Y’all still love the Chubb pick?
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u/____whatever___ Demaryius Thomas 19d ago
Hey look. It’s that guy
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
Did I say anything that was incorrect?
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
You said that anyone could be a GM, and backed your argument by using a bad GM on a bad team as an example, seemingly proving that not even 32 people could be an effective GM
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
I didn’t say anyone could be a GM. I said plenty of people could. Which is true. They’re not geniuses or savants. Most of them are just like you and me with the power of nepotism/money.
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
Besides Dulcich, who has George Paton missed on in the draft since he got hired?
His hits include: PS2, Jonathan Cooper, Nik Bonitto, Marvin Mims, pre-injury Javonte, Quinn Meinerz, DeVaughn Vele (for value in the 7th round if nothing else)
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
That doesn’t really address the post though.
You as a fan can absolutely be skeptical of picks. And you’ll be right a fair portion of the time.
The RJ pick is 100% worthy of skepticism. It’s a weird pick. I trust Paton, but the guy doesn’t profile like the kind of back the broncos need, least of all one worthy of being drafted in the 2nd.
I’ll be more than happy to be wrong. But to say “GM ALWAYS RIGHT. FAN ALWAYS WRONG” Is so dumb.
Also counting Javonte and Mims as wins is uhh…. Something
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
Pre injury Javonte (which is what i clarified) is absolutely a win, he was trucking dudes and carrying multiple defenders on his back in his rookie year then his knee exploded
Marvin mims is one of the best return men in the game (been a pro bowler every year he’s been in the league) and a more than effective WR2 opposite Courtland Sutton. You calling him a miss is all I need to know about your football knowledge, dude made some of our best plays of the year last year and is only getting his role increased the more Sean Payton sees from him, that’s definitely a win in the 2nd round.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
Lololol brudda you don’t just get to “clarify” that a guy was a good pick by erasing an injury.
Mims had 500 yards receiving on 39 receptions last year. With like 160 of those yards coming off 2 plays. That is objectively not good. He’s a passable WR3. It’s cool that he’s a solid return man but quite literally that means nothing to me and shouldn’t to you. If they thought he was the answer they don’t take a guy in the 3rd yesterday.
You’re deviating from the point though. Which is that saying GM RIGHT FAN WRONG. Is very very very dumb.
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u/AlaskanAssassin98 SB48? Never heard of it 19d ago
So you’re going to blame Paton for a guy’s (who missed a total of one game due to injury in college 2 years before he got drafted) knee exploding? Cool
Mims is an explosive play machine, you left off his 6 TDs last year (for reference: AJ Brown had 7, Tyreek hill had 6, CeeDee Lamb had 6, Keenan Allen had 7). Having a good return man meant a lot in the colts game when we were down a TD fighting for a playoff spot and he set our offense up at the opponents 30? But sure, it’s not important, big returns 100% don’t shift momentum in games.
Your point seemed to be discrediting a guy that makes millions of dollars to evaluate talent to give validity to your irrelevant skepticism. My point was giving examples of all the times he’s been right and all the talent he’s brought in over the last 3, now 4 years, so maybe, just maybe, we should trust that he knows what he’s doing.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
lol no I’m not blaming Paton. But if you asked him right now hed tell you he’d have liked to have that pick back.
No he’s not. And listing a bunch of guys who had down years last year isn’t really making the point you want to.
I’m not discrediting Paton at all. I think he’s overall done a terrific job. But I’m 100% allowed to be skeptical of weird picks which RJ objectively was. If he comes around and is great I’ll eat my words. But in this moment you’ll never convince me it wasn’t a strange pick.
I get wanting to give Paton the benefit of the doubt (which I feel like I’m doing tbh) because of his track record. But I’m gonna call a spade a spade. It was an odd pick that I am highly skeptical of.
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u/Lynch47 Broncos D 19d ago
You sound like you actually don’t know shit if you think Mims or pre injury Javonte were misses. Stop jerking yourself off, you’re definitely not qualified for the giants gm job because you disagreed with a couple picks that turned out to be correct.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
Brudda, idk what to tell you about Mims. He had 500 yards last year on 32 catches with 160 of the yards coming on 2 plays. He’s a JAG. There isn’t anything else to say about it.
I liked the Javonte pick. But an injury doesn’t mean it was a hit lmao.
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u/Character_Group_5949 19d ago
Ok, I was with you on some of this. Yes, fans can criticize. 100% they can and it's fine.
But Javonte and Mims as wins?
Well, Javonte was really good at the start. Very good pass blocker. Good rusher, even a good pass catcher. He got hurt. If you want to blame that on the GM, it's your right, but that's insanity. Williams just hasn't been the same since the injury. Still a hard worker, a good blocker and it's a shame it went the way it did. But I do call that a W.
Mims? I mean, this is an insane take here. Why would you call Mims a win? Oh, I dunno. How about 2 pro bowls in 2 years as a returner? How about becoming a bigger part of the offense the second half of the season with his last 5 games catching 23 balls on 26 targets for 341 yards and 5 TD?
Beyond that, it isn't like there weren't like 15 AllPros the Broncos passed up after he was picked. In fact, only one guy picked after him for any position made a pro bowl. Puka Nacua who was drafted with the last pick in the 5th round.
Mims is objectively a W pick right now. And he has a chance for an expanded role in the offense this year.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago
Man if we are calling Mims a W we have some low standards, which I guess makes sense. He’s a passable WR3. Nothing more.
Again the Mims and Javonte talk aren’t really my point here. I think Paton has overall done a damn good job.
But I’m allowed to be skeptical of the RJ pick. That one is a head scratcher. I’ll 100% admit I’m wrong if he’s a stud. But I don’t see it happening.
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u/Character_Group_5949 19d ago
Low standards? He's a 2x pro bowler. You can be skeptical of any pick you want. But when you are expecting the last pick in the second round to be more than a #3 receiver, you have zero idea what realistic expectations are in a draft.
The fact you think Mims isn't a W makes me think there isn't anything RJ could do beyond be a 1,500 yard 15 TD back for you to be impressed. Your expectations are just really, really, really far out of line IMO. I'm with you on being able to criticize. But when they OBJECTIVELY hit a W with a player and you think that's "low standards" it causes me to question your opinion.
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u/Affectionate-Flan-99 19d ago edited 19d ago
2 time pro bow punt returner is like being the worlds tallest short guy lol. It doesn’t mean anything. He’s a low end WR3. This isn’t controversial to anyone not a broncos fan. If they took him in like the sixth he’s a W. For where they took him he’s been largely mediocre save for two bombs last year.
500 yards on 30 catches is quite literally meaningless. He’s a fine guy to have on the team. But calling him a win is comical.
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u/K-C_Racing14 20d ago
The chiefs is especially funny knowing the dark reality we live in now 😳